reddeer
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posted on May 4, 2001 09:35:19 AM
My email to Safe Harbor 24 hrs ago.
Hello Safe Harbor Police,
I would normally let this go, but this buyer needs a serious wake up call.
Item # XXXX
Her explanation for the retraction was:
Explanation: just won a pair but so many wanted them good luck
When looking at her feedback, here's what I found.
Bid Retractions - past 7 days 4
Past Month - 26
Past 6 Months 39
I think it's time someone at Safe Harbor gave her chain a serious yank.
Thanks,
Safe Harbor's response:
Hello Neil,
Thank you for writing eBay.
I have investigated your report regarding a member who is misusing the
bid retraction option. I have reviewed the information that you have
provided and have suspended the account.
Thank you for your help.
Regards,
XXX
eBay SafeHarbor
Investigations Team
P.S. Her bid retraction # had risen since I sent the email to SH yesterday.
Yay!
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gs4
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posted on May 4, 2001 10:02:28 AM
Good for you. There are way to many of them pulling this stunt. I have had no luck with S. H. when I turn some of them in. Just the canned answer.
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computerboy
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posted on May 4, 2001 10:04:33 AM
Many thanks, redeer! You did us all a favor!
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zoomin
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posted on May 4, 2001 10:21:45 AM
 Way To Go, REDDEER
I wish my attempts were as successful as yours!
Thanks for the help!
only ZOOMIN here 
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dubyasdaman
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posted on May 4, 2001 10:53:30 AM
Good job. Now if ebaY could just figure out a way to keep them from re-registering again under a false name all would be well.
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zoomin
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posted on May 4, 2001 12:12:42 PM
ain't that the truth, DUBYA!
Let's hope this particular DORK isn't one of the smarter one's!
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reddeer
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posted on May 4, 2001 12:18:35 PM
FYI - This loser had a hotmail account.
Overall profile makeup
Not a Registered User
71 positives. 45 are from unique
users and count toward the final
rating.
Her Bid Retractions when suspended were:
Past 7 days - 30
Past Month - 59
Past 6 Months - 71
She was one busy little beaver!
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sasoony
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:03:33 PM
CONGRATULATIONS!! Now all this bidder has to do is sign up with AOL and create a new account.
The retractions, scams, shill bidding, and non-payers will continue to thrive on eBay until sellers have the option of blocking newly registered bidders with zero or negative feedback.
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Juggheadd
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:04:41 PM
Are these retractions that efected the final bids?
If they werent then whats the big deal?
If they were then nice going 
"The retractions, scams, shill bidding, and non-payers will continue to thrive on eBay until sellers have the option of blocking newly registered bidders with zero or negative feedback."
Now theres a good idea. The established ebay people can play with themselfes only. No new ones allowed.
what a flake
[ edited by Juggheadd on May 4, 2001 01:06 PM ]
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loosecannon
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:12:54 PM
"until sellers have the option of blocking newly registered bidders with zero or negative feedback."
LOL
If that ever does become an option I hope everybody takes "advantage" of it, thereby giving me a huge advantage as a seller.
Most new users aren't mindless dorks, but real customers that spend real money for items they want. They are more than welcome to bid on my stuff.
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tomwiii
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:39:50 PM
That term..."eBay Safe Harbor", alway sends a rush up me spine!
In my mind's eye, I picture some tropical island paradise overflowing with winsome & buxom sirens...arms outstrtched...beckoning to me; ready to enfold my poor ravaged bod in a comforting embrace!
Of course, reality returns when I remember ...eBay! Poof!
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figmente
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:40:39 PM
I wonder whether ebaY would suspend sellers on similiar abuse of bid cancel / early close to hold "virtual reserve" auctions?
That practice bothers me.
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tomwiii
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posted on May 4, 2001 01:41:56 PM
NO...because you're allowed to close auctions at any time for any or NO reason!
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reddeer
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posted on May 4, 2001 02:53:25 PM
Sasoony
This buyer had 71 positives,and also had a Credit Card on file with eBay. [hotmail account]
As you can see, that didn't stop her from being an azzhole.
I've had several deadbeats over the years, but the majority of them had feedback ranging from 20, to 500+.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 4, 2001 03:00:31 PM
POWER TO THE PEOPLE BABY .......!
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sasoony
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posted on May 4, 2001 03:22:17 PM
jugghead; You need to brush up on your reading comprehension before you start calling other people flakes.
The majority of my auctions sell in the $20 to $30 range and there are plenty of auctions where a legitimate bidder can establish their feedback.
But I'm fed up with newly registered bogus bidders messing up my higher priced auctions when they have no intentions of paying. So I would like the OPTION to block these bidders until they have built up some feedback to show that they are legitimate bidders.
I get a kick out of people like yourself that sit at your keyboard calling other people names, because you don't have the courage to stand up to anyone in your everyday life. You are an obvious coward.
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loosecannon
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posted on May 4, 2001 03:24:12 PM
Don't forget groovy, righteous and far out, jumpinjack.
Reddeer
I oughta turn you loose on my lastest retract-a-holic. Not as prolific as yours but bad enough.
[ edited by loosecannon on May 4, 2001 03:27 PM ]
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toke
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posted on May 4, 2001 03:46:09 PM
reddeer...
Ah. My hero... Mounties rule...
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bhearsch
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posted on May 4, 2001 04:13:56 PM
Hi Neil. Good for you!! I've always thought the bid retraction option to be problematic for sellers. I wish eBay wouldn't include a reference to it in the buyer's confirmation email.
Now on another note, this doesn't sound like something an Eagle Scout would do http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame64.html but looks more like the actions of a Jekyll and Hyde persona. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame32.html Did you by any chance have a surprise visit from your in-laws?
Blanche
[ edited by bhearsch on May 4, 2001 04:14 PM ]
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sasoony
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posted on May 4, 2001 04:21:09 PM
"This buyer had 71 positives,and also had a Credit Card on file with eBay. [hotmail account]"
And this bidder can ignore all of eBay's rules and guidelines and be a general pain in the a$$ because he/she can create a new user ID which sellers have no way of blocking.
If bidders discovered that they were being blocked from bidding on higher priced or more desireable items they would be more concerned about their feedback and following the rules.
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cdnbooks
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posted on May 4, 2001 05:02:44 PM
Boy oh boy....you POWER Sellers sure have POWER
Bill
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Juggheadd
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posted on May 4, 2001 05:51:38 PM
"I get a kick out of people like yourself that sit at your keyboard calling other people names, because you don't have the courage to stand up to anyone in your everyday life. You are an obvious coward"
Whoa. Peace Bruddah. Have a pill and relax
And by the way I am doing things that really count. In the past 4 months I have personaly busted 22 different bootleggers on yahoo. Much more imporatnt to get rid of than a DORK who retracts bids on ebay
[ edited by Juggheadd on May 4, 2001 06:14 PM ]
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upriver
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posted on May 5, 2001 06:22:10 AM
This was posted on the eBay announcement board around the same time.
Just an eerie coincidence, or have we entered The Canadian Zone?
***Bid Retraction Reminder***
On eBay, your bid is a contract; place a bid only if you're serious about buying the item. If you are the winning bidder or purchase an item through one of our fixed price formats, you will enter into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller. Every bid on eBay is binding (unless the item is listed in a category under the Non-Binding Bid Policy or the transaction is prohibited by law or by eBay's User Agreement.)
Bid retractions can seriously compromise the integrity of a listing. We do realize that mistakes sometimes happen and that there are
legitimate reasons for retracting a bid on occasion. However, frequent bid retractions are not acceptable. We will thoroughly investigate bid retractions and abuse of this feature may result in action against you, up to the suspension of your eBay account.
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Juggheadd
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posted on May 5, 2001 06:54:54 AM
upriver
Are you a northerner too?
Thank you for the ebay warning. I can see what the probelm is now. I still cant see how ebay can make any sale binding. If a buyer wants to not pay there is nothing ebay can do except kick them off the site. Big deal
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reddeer
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posted on May 5, 2001 07:31:16 AM
Hey Blanche, once an Eagle Scout, always an Eagle Scout. 
Upriver, thanks for your post, I had missed that on the AB.
I'm glad to see that eBay is finally taking bid retractions more serious. Most likely some of the Gold POWER [thanks Bill] sellers have been complaining.
Juggheadd I think part of the problem is some buyers don't realize how serious bid retractions are, and that sometimes it may even appear that they are in cahoots with the seller. It doesn't look too good for me if the highest bidder suddenly retracts their bid moments before the auction ends, after running the price up over several days. Some of the other bidders might get to wondering if somehow I'm involved with their B.S.
I've also had bidders retract their bid when they wern't even the high bidder? Yes, it can affect the final price, and it can also affect my reputation in the eyes of someone who doesn't take the time to follow the bid patterns of some of these losers.
It might not stop someone from re-registering with false contact info, but at least it lets these weenies realize that eBay is not simply turning a blind eye on their actions.
This particular jack azzes retraction didn't affect me in the slightest, it was a low $ item, and theirs was the only bid placed.
I normally wouldn't have wasted my time with an email to SH, but after seeing how many other sellers they were pulling this same B.S. on, I decided that turning the other cheek was not the way to go.
Just for the record, this isn't the first bid retracter I've had suspended, and it most likely won't be the last.
I started this thread so that other sellers would see that SH does indeed take action on bid retractors.
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Juggheadd
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posted on May 5, 2001 07:39:12 AM
reddeer
Thanks for the information
I see the probelm now.
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sasoony
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posted on May 5, 2001 10:59:57 AM
"and that sometimes it may even appear that they are in cahoots with the seller. It doesn't look too good for me if the highest bidder suddenly retracts their bid moments before the auction ends, after running the price up over several days. "
Popular scam with AOL sportscard dealers. Create a bogus AOL user ID and bid the prices up on their competitors sports card boxes. They have the same boxes listed at $40 to $50 and bid their comprtitors boxes up to $70. Their boxes look like a bargain, and sell for a good profit at $40 to $50 while their competitor waits for his $70 payment which never shows up.
If you look at the bidding, it looks like the seller is shill bidding on his own boxes to drive the price up.
"AOL is so easy.....No wonder it's the #1 choice for ebay scams and shill bidding".
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uaru
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posted on May 5, 2001 11:19:37 AM
I started this thread so that other sellers would see that SH does indeed take action on bid retractors.
Your actions are appreciated reddeer. I do question why automatic features aren't in place to deal with bidders like that in the first place. You would think that 26 bid retactions in one month would trigger some automatic action.
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doufusgoofus
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posted on May 5, 2001 11:40:05 PM
I think its great that safeharbour actually did something.
I have said for awhile that the seller should have the option of accepting the retraction or not.
I have heard countless times about buyers that bid on lots of the same item, than retract the bids once they are able to purchase one of the many they bid on.
My own experiences with safeharbour have been less than stellar.
The response I usually get is "thats so sad, to bad".
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MUSICMAN12533
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posted on May 6, 2001 03:57:48 AM
Sasoony--the problem with having the option of blocking everyone with a 0 feedback-if everyone did that how would a legitimate
"newbie" ever get a feedback rating?-after all we were all "newbies" at one time.
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