posted on June 8, 2001 06:15:07 PM
Close mine? I am done with them. This is just enough of everyone's hand in my pocket. I work anywhere from 9-16 hours a day on my Ebay selling in one form or another, and am sick and tired of everybody in his brother digging into my pocket like they have a right to, and at any time they want to. Simply put?.....ENOUGH! Would someone tell me please how to close out my account? Also the no paypal logo is going into every one of my auctions, tonight! I am curious to know how many others have finally had their fill as well.
posted on June 8, 2001 06:23:10 PM
I have had my fill also and will be closing my account on Monday. I would suggest calling Paypal at 1-800-836-1859 and
letting them know you'd like to close your account immediately. That's what I'll be doing on Monday and will let them know the reasons why. I hope we'll not be the only ones taking a stand on this issue. To sit by idly and allow Paypal to determine policy without any regard to the sellers needs is a recipe for future disaster. After all, where would Paypal be without the sellers who have supported them. And this is the thanks we get?
posted on June 8, 2001 06:24:50 PM
I just want to go from Verified to UnVerified. That $1,000. would more than enough cover what I sell in a month. I had to go verified because I went over the $250. Somehow I don't think they'll let me do this.....
posted on June 8, 2001 06:30:51 PM
Thank You Kristie. I just logged into my paypal account and one last transaction just cleared with an e-check. They took their amount right off the top, and that included what my buyer sent to cover the shipping. On a $19.34 transaction, with shipping, they took out $.73. To hell with that! I did it before with Personal Checks, Money Orders and Cashiers Checks and I will do it again. I would rather see my customers get the money intheir pockets, rather then greedy online services that try to act like a bank, but have no FDIC coverage. Any other services out there to take Credit Cards that anyone knows about, please let me know. TIA!
posted on June 8, 2001 06:35:30 PM
If you cannot afford for someone else to take 2.2% of your auction plus .35 then perhaps you are in the wrong business? You could not add 2% to your minimum bid, or build in a slight handling fee? If you are using the debit card you can get your cash back, I use it for everything and my Paypal fees are hardly anything at all.
This is just another one of the Paypal related hysteria's, it too shall pass. I thought you were closing your account out last year when Paypal started charging, I seem to remember many, many posts from you on the subject?
posted on June 8, 2001 06:45:46 PMYou could not add 2% to your minimum bid...?
You know, this keeps coming up and I'm still waiting for someone to show me the logic in this.
How does raising your starting bid result in a higher ending price, unless your items are selling for the opening bid price?
If you regularly start an item at $9.00 and the auction usually ends at $18.00, does starting the auction at $9.75 guarantee your auction will end at $18.75? Hardly.
It's time for this argument to be removed from any discussion of how to cover increasing fees.
posted on June 8, 2001 06:52:37 PM
Thank you vargas, well said.
Gosh! I also get SICK & TIRED of most saying add it to your bid price.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! I'm trying to establish a following using $1.00 NO RESERVE, how in the hell am I going to incorperate?
Already with all the fees if I have an item close at $1.00(and sometimes it happens) I'm in the hole for that item, and dare I miscalculate postage(in their favor...which I've done) I'm paying them to get what I got.
posted on June 8, 2001 06:54:28 PM
How about this argument then? Go get yourself a merchant account and see how much they charge you.
There is nothing free in life, the sooner some people realize that the better off they will be.
If increased fees means that Paypal will still be around, then I am all for it. None of the other merchant accounts I have looked at come close to Paypal. Monthly statements, gateway fees, etc. etc.
When I price my items, I start the bid out at what I have to have to make a profit, any other fees I incur are included in that start bid. If it gets even one bid I am way ahead of myself. I don't have any problems selling on ebay, my profit is excellent and has been since 1998.
I don't understand the logic, if Paypal had not started to charge some months back they probably would not have made it. Complaining about it changes nothing, just like last year, get all the drama done and over with and close your account if you don't like it.
posted on June 8, 2001 06:56:04 PM
hcross> and you seem quite cross.....Maybe you want to keep on gouging the buyers but I guess I am not into that. The more you add on to the opening bid, the more it will probably go for,(if in fact it gets any bids at the inflated price at all) and the more fees that come out. It is a never ending circle. Just how much is the buyer supposed to absorb before they just quit bidding? No I am in the correct business, thank you very much. Whenever someone makes a complaint and tries to voice their opinion on something there is bound to be a snotty remark made by someone who seems to think they have all of the simple answers. Not simple my dear, gouging the buyers. Yes, I did make posts about ending the Paypal syndrome last year but decided to give them a chance and thought they had learned their lesson with the huge outcry of protest. But then I thought that is what this forum was all about, and that is discussion. I vowed to myself that if they made another increase I was otta there, and I am. If you think the simple solution is to add the ebay, postal hikes and paypal fees to the opening bid, and still come out ahead,and get any decent bids, then maybe you like working to line someone elses pockets. Go for it!
*Edited to add....Vargas> Thanks so much. Going to do it right now!
[ edited by furkidmom on Jun 8, 2001 06:59 PM ]
You are right the incress your starting bid isnt logical for many Reason and one of them is that the higher your starting bid the high your over all cost as the price goes up so dont the fees and percentages taken from your sales.
If you use Ebay for auctions AW for launching and phots and paypal and incress your start you incress there cut as well.
So you cant win that way if you charge a handleing fee you cut down on the High bid price some wont even bid.
There is just no way to pass on charges no more with online auctions as there are two many hands in a sellers pocket now .... http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
posted on June 8, 2001 07:07:01 PM
lol, you are funny. I don't gouge anyone and never have. Raising your opening bid is gouging? In 30 days I have run 129 auctions. 98 have closed with bids, there were 205 bids on the 98 that closed. Just barely short of $2,000 this month. I probably had $200-300 in what I sold.
I have a fixed shipping rate listed on my auctions, that covers all my packing supplies, I ship Federal Express and even with a small charge added in I am still cheaper than Priority Mail. It is called adapting and changing.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:14:08 PM
Have any of you been to a live auction? It only takes two people interested in an item to run the bid up. eBay is no different. It doesn't make any difference if you include fees in you opening bid or shipping and handling charges, the auction will go where the bidders take it. It's a given you won't make any money if you sell items for $1.00. Why would anyone start their minumum bid out loosing money? That's bad business.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:16:50 PMhcross seems to be missing the point with PayPal. It's not absolutely about the higher fees, it's about trust and honesty.
If I've learned one thing, it's never to trust promotional statements, or mission statements, from new or even existing dot.coms.
You say you've been to live auctions. Then you should know about the $50.00 starts versus the $1.00 start.
And if you don't know, I'm to tired to explain.
I know, you know, what I'm talking about. I've looked at your auctions. Although I don't start my auctions as low as yours, I start everything at $5.00, no matter what it is. I have NEVER varied from this position and lost money.
I profit even more now because others are refusing to do so.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:25:49 PM
Close your account, then open a personal account for your low end items. You can run alot of small transactions through for that $100 a month, with no fee.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:28:53 PM
Vargas? I went in to close my account, and it said that any pending transactions would be canceled. I have $648.00 coming from them, so would they still come to me even though these transactions are still in the *pending mode*, and that being they are pending to be dumped into my bank account? TIA By the way, nearly $2,000 this month? Thats a good start! I remember when I hit my $2,000 mark for one month the first time. It was a big rush, but the bigger rush is coming now after I went into paypal and saw what they took out in fees from the nickle and dimeing. WOW! Add to that the Ebay fees, the relisting fees, the postal increases, and the deadbeats, and yowza! No thanks!
posted on June 8, 2001 07:30:30 PM
I used to start my low end auctions at $0.99. Then eBay raised their fees. So I raised my opening price to $1.49. Then Paypal started taking a cut. So I raised my prices to $1.99. Then eBay raised their fees again. So I raised my price to $2.99 JUST TO COVER MY FEES. This is outrageous.
I was at a live auction a few months ago where they were charging a 10% buyers fee on all items. Ironically my auction number was #10, so I put a big % sign after my number and lowered all my bids by that much.
And yes, none of the items they started at $50.00 plus got any bids........Until they lowered the starting bid price to below $10.00....
posted on June 8, 2001 07:32:54 PM
Interesting.....you don't want to 'gouge' the buyer with 'handling' fees that cover your cost of Paypal, handling, AW fees and Ebay Fees.
BUT---you want the buyer to mail you payment, envelope & postage, maybe even pay for a money order, or the cost that their bank charges to cash a cheque.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:34:41 PM
or you could have, say a post office box for an unverified account. then have one verified account. the total limit is $200. receive the first $100 in the unverified account and send it to your verified, then transfer it to your checking account. If you get more than $100 in paypal sales, refer the next $100 to your verified account.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:35:58 PM
Your absolutely right. Low starters incites bidding action.
I have realized WAY BETTER prices for my stuff versus my search for the same and they only get 1 bid and its far below what I get in the end results.
Granted, I do on occasion end up with a dud that sells for $1.00 but I advertise real good on my auction page that ALL AUCTIONS START AT $1.00 NO RESERVE. It makes them check out the rest.
Now with sales so slow, I'm hesitant to put my best on.
Aside from my sleeper earlier this week, I'm just squeeking by.
because they're the buyer. they're the ones who are making the purchase. That's like saying we should send the buyer money for a money order, stamp, and envelope to send us money.
hmmm I wonder if my credit card will do that?? Well, they do send an envelope, but I have to supply the stamp. I think I'll start a protest. I may owe them money, but how dare they ask I pay for the stamp!
posted on June 8, 2001 07:47:08 PM
morgantown,
I usually run in batches...from 30 to 75 at a time.
Right now I think I have 9 left running, I've been real busy with a wet basement, I lost a lot due to the flooding here.
Had to take it all to the garage, so now I'm out there sorting. What a mess.
Its real hard to get enthused about selling this time of year, its always so slow.
But.....I do like to keep a few things on.
Thanks for asking.
I too am thinking of going fromm $1.00 to $1.99. I REALLY hate to do that though.
i just want to maintain the reputation of $1.00 NO RESERVE. If you know what I mean.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:49:38 PM
Here is an idea:
Go into your paypal account. Click on the section that allows you to change your profile info. Then, change the primary email address to an email address that hardly anyone knows. Then, delete the email address that you were using to accept auction payments.
This way, your account technically stays open if you want to tinker with it for whatever reason. But, whenever a bidder attempts to pay by paypal (without asking first), paypal will reject the payment and the bidder will have to send payment another way.
I know from personal experience that this is a good way to block paypal payments while keeping your potential future options open. Good luck.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:50:48 PM
Redskinfan---I'm being ironic.
Somebody here was having a hissy fit about gouging buyers because of the increased fees---so instead they upping their shipping fee to cover the extra costs, and keep a payment system that is easy for buyers to use---they will now be asking the buyers to go back to the hassle of cheque/MO mailing.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:51:50 PM
I STILL say using a credit card to pay for a purchase is a convenience for the BUYER! As a seller, I could care less how they pay. The BUYER should pay for the convenience of using a credit card, NOT the seller.
These credit cards companies have it ass backwards in my humble opinion.
posted on June 8, 2001 07:52:25 PM
Packer, I just took a quick look at your auctions. Nice work. The only thing I can think of that might help your sales [it could be a lot!] is to put "NR" in the title.
Personally, when I search eBay and see low starting auctions - most of them ARE reserve. I'd bet your sales would increase substantially with NR or a variation of it.
[ edited by furkidmom on Jun 8, 2001 06:47 PM ]