posted on March 31, 2001 06:48:51 AM new
They seem to come along in groups. Last August I had a bunch. Then they thinned out and didn't visit for quite a while. Almost no NPB's again until this March, when again I have a gaggle.
posted on March 31, 2001 06:53:39 AM new
I've had about 10 since February, with another 2 on the horizon right now. 99% of them have decent feedback, always respond to the original EOA notice, and then never send payment. I've never seen it this bad.
posted on March 31, 2001 07:08:53 AM new
Same thing going on here. I have one who is a seller with high feedback. He only has one neutral for not paying. He does have some positives with comments like finally came through. He seems to have a habit of slow pay. He bids on lots of things and at this stage I'm not that patient. I already issued a NPBA and I'm curious to see what he does. I think because he's a seller with a good reputation people are letting him get away with it and not issuing NPBA's. I also have a few other stragglers.
I'm so glad they have the edit feature for times like this when the coffee hasn't kicked in yet!
posted on March 31, 2001 07:14:28 AM new
Hope somebody sees this in this thread as my question kinda fits here...
Can feedback be left for the second highest bidder? Ebay confuses me with their rules and changes and I have never had this situation before.
If I offer the item to the second highest bidder and they want it, can feedback then be left on that transaction?
Last NPB I had, I filed for FVF and relisted the item. Ebay charged me another relist fee
So this time I offered it to the second highest bidder. Now am wondering the rules on feedback when you do it this way.
I try to find my answers at ebay but wander around over there for long periods of time, get lost, and rarely find my answers. Feel like a country bumpkin trying to find my way around NYC when I go over there.
I believe that the system is such that only the high bidder can receive a feedback. The system needs a transaction number and that exists between the seller and high bidder only, if I'm not mistaken.
posted on March 31, 2001 07:42:57 AM new
The power of retalitory negs are overestimated. I've left about 25 negs. Only got two in return, plus two neutrals.
Not exactly a back-breaker proposition. I doubt that it's hurt me at all, except for my blood pressure.
But that's another story. No arguements from me today.
Do what thou wilt. No biggie. Good luck to you too.
posted on March 31, 2001 07:48:30 AM new
thanks, loosecannon and dubyasdaman. et al
This is unbelievable!! loosecannon, don't want to get your thread OT cause it's a good one, but please let me b**ch a little
Went to my mail after I posted this and found an email from the NPB that he mailed a check yesterday ^&*%$#*!
The second highest bidder already has a check in the mail also.
I don't mind negging someone to let all of you know - hey guys, here's a deadbeat. But I do mind ebay charging me to do it, when they charge the relist fee.
I am so S I C K of the rules that make no sense. I never realized in the 25+ years I was a dealer "out here" how easy it was compared to this crap. A lot more work to do it this way, a lot more aggravation and costs a lot more money to make a lot less.
%^&*&^*. Furthermore, I used to feel like an adult with my own business (had to close the shop due to age and health). With all these #$%&^%%$ rules and the posts I see on here, feel like a grade schooler now that will get reprimanded or put on detention if I don't know all of the silly, d*** rules that make no sense.
Back to the topic, there are surely so many more deadbeats from a year ago and before. Used to be like occasionally a fly (deadbeat) found its way into the house. Now like a whole swarm of 'em.
This old lady's cussin'
Thnx again for the help/answer I needed. Really appreciate it.
You can't fool me! B**ch is #*!@ with two **. See, not much gets by me.
I agree, it's more work to sell this way, but it's also more rewarding.
Some of the things I sell for good $$ on ebay I wouldn't have a hope or prayer to sell locally for much if anything, and some of it sure would go over like a lead balloon in an antique mall. Yet, on ebay it sells. Heck, sometimes people fight over it! All right by me.
Also, the mall I used to be in was very good to fantastic most of the time, but charged $150 for a 10 ft. by 7 ft. space for me to hawk my wares. Then, after charging no commission on top, they started charging 4%. Better than some malls that charge 10% for sure, but...it cost me a lot to have my stuff in a mall and I'd be lucky to move 10 or 15% of my stock per month.
The ebay way is better for me. I sell 80% to 90% first time around, with a lot faster turn over.
posted on March 31, 2001 09:24:45 AM new loosecannon
know what you mean, but it worked the exact opposite for me. I specialized in Amish stuff and primitives, high end items. I put the price on the stuff, had a great customer following and low overhead. So this is not rewarding for me.
At first it was fun, tho, cause I always loved junque and couldn't sell it "out here"...would have ruined my "high end" setups and presentations.
Also, if I would have put ebay's fees on the hundreds and hundreds of items with the amounts I charged for them, I'd have to file a Chapter 7 to pay the ebay bill My overhead was MUCH lower "out here".
Was fun at first..things changed...fun no more. At my age, with what year(s) I may have left I don't want to spend the time with all the deadbeats, rules that make no sense, so much work for so little and big time aggravation...so I cut way back on how many auctions I run months ago.
Back to the topic of deadbeats...in over 25+ years as a dealer "out here" selling to people from all over the world..not just the US, I only ever got one bad check!! So I am just too durn old or - as the lawn guy just told me when I complained about his prices, "lady, you are from another era" (true) to handle it like you young 'uns
Hope some more sellers post about deadbeats re ebay, their experiences, how it is affecting them and what they do about it. It's not only interesting, informative, but also reflects the changes taking place re the "new breed" of buyers.
posted on March 31, 2001 09:49:43 AM new
This year I have had more NPB's but like I recently stated it was mostly in my giftware category. I have had more slow payers this year in the antiques and collectibles but all of them finally paid. There was never a lot of money involved so I didn't get upset. I just hate the ones that lie over and over and then never send payment at all.
I know what you mean, aramatha. When you have your own business you become very independent and follow your own instincts and rules. Now with ebay the rules change now and again and it is like you are working for someone else at times.
But loosecannon is right on when he mentions the money that certain items bring compared to when they sit in a shop. The overhead is very high for our shop and at times I am tempted to sell it. I find it difficult to do auctions, online storefronts and also handle my RL store. Sooner or later I will have to make a decision. But at the moment I still love doing it all.
posted on March 31, 2001 10:38:21 AM new
For all of you with NPB's, be sure to check if they are AOL members. AOL's has been dumping so many emails the past month, that perhaps many AOL'ers never got your end of auction notice. I re-sent about a 100 emails to AOL members over the past week for prior auctions that have been unpaid as of yet. Many have replied stating that they never got my first message and was wondering what had happened. Might be worth a check.
posted on March 31, 2001 10:45:17 AM new
I had to stop using my aol account because either my sellers or buyers weren't getting the email or I wouldn't be receiving the mail from them. Hotmail is bad for that too. Hotmail lets in all the spam and doesn't allow me to receive the email I want. I've stopped using them too.
posted on March 31, 2001 10:46:27 AM new
If something like that happened, then I think it's also the bidder's responsibility to try and contact the seller.
BTW, one guy who won two auctions miraculously came around and emailed me when I said in my last email "last chance before negative feedback".
Of course he was "out of town for two weeks due to illness and death of a family member". I guess it could have happened, but that's the normal excuse, isn't it?
[ edited by loosecannon on Mar 31, 2001 10:51 AM ]
posted on March 31, 2001 11:46:58 AM new
I've had a ton of NPB this year. Right now, I've got about 10 auctions that closed 2 weeks ago, that I haven't recieved payment on. the other 20 have been paid & sent. I'm losing my patience. I am filing NPB's tomorrow. That will be 2 weeks. Plenty of time for a check to make it anywhere in the USA. 10 days after that, FVF. I know it sounds harsh, but I'm tired of taking the buyer's hand and leading them through the process. I'm also tired of begging for payment. NPBs get the point across.
posted on April 1, 2001 05:19:40 AM new
During the month of March 2001, I have had six bidders become unregistered users for not paying other sellers. This has to be a recorded amount. It has become so bad, I am now sending out alerts day 15 on each and every bidder, repeat customers etc. I even been giving out negs to the Jan deadbeats. I figure 1/3 to 1/4 of my sales have vanished in thin air by these bidders that "bid way over their head." Ebay's reply was just cancel bids from them. If I knew in advance I would of. Guess it is time to get bidders verfied?
Will be filing more alerts day 15, no matter what heard from bidder or not, 11 days later will be filing for final fee's then will be negging at day 30 from now on. Head up deadbeats, your days are numbered.
posted on April 1, 2001 10:02:01 AM new
If ebay were to require verification (like yahoo did) then sales would plummet because many don't use credit cards. Also, since ebay uses equifax to verify sellers now, that would wipe out a lot of people who have moved within the past 12 years or don't have a phone in their name (like me). My dad has lived in the same place since I was 12 and when his address and telephone # was typed in for the verification it came up error that the telephone # was wrong. He has never changed his phone number.
And I had more deadbeats on yahoo AFTER their verification process, so it obviously does no good. All you get is a verified deadbeat.
