radh
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posted on January 28, 2001 07:07:47 PM new
If you're interested state YES; then give a date you'd prefer the $100 dues be remitted; and share what you want for the LAUNCH DATE.
Thank YOU.
1) YES
2) April 1, 2001
3) October 31, 2001
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packer
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posted on January 28, 2001 07:22:10 PM new
radh,
Do you suppose you could recap what this is all about so that when newcomers open this thread they will have a CLUE!
YES!
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radh
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posted on January 28, 2001 07:27:22 PM new
Just read the messagethread started by abacaxi, entitled The dilemma of FREE auction sites.
We've been discussing the viability of forming a seller-owned, seller-run CO-OPERATIVE marketplace.
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fountainhouse
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posted on January 28, 2001 07:33:02 PM new
Previous thread: http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=318885
1. YES
2. April 1 is fine
3. This shouldn't be an arbitrary date as it's contingent on a lot of different factors
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jmjones6061
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posted on January 28, 2001 07:45:53 PM new
I'll throw my hat in - but can we make the dues in two payments? (just to make it easier?).
Also, my RL job is as a systems analyst - so I am volunteering to consult - I also work with some very talented programmers, so I could probably run ideas past them if necessary.
Jane
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yadda36
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:07:14 PM new
1. YES
2. April 1, 2001
3. And I agree.....This shouldn't be an arbitrary date as it's contingent on a lot of different factors
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loosecannon
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:13:26 PM new
Good luck. Let us know if it gets off the ground. If it does I might list a few things. Pay $100.00 up front? To who? And what's in it for me? I don't have the time to go through a 200+ post thread to learn details.
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mauimoods
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:35:02 PM new
Im with loosecannon. Can you say what it consists of in laymans terms and alittle detail of what its about.
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loosecannon
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:43:37 PM new
maui
By just reading a few posts it looks like they're throwing around some ideas. I agree with what magazine_guy said on page 7 of the thread. Easy to talk about, difficult to implement. Again, good luck with it.
I also agree with magazine_guy's take that when and if the real work begins most will disappear and leave the work to a very few. Human nature.
[ edited by loosecannon on Jan 28, 2001 08:50 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:46:19 PM new
Co-op auction/marketplace with more control over the management by members instead of the direction eBay is going. Worth reading about more than most of the cute threads like and.......
YES
April $ is fine. Launch when the wizards can do it. Let them name a date.
contact [email protected] if I don't see more here from time to time.
[ edited by gravid on Jan 28, 2001 08:48 PM ]
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mauimoods
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:48:07 PM new
Yeah, I went and read the other thread. Sounds like a good idea so far, but there is one thing that needs to be taken into consideration. Having sellers will be no problem....Golds had them, Yahoo had them, Edeal, Ehammer, nobidding....what the problem was, there were no BIDDERS. They are all at ebay. How to find the bidders and compete against ebay? Advertising. And that costs BUNCHES.
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gravid
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:56:21 PM new
maui - EOA
Congrats on winning this auction.
Send mucho bucks to this place.
Thanks for your bids.
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sellerID x on eBay - sellerID xy on Yahoo
sellerID xyz on Rco-op.com
That's a start.
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mauimoods
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:02:57 PM new
I guess Im already in the game then, because I started a referal site on my website, sending my customers to fellow sellers who are online friends of mine, and vice versa...over 500 visitors have hit that referal site too, all via our listing descriptions and EOA's
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radh
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:20:13 PM new
You might notice by the title of the messagethread in question, that the subject veered off and into a discussion upon the viability, or lack thereof, of forming a SELLER-owned, SELLER-run Cooperative online marketplace.
Now......... past that one sentence, there are LOTS of differing views & opinions.
And then some posters on page 7 wanted a poll to learn if there is *any* interest, whatsoever here, not necessarily a "groundswell" of support, or anything, among the AW regulars, and thus this "poll" thread.
I imagine, however, that MOST of the details and MOST of the action will probably be taking place behind the shield of email, and I understand why sellers would be hesitant to identify themselves publically.
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stockticker
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:29:07 PM new
1. YES
2. April 1 is fine
3. October is fine (if feasible) - my sales tend to suck over summer
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twinsoft
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:52:28 PM new
Hi, Radh. I want to relay a couple of things. I had a chat with Jamie and he suggested a 30-day time frame. He also suggested a $100 initiation fee to be held in escrow. Those who pay the fee will get to be on the planning committee. This needs to be a group of committed individuals. Another point that came up is whether if we wait too long, the planning committee (that is, folks who sent $100) will end up being huge and we be stuck back in discussion mode. I like Jamie's suggestion, and I'm giving it extra weight because it was the first suggestion we begin to move forward. It may be that we can form a small, motivated planning committee within a month.
The International Co-operative Alliance provides all the documents we'll need: http://www.wisc.edu/uwcc/icic/orgs/ica/index.html.
The Co-op Home Page is here: http://www.cooperative.org/dates.cfm
All the information we need is already on the Web.
GratefulDad
About Me
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radh
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:56:25 PM new
thanks! some of those edu sites can't be beat!
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musicman1313
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posted on January 28, 2001 10:03:27 PM new
You guys may already know about this, but this site:
http://www.everysoft.com
Has a free open-sourced auction script that would probably be a good start for the co-op site. For some money, they also have a Pro version that accomodates many more users. I am not affliated with this site in any way! I was just impressed with the software when I got it set up.
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nycrocker
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posted on January 28, 2001 10:21:20 PM new
Count me in,
Rocker
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quickdraw29
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posted on January 28, 2001 11:49:45 PM new
If there's not a $5 million dollar advertising budget count me out.
I hope the best for this co-op though. The best part of is the one time fee, or even a yearly fee would be great. But without buyers it all means nothing.
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dave_michmerhuizen
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posted on January 28, 2001 11:56:23 PM new
I've been moving my items off yahoo (and ebay) into a Shoporium shop. I thought about doing the work to bring up my own site, but decided that this was more cost effective. After all, time is money.
Set prices, unlimited listing, $17.50 a month. I plan on marketing it through whatever ebay auctions I continue to run. I figure that if it doesn't pan out, it's worth the try.
It might be worth a look-see for you all - www.shoporium.com
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twinsoft
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posted on January 29, 2001 12:14:28 AM new
If we're talking about a planning committee, then there are some individuals who absolutely must be aboard. I can think of Toyranch, Rosalinda, Magazine_Guy, Glenda and probably others whose help is essential. They all have access to huge resources. We should make every effort to get them involved, preferably in the planning stages. (I would pay Glenda $100 to volunteer!) I'd really value KRS' input if he can behave himself.
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deco100
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posted on January 29, 2001 12:28:48 AM new
IN
4/2/01 (not 4/1 bad omen)
Whenever able, Oct 1 would be nice to get in on the holiday season.
Just a small seller, but could probably get up 100-200 listings to start with.
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swoose
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posted on January 29, 2001 02:32:35 AM new
I'm ready. April 1st seems too early to get this off the ground, but if you can swing it I'll pay the $100 and list with you. There should be some ground rules for acceptance into the co-op though. (I still wish AuctionWatch would start their own auction site).
Email me with details at [email protected].
Susan (swoose on eBay)
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twinsoft
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posted on January 29, 2001 02:45:34 AM new
Hey, Dave! That Shoporium.com site is really excellent!
[ edited by twinsoft on Jan 29, 2001 02:46 AM ]
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donbene
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posted on January 29, 2001 03:49:36 AM new
I have been following the main thread on this topic. I didn't post because most of my views and ideas were already expressed by others. The thread was long enough without more "me too" posts. (No offense intended to anyone).
I do think this is a good idea and it is worth pursuing. The co-op model and buying or working with an existing auction site, or starting a new one sounds right to me.
IMO it is a mistake to require a $100 payment to be on the planning committee. It is easy to throw in some money but doing that does not demonstrate anything other than financial commitment. There are many people that could make valuable contributions to the planning efforts but are unwilling or unable to make a financial commitment up front.
Also, if I understand the general ideas from the discussion correctly, this is a grassroots movement for auction sellers in general and intended to include and benefit most if not all of them. Excluding some at the start isn't in keeping with that idea.
Sure you may start with a large group who wants to be on the planning committee and this may slow things down at the start but soon leaders will emerge, those who aren't truly committed will drop out, and you will have a small group of truly committed individuals. My guess is that the task of rounding up the $100 contributors and collecting the money will take as long or longer than starting with an open group.
The first planning meeting for the OAUA had about 50 attendees, if I remember correctly. There were about 35 at the next. There were about 20 after a month and only a dozen or so that were truly committed and willing to do the work. Another organization planning group I was involved in followed the same pattern.
When money is required for small startup expenses, you can pass the hat or individuals can pick up small expenses and be reimbursed later. Alternately, optional $100(or $??) contributions could form a pool of money to be used for these expenses.
Don
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abacaxi
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posted on January 29, 2001 04:25:15 AM new
RADH:
Your practice of denigrating this idea by repeatedly using baby talk when you describe it is getting DAMNED INSULTING!!
Please take it seriously and use a grown up vocabulary. If you find the idea ludicrous, please start another thread for jeering the concept ... or I will start a thread for the REAL discussion and ask that you stay out of it.
*************
Rushing to launch with non-existent or buggy software and no site design agreed upon is recipe for disaster.
SLOW DOWN ... First you get the members who are interested enough to GAMBLE their time and money (not a lot of money, but if they have a financial stake in this they will be more willing to work at it) that decides on the features the co-op wants the software to have, locate the software WITH THE FEATURES (or a programmer to adapt or write those features into new or existing software) and then you figure out how long it will take to THOROUGHLY test those features ...... then you design the look and feel of the site ....... and you locate the hosting and the hardware ....... and you plan the launch strategy and advertising ..... and you load the site with goodies for sale (every member should put up at least 50 really good items, more if possible, in all price ranges) ........ AND THEN you announce the doors are open to buyers. And somewhere in there you write up the bylaws and incorporate the co-op
MAUIMOODS and QUICKDRAW:
"How to find the bidders and compete against ebay? Advertising. And that costs BUNCHES." "If there's not a $5 million dollar advertising budget count me out"
... there are lower cost ways to attract bidders than the eBay glitzy ad agency prime-time TV ads.
swoose -
One ground rule: SELLER ID Verification! Second ground rule: Obey the bylaws or you get suspended. Repeat violaters get booted. Permanently.
The rest of the rules are called "By-Laws" and get voted on by the members, changed by the members, or cancelled by the members.
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granee
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posted on January 29, 2001 04:33:47 AM new
It should be obvious from my posts on the other thread that I'm IN. I'll take whatever date I can get! (February, March, April, May, June, July......)
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deco100
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posted on January 29, 2001 05:09:22 AM new
I didn't get the impression that the $100 was for being on the planning committee. Some of us don't have the moxie for a lot of the tasks but would still be interested in helping in any way.
The money,IMHO would be a base for software, hardware and advertising. Lots of moola needed, maybe an "angel" will come forward. Well, I can dream....
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snowyegret
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posted on January 29, 2001 05:26:18 AM new
Pages that might be of interest about the basic principles of a sucessful coop
http://mondragon.mcc.es/ingles/principios.html
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