iwannabuy
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posted on May 10, 2001 03:13:31 PM
I know this will sound like a dumb question, but here goes anyway. If a book says 'First Edition' on the copyright page does that exclude it from being a BCE? The book in question has lost its dj, says 'First Edition' on the copyright page, but also has a depressed mark on the back cover of an owl. I thought I read somewhere that the mark on back cover could mean a BCE. Thanks for your help.
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shrty411
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posted on May 10, 2001 03:41:59 PM
this link may help:http://www.rarebooks.org/bookclub.htm
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Zazzie
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posted on May 10, 2001 04:00:30 PM
Many times the Book Clubs will print directly from the publisher's plates---so YES--a book club may state that it is a First Edition even though it is a BCE.
The owl is the giveaway that is most likely a BCE---though I'm not sure which book club uses the Owl
http://www.massmedia.com/~mikeb/rcb/#19
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iwannabuy
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posted on May 10, 2001 04:42:58 PM
This particular book is the Sue Grafton - E is For Evidence. I know without the jacket it's not worth much but wish I could determine for sure if it is a BCE. It also has the # line on copyright page 13579108642.
It also has an ISBN # on the copyright page.
Would the ISBN # tell me if it is a BCE?
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kudzurose
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:03:46 PM
iwanna - the mark on the back of a book that indicates it is a book club edition is usually very small - a circle about the size of the top of a pencil eraser, or a square about that size.
There are some publishers that impress their logo or some such symbol on the back of their books, and that does not indicate it's a BCE. I'm not familiar with the owl mark - but it sounds more like a publisher mark. However, BCE of the Grafton books seem to be rather common.
What is the quality of the binding? The BCE Grafton's I have seen seemed rather cheap, lightweight, as far as the cover.
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iwannabuy
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:10:49 PM
The mark on the back is about the size of an S&H green stamp (remember those). I dont know if the cover is cheap or not. It is gray boards with a black cloth spine. Page edges are smooth, not ragged. Would the ISBN # that is on the copyright page tell me if it is BCE?
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engelskdansk
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:15:47 PM
You have a bookclub.
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kudzurose
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:18:20 PM
I believe the same ISBN is on both the regular publisher edition and the BCE - all the ones I have checked have been the same, although there might be an exception.
It sounds too big to be like any BCE backstamp that I have ever seen.
Who is the publisher?
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iwannabuy
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:21:09 PM
Kudzu - the publisher is Henry Holt
Engelskdansk - How do you know it's a BCE?
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Zazzie
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:37:26 PM
Modern BCE do not normally have ragged pages--similar quality to the publisher's edition.
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kudzurose
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:48:18 PM
iwanna - Henry Holt has a division named "Owl Books", but I believe it is for paperbacks.
You can email customer service at HH and probably find out something - here is the address for their website, and you can click a link from there to email a question.
http://www.henryholt.com/henryholt.htm
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Zazzie
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:49:07 PM
Sue Grafton is printed by 'The Mystery Guild' when it goes to Book Club. If any one has a Mystery Guild book on hand, maybe they can have a peek and see if there is a stamp on the back.
Go up to Abe.com and do a search for the book---make sure you click on Hardcover or you'll get hundreds to go through---they have quite a few BCE up there.
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