redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 09:48:47 AM
I won an auction from him. I paid for auction. After not receiving what I paid for, I filed a complaint with paypal. He then sent me a box of rocks via UPS to save his butt since all paypal requires is proof that something was received.
I've been getting emails left and right since I left neg. fb for this crook (which he immediately left one for me saying I was "nasty" ). He has been convicted many many times for internet fraud and other fraud, but he only walks away with fines. When you enter his name on search engine at google you get article after article on him from fraud charges and incidents.
Why does ebay keep letting this crook back on their site:???? Ebay has booted him off a few times and let him get right back on again. This just isn't right at all.
There is a string dedicated to this seller on some ebay message board that one of his other victims sent me a message about with the link. He has ripped off probably hundreds of thousands, if not, millions in a few years from people.
Everytime he's been convicted, he is just fined and the fines are just a drop in the bucket of all the money he's stolen from others.
I am just really pissed about this. I know ebay is just a "venue" BUT ebay is well aware of what this guy is as they've been dealing with him for years! Even a "venue" should have some responsibility to at least boot a known fraud off.
[email protected]
[ edited by redskinfan on Jun 6, 2001 09:51 AM ]
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spudinky
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:25:34 AM
Get this....apparently ebay has suspended a buyer for contacting other victims of this creep!! They will go after the victims but do NOTHING about a convicted, wll known fraud! I guess they'll be coming after me now.
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circuitmatter
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:31:25 AM
He probably makes eBay a lot of money...
Jonathan
www.elitegrafx.com - Website design
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:34:29 AM
welcome to auctionwatch 
and for anyone else reading and seeing spudinky just joined, she is not a troll. I posted this thread url in the ebay boards where they're talking about this crook.
Someone had to have complained about the person emailing them. I don't know why someone would do this when it is obvious that they were trying to help.
If you want to keep contacting others, ebay will probably kick you off too.
I'm not going to contact anyone who doesn't contact me first because I can't afford to get kicked off right now, esp. over this crook. He isn't worth that to me.
Why is ebay protecting him?? This is outrageous!
There are other auction sites out there. I hope people start flocking to them. Might not happen though.
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spudinky
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:43:28 AM
"Someone had to have complained about the person emailing them. I don't know why someone would do this when it is obvious that they were trying to help."
Well here is what I have been told...apparently the seller discussed here has put out a "reward" for information about the people who are out to ruin him.
I have learned there are all sorts of people out there and now I know there are people that think they will make a fast buck off of an unsrupulous convicted con-artist by ratting on an honest person trying to warn others so they don't get taken in too.
Makes you wanna choke!
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spudinky
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:44:34 AM
Oh...and thanks for letting everyone know I'm not a troll 
My husband would actually get a kick out of that if I was...considering I'm a stay at home mom of 6 kids!
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zoomin
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:47:54 AM
I don't get it.
It seems like the "venue" defense doesn't cut it here.
Has anyone contacted an attorney regarding a class action lawsuit?
Doesn't eBay have a liability?
A convicted/fined/guilty criminal is using them as a venue while they knowingly let him continue to transact?
No matter how much money this bogus seller makes for eBay, has anyone enlightened them to the legal ramifications of this?
(I'm assuming there must be something illegal here ~ more than just the responsibility eBay has to the members of its community).
I know you're pizzed redskin.
I'm confused.
Disappointed?
dunno.
edit: Where are my manners? Sorry!
Hi Spudinky!
[ edited by zoomin on Jun 6, 2001 10:51 AM ]
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:56:21 AM
well, a troll is (from what I understand) is someone who creates a new id on here to stir up trouble??
I have a 4 year old (almost 5) trying to get her down for a nap right now.
I gained 50 pounds AFTER I had her. I stay hungry all the time. Can't get the weight off for nothing.
I notice that he was only fined $2,000 when he was convicted?? I guess it was just a "business expense" to him.
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:00:56 AM
I would think that there has to be some kind of legal thing to it with ebay. Afterall, ebay is KNOWINGLY making money off FRAUD. If there isn't a law against this, THERE SHOULD BE!
It was only $18.09, but it's the principle of the thing. He is hurting lots of people and getting by with it. Ebay is helping him do it. 
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:07:40 AM
why does one buy from a professional ripoff artist if he has already ripped of many people?what does he peddle?
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:19:25 AM
well, I had "bought" rolls of shipping tape. He had auctions open for many other things, however. Some of his convictions were from "selling" magazine subscriptions from a company that never existed and the people just wouldn't ever receive their magazines.
He has a history of creating multiple aol accounts in order to spam people with advertising of his scams, stealing more money.
When I purchased from him, I had no idea of his history as did no other of his latest victims. When the auctions were going he had great fb (maybe self created??) and seemed on the level.
This "seller" makes it bad for the honest sellers because every time someone gets jilted by one of these creeps, they get a bad taste in their mouth and have trouble trusting the honest sellers. THIS IS ONE VERY BIG REASON THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE CONCERNED when someone like this is allowed to continue to operate.
I have had customers that were burned by a seller, and I could tell by the manner they conducted themselves. I try to keep in close contact with any customer that I sense this about to help them overcome this burned trust issue so they'll know there are still honest people out there.
He probably has other seller accounts on ebay. He currently doesn't have any more auctions up and running under this id.
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bobokiki2
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:29:45 AM
redskin, ever consider contacting the bidders of his auctions via a secondary, throw-away address? (yahoo, hotmail, excite, etc)
You don't have to even say anything - a simple link to his conviction story and his feedback will do.
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Valleygirl
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:59:32 AM
I wish I knew who this seller is so I can stay away from him. I am currently buying any magazines and newspapers from 1951 for props for a 50th anniversary. Does he sell old magazines?
Not my name on ebay.
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 12:19:22 PM
email me and I'll tell you, but I'm not allowed to post it in here right?? What are the exact rules about that??
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imabrit
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posted on June 6, 2001 01:52:54 PM
redskinfan
This sounds like the same person that stiffed me for 25.00 in packing tape and then he got kicked off.
Very professional email took paypal and I paid right off I think it was for 25.00 about a month ago.
I get nothing and they got naru'd
Adrian
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 01:56:11 PM
This person got NARUed several times and ebay has let him back on. email me [email protected]
It sounds like the same person. I paid by paypal too.
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capotasto
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posted on June 6, 2001 02:16:40 PM
Good thing you paid by paypal, you can do a CC chargeback.
BTW I'm sure ebay won't care, they're probably in a partnership agreement with this guy, LOL.
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 02:32:45 PM
I would do a chargeback...except I paid with existing funds
It wasn't until a couple weeks ago I realized you could have the money in the account put in your bankaccount. That is so cool. I was gonna cancel paypal til I saw that neat feature
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gravid
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posted on June 6, 2001 05:14:48 PM
If you have his actual address and want to make things difficult I found that sending a few cash donations to organizations like the KKK and the John Birch Society and a few TV preachers along with letters in his name praising their work and asking how he can volunteer his free time to work for them are will result in them never leaving him alone. If he reacts too unkindly to their return calls - wouldn't that be a shame if those sorts of people were mad at him?
Of course if you are really unhappy it is possible to do similar things that will cause the Postal Inspectors and other law enforcemnet agencies to take an interest in him. If that happens who knows what else they may find a slimeball like this is up to you might never suspect as a bonus. Need I say don't get caught?
[ edited by gravid on Jun 6, 2001 05:24 PM ]
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patel126
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posted on June 6, 2001 05:53:26 PM
Well, eBay is ONLY a venue, and they have no more responsibility for fraud than a newpapers does for their classified ads.
I still think I have the record with -44, but I have several other eBay IDs that are getting up there . . .
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 06:13:42 PM
this person has 94 negs and I think 29 neutrals. I think he has the record patel.
I still think it should be illegal for ebay to accept stolen property. It is different in case of a newspaper, because they're just accepting money for the ad.
BUT ebay takes a fee based upon the amount the BUYER SPENDS. If what the buyer spent is stolen by the seller wouldn't that constitute accepting stolen property???
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zoomin
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posted on June 6, 2001 06:35:54 PM
something about "funds received through illegal means" rings a bell.
Maybe I just watch too many movies.
To put a twist on the classified ad analogy:
A town newspaper accepts payment for a classified ad in which a convicted kiddie porn king searches for adolescents to "model" for his "agency" (the same little ploy he's served time for). Paper accepts a finders fee for any "models" who sign on.
How much of a legal responsibility does the town paper have?
How much integrity to protect the community it serves?
Are they accepting "pimping" money?
**just thinking out loud**
*any input appreciated *
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 06:46:47 PM
actually, if a newspaper takes money for an ad that causes harm to someone, or a potential threat, it can be libel for damages. I learned that in my media law class last semester. I used to be a journalism major.
This was based upon a case where a newspaper took money for an ad for a hitman. Someone used the ad, hired the man and he killed someone. The family of the murder victim sued the paper and won a huge law suit.
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 06:47:00 PM
just deleting double post
[ edited by redskinfan on Jun 6, 2001 06:48 PM ]
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david2001
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posted on June 6, 2001 06:56:52 PM
If other users who you warned are ratting youi out, there's a chance HE may actually be those users! Maybe he set up some shill accunts as well and you accidentally notified him of himself!
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redskinfan
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posted on June 6, 2001 07:03:38 PM
That is a very possible idea David. Thanks
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redskinfan
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posted on June 7, 2001 08:05:26 AM
late last night after I had gone to bed, this guy pulled my contact info. I guess it would explain the weird phone call that woke me up around 3 am.
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roofguy
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posted on June 7, 2001 09:32:40 AM
late last night after I had gone to bed, this guy pulled my contact info. I guess it would explain the weird phone call that woke me up around 3 am.
THIS is why my buying account is completely ficticious.
I pay for stuff I buy, and no one has ever pulled my ficticious info, but if I ever get into redskinfan's situation, let eBay NARU me before I get 3AM phone calls.
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redskinfan
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posted on June 7, 2001 09:38:36 AM
I used my seller account
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redskinfan
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posted on June 7, 2001 07:09:13 PM
well, I wanted to calm down about it before I posted what he said so that it would come out more clearly. He is threatening to call police and social services on me if I don't shut up about him. I'm a pretty friendly person when I talk to the sellers and I mentioned in my initial email to him that I was a mom and was trying to make small chat and was seeing if he was going to be selling a lot of this stuff later (I had no idea what kind of person he is). He's threatening to call the police and social services saying I beat my little girl if I don't shut up about him. Who told him that I was saying anything about him in the first place???
Well, I'm very pissed now. I thought I was before, but I'm so pissed now I could shoot him without remorse. Now that's pretty pissed right?? This experience has me not wanting to buy anything from anyone on here again.
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