sasoony
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posted on May 3, 2001 03:04:29 PM
90%+ of my non-paying bidders are AOL accounts with zero feedback.
What good does it do to block these bidders who just create another bogus AOL identity?
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jlb444
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posted on May 3, 2001 03:45:08 PM
Same here! Two this week one was bidding on a lot of Mint in Box Rainbow Brite dolls and I wonder if she ever paid anyone certainly not me! The only other non paid for item this week was also an AOL bidder. Got to wonder why? Because they can change their ids so easily? They are kids doing it? I think all AOL bidders should have to have a credit card and verified address with Ebay to even bid on an item.
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sasoony
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posted on May 3, 2001 04:33:52 PM
No problem here with AOL accounts that have established feedback, but eBay should be well aware that 90+% of the shill bidding, scams, etc. are done with bogus AOL identities.
If eBay was serious about preventing this ILLEGAL activity they would offer sellers the option of blocking bidders with zero or negative feedback.
The current eBay options for blocking bidders is a joke and nothing more than a token measure, so eBay can claim that they have taken steps to prevent fraud.
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laptopper
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posted on May 3, 2001 04:51:30 PM
Why Ebay continues to NOT require AOL users (if not everyone) to verify each and every ID, is beyond me.
In the course of instituting change after change (needless and otherwise) it's a shame they don't employ something that will decrease the amount of NPB's and shills---which Ebay has become so famous for.
ALL AOL users should be verified. Perhaps ALL users period.
Yes, there will always be problems and ways around verification, but a significant amount of the BS will be eliminated.
Oh, I can here the snappy comebacks from the comedian wannabes: "Oh yeah, well a significant amount of the users will disappear along with the BS".
Wrong. If Ebay cleaned up it's field, you would find that many new users would get involved---users who hear the horror stories and stay away. Requiring verification of all users would help to clean up Ebay's image of being a lawless and dangerous marketplace.
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jlb444
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posted on May 3, 2001 04:57:12 PM
"Requiring verification of all users would help to clean up Ebay's image of being a lawless and dangerous marketplace." I Totally agree! What is the big deal making them use a credit card or....at least verify their address and perhaps phone # before bidding.
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reddeer
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posted on May 3, 2001 04:57:40 PM
I seldom have a problem with AOL users.
And "verifying" users won't do jack sheet.
All the deadbeats that I have ran across over the years, were exactly who they said they were, they still didn't SHOW ME THE MONEY.
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reddeer
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posted on May 3, 2001 05:03:49 PM
Better yet, maybe eBay can set up a program so that those of you that only want verified users bidding on your items, can block non verified users.
The rest of us can take bids from those people that do not want their CC on file with eBay, and also don't want some dip sheet company like Equifax checking out their personal info.
And for those of you that haven't clued in to this little factoid yet, eBay can only verify registered users from the USA.
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uaru
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posted on May 3, 2001 05:13:16 PM
One reason you might have more AOL non-payers is it's the largest ISP in the world. I don't think it's the best ISP by a loooong shot, but they do have a few members. Can you even buy a computer where AOL isn't installed on it?
eBay should be well aware that 90+% of the shill bidding, scams, etc. are done with bogus AOL identities.
I wasn't aware of that. Your source?
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sasoony
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posted on May 3, 2001 05:21:18 PM
"Better yet, maybe eBay can set up a program so that those of you that only want verified users bidding on your items, can block non verified users."
I'm not concerned with bidders that have established feedback. I'm tired of the endless shill bidding and scams from newly registered AOL users with no feedback. These are the bidders, sellers should have the option to block.
Ebay requires hotmail accounts to be verified and ignores the fact that it is just as easy to create bogus IDs using AOL.
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sasoony
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posted on May 3, 2001 07:11:02 PM
"One reason you might have more AOL non-payers is it's the largest ISP in the world."
You can't be this clueless. I havn't had any non-payment problems with AOL IDs who have established feedback.
I receive less than 1 in 10 payments from new AOL ID's with zero feedback.
What part of this do you not understand?
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 4, 2001 12:23:11 AM
It may seem like AOL has more deadbeats simply because there are more AOL users.
I went back two months and noted each deadbeats ISP. (2) AOL; (2)Webtv; (1)Excite; (1)MSN; (1)OWC; (1)Prodigy; (1)Sailormoon.
From the states which were provided, every one came from the east coast and south.
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redskinfan
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posted on May 4, 2001 05:36:01 AM
a lot of bidders don't have a credit card. If they were to require credit cards for everyone then the bids would greatly decline. Yahoo started requiring credit cards and it didn't do anything for eliminating deadbeats, only eliminated bidders. Their seller verification is ridiculous and doesn't work either. My dad tried to get id verified and couldn't because equifax said the phone number didn't match his street address. He's lived in the same residence for 13 years and has never changed his phone number and it's not unlisted. I couldn't get seller verified because I don't have a phone in my name.
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mecheng
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posted on May 4, 2001 04:53:58 PM
Since AOL and eBay have a business relationship ("AOL Presents eBay" , I doubt you'll ever see restrictions placed on AOL users (regardless).
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reamond
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posted on May 4, 2001 04:58:14 PM
eBay also has a marketing relationship with AOL and evidently has cut a deal on allowing AOL ID's to go unchecked.
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mandalore
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posted on May 4, 2001 05:01:58 PM
I agree totally with redskinfan. CC verification is absolutely not a solution to deadbeat problems. If it did become required, business on eBay would be crippled. I was a Yahooer when this became their policy and it killed business. What little business there was! Alot of people are still very leary about registering their CC info online and simply will NEVER do it.
So anyway CC verification is not something we need to be supporting here gang. Trust me......
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