posted on May 26, 2001 09:56:09 PM
Hi, I have several pieces of china that I am listing
on Ebay. I have been able to figure out most of the
Limoges and Haviland marks but now I also have a few
others that are confusing me. First there are 8 small
dessert type plates with this mark:
Then there are somethings with:
Finally I have a piece with:
I just listed something which confused me a bit but I
listed it anyway. How could two pieces that look to be
a matched set have different marks? Obviously I would
think they are not a matched set but does anyone have
any ideas?
Here are the marks:
And here are the pieces:
Any help in identifying these marks or information on
these pieces would be greatly appreciated!
posted on May 26, 2001 11:00:31 PM
It appears that some of the these pieces were purchased as blanks, and then decorated by another company. That's why the cup & saucer have different marks on the bottom. MZ Austria is very well known, as is RS Prussia. RS Prussia has its own category on eBay. The pieces marked with RC Bavaria, were made by Rosenthal, another well known china maker.
posted on May 27, 2001 04:55:21 AM
I have a trio with the RC Barvaria sign on them. I thought it refered to Joseph Rieber & Co of Mitterteich, Bavaria, Germany. The company has operated under a number of different names and presumably their mark has reflected this.
They started production in 1868 with hard-paste porcelain. They predominatly produced tea and coffee services and utility ware.
Redeer: if you know more about the Rosenthal connection could you please post a follow up as i'd be very interested to know this.
Your pieces were not made by Joseph Rieber & Co. According to Marks on German, Bohemian and Ausrtrian Porcelain 1710 to the Present, by Robert E. Rontgen, Joseph Rieber & Co. [1868-1923], never used a mark with RC Bavaria. The mark they used looks like two crown wearing Lions, holding a crowned crest/shield with JR on the inside of the crest. They only used 2 marks over the years, and both marks have this same style of Lion & crest/shield mark. They started out in Selb Bavaria & later moved to Mittereich.
Rosenthal [Selb Bavaria] used the RC mark [with slight variations] on numerous pieces from 1891 to 1933. They also bought up a number of the early porcelain companies in Selb, Kronach, etc, so you'll find numerous marks on their wares.
posted on May 27, 2001 07:38:24 AM
Thanks Reddeer! Do you think I can list the RC Bavaria pieces on Ebay under Rosenthal? If MZ Austria does not have it's own category how would you recommend listing those pieces?
posted on May 27, 2001 07:44:03 AM
justbijou ........ If I was you I'd do some completed searches on eBay & see what did best where. I haven't listed any china like yours in quite some time so I have no idea where they would be best suited. Good Luck!
posted on May 27, 2001 10:09:20 AM
Thanks Reddeer. I spent ages trying to look up these marks. I'd thought they were of Joseph Rieber & Co because of a very similar mark in 'Miller's Pottery & Porcelain Marks by Gordon Lang'. The mark that appears has a crown with an R under it and then 'Bavaria' under that. The style is exactly like the RC mark as seen above. I haven't seen the mark you describe with the crown & 2 lions.
I'm glad you mentioned Rontgen's book - I admit to have never heard of him before but a quick search shows he seems to be a reliable authority to refer to, thanks. If you can offer any further comments on what i've described, they'd be much appreciated
posted on May 27, 2001 10:09:30 AM
Thanks Reddeer. I spent ages trying to look up these marks. I'd thought they were of Joseph Rieber & Co because of a very similar mark in 'Miller's Pottery & Porcelain Marks by Gordon Lang'. The mark that appears has a crown with an R under it and then 'Bavaria' under that. The style is exactly like the RC mark as seen above. I haven't seen the mark you describe with the crown & 2 lions.
I'm glad you mentioned Rontgen's book - I admit to have never heard of him before but a quick search shows he seems to be a reliable authority to refer to, thanks. If you can offer any further comments on what i've described, they'd be much appreciated
posted on May 27, 2001 05:11:50 PM
Millers are a pretty reliable source, but when it comes to German, Bohemian and
Ausrtrian porcelain, I consider the Rontgen book my bible. He shows no such mark that you've described for Joseph Rieber & Co.
Sorry I couldn't be more help. Maybe someone else will be able to add to this thread?
