posted on October 11, 2000 10:12:43 PM
Could it be that since Yahoo! finally decided to have more guts than eBay and demanded that everyone present a credit card for account verification, that all the deadbeats and troublemakers reigning freely over there vanished to eBay which doesn't require credit card verification? I've heard that Yahoo!'s bids are way down, but I can imagine that only the serious bidders were left. If this thought I mentioned is true, then eBay is destined to become the new Playground for jerks.
posted on October 11, 2000 11:06:38 PM
Antimatter is matter composed of elementary particles that are the opposite of ordinary particles. These opposite particles are called antiparticles. An antiparticle exactly resembles its corresponding ordinary particle in every property except its charge, which is reversed. For example, an electron is an ordinary particle that has a negative electric charge. Its antiparticle, a positron, exactly resembles it except that a positron carries a positive electric charge. In addition, antiparticles combine in the same way that ordinary particles do. For example, an antineutron may combine with an antiproton and so form an antideuteron, the nucleus of an antideuterium atom. Given this, it is easy to see why we have an increase in deadbeats.....Any questions?
posted on October 12, 2000 07:22:37 AM
Hmmm . . . seems as though the idea of verification has brought unpleasant images to the minds of some Sellers. I wonder why that is . . . ?
posted on October 12, 2000 07:29:31 AM
But, anyone can get a credit card these days. One of my friend's sons, who is a minor (!), received an invitation for a VISA card from a large company that sends the junk mail out for these things, he applied using a bogus birthdate, and got a VISA card!
Now he can bid all he wants on Yahoo
Requiring a credit card to bid does not guarantee that deadbeats will disappear. What difference does it make if a deadbeat has a card or not? Yahoo, eBay, and that ilk cannot charge a person's card because they are a deadbeat (can they???)
posted on October 12, 2000 07:44:27 AM
Hmmm . . . lesee: you purchase a $25,000 burglar alarm system for your home or business. That will screen out the vast majority of amatures. Will it stop every thief? Nope. The real Pros - whom you can't do anything about, will walk through your security anyway.
Question: because a few determined Pros may be able to get through your security system, should you advocate no security system whasoever?
posted on October 12, 2000 07:48:54 AM
Another nice thing Yahoo has to protect sellers is the minimum feedback option. I set mine at 3, which elimates all aol deadbeats that has 0. eBay wants all the deadbeats they get because more deadbeats=more fees. While we are waiting for this so called 10 day period, all ebay is doing during this time is collecting intrest on our money.
posted on October 12, 2000 07:53:52 AM
Borillar - Not at all
You're preaching to the converted - I have been involved in fire safety for the past 30 years and I hate hearing the words "it'll never happen to me so why worry about it."
However, to get back on topic, I do not believe the requirement for bidders to have a credit card will have any significant effect on the number of deadbeats. There has to be some other way to reduce this problem ... I just don't know what that way is. Even if eBay created a policy whereby deadbeats were NARU'd, it would be still be one person's word against another's ("prove to eBay that I didn't pay you".
Hopefully, this problem, and many others on eBay will be resolved when "The Judge Pierre" show starts on FOX next spring
posted on October 12, 2000 07:59:10 AM
Not at all. Yahoo has lost lots of good bidders. Deadbeats still abound. Anyone who enjoys hurting total strangers for fun, also knows where to get CC numbers to register their fake IDs. Now if Yahoo would verify those CCs and make sure that the name and address used to create the ID matched that of the CC, it might be a different story. http://www.ygoodman.com [email protected]
posted on October 12, 2000 09:51:16 AM
Am I missing something?
Ladt time I checked, you had to place C.C. on file with eBay in order to register.
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posted on October 12, 2000 10:04:54 AM
You only have to place a credit card on file if you are a seller or if you are registering through a "free email" service like Hotmail. However, there are tons of free email service that are not in eBay's databse, so its very easy for pranksters to set up completely bogus accounts.
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posted on October 12, 2000 10:10:12 AM
RB, what you say is true. It's way to easy to get a credit card. I remember reading about a guy who got solicited for a credit card on some kind of form he was filling out. He marked 'maybe later'. In a few weeks he received a new credit card with the name Maube Later on it.
posted on October 12, 2000 10:21:36 AM
Even if eBay created a policy whereby deadbeats were NARU'd, it would be still be one person's word against another's ("prove to eBay that I didn't pay you"
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That seems pretty easy to solve. The person who claims he or she paid must provide proof of payment. You can't prove a negative ("I never got the check" but you CAN prove that you sent one, and that it was cashed. Or, in the case of a money order, a receipt, or if you paid via PayPal or some other service, a copy of your transaction. About the only payment method that leaves no trail at all is cash, and anybody who would pay for an auction of more than a couple of bucks with cash is just nuts.
posted on October 12, 2000 10:34:16 AM
Sonsie ...... I have lots of folks send me cash in the mail, most of them are International bidders. I once had an American send me a $100 bill in the mail, go figure?
As far as CC registrations cutting down on deadbeats ..............
There's a large volume seller on eBay that sells in the Adult area [that area requires a CC to bid] I remember him commenting that shortly after eBay forced the Adult buyers to register with a CC that not only did the overall bids drop, but that the deadbeat numbers remained the same, and for some sellers, they increased.
He was warning sellers who are Pro CC verification that if eBay was to implement CC verification across the site, that those sellers better be ready for an overall decline in bids.
Not everyone has a CC, and for those that do, not all of them trust eBay with that info on the eBay servers.
Can't say as I blame them, ever read eBay's Privacy Policy?
If I was a buyer only, I wouldn't want my CC # on eBay's servers, or Yahoo's, or any of the other online auction sites.
posted on October 12, 2000 01:17:21 PM
Pros and cons of credit card verification aside, I think there may be some truth to Borillar's theory. Perhaps all the more reason to list items at Yahoo first. This month I've had a record number of deadbeats, over 50. eBay offers no protection to sellers. Any NARU'ed user can create a new account in minutes.
posted on October 12, 2000 01:30:41 PM
I suppose now that Ebay has condoned shilling (you've all been reading staff posts on the T&S boards, right?), we could all start shilling our auctions in order to maximize our profits from those bidders who do pay us.........
posted on October 12, 2000 05:54:41 PM
I'll bet its true that if filing either a valid credit card or bank account information was necessary for all users, that some folks won't go for it.
While determined teenage criminals may get false credit cards to cause trouble with, if they can, they already have them. The difference is, is that doing so is a misdemenor; whereas now, what they do nothing can be done about.
But just because some teenagers are more criminally minded, does that mean that we shouldn't screen out the other 99% of deadbeats and jerks? Requiring a credit card for new sellers hasn't totally stopped fraudulant selling, but it has slowed it down. I think that would likely be the case for all-users verification.
posted on October 12, 2000 06:41:50 PM
Fact the credit card verification for bidder will only really hold off the honest bidders who wont use there Credit card numbers on line .
Today you can open checking accounts for $50 to $100 and in 10 days the debit card will come in the mail for that checking account that debit card is all it takes to register you to bid or sell.
any teen with that kinda money and a SS # can open a checking account. I sell lots on yahoo since they put this policy in place my auction views and bidding is down 98% in 51 days I have had 3 bid two of these were dead beats these were the frist two dead beats I have had on yahoo since last winter go figure.
not only bidding is down on yahoo but veiws are two last month I had 127 listings up there and a total of 43 veiws the whole month.
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