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 petpost
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:26:14 PM new
I saw this in the TOS for an item on eBay that I am interested in...

"PAYPAL is also accepted but there’s an extra charge if you pay this way(2.2% of winning bid + .30). I’m charged by PAYPAL so I have to pass this charge along "

Isn't this against eBay rules or PayPal's rules? How can I counter with this seller on this issue?

 
 mtnmama
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:27:49 PM new
Don't bid.

The seller went against the tos from both sites. What should you do? Report him to both.



 
 petpost
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:32:22 PM new
Do you have a link to report? Would it be SafeHarbor for eBay?

 
 mrpotatoheadd
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:34:45 PM new
Report him to both.

As it is, he's being upfront about his charges, so if you don't want to pay an added fee to use PayPal, you can pay by another method.

If you report him, he'll be warned not to charge an additional fee for PayPal, and he may very well just raise his shipping/handling charge for everybody, regardless of the payment method they use.

Good for payPal, but not so good for those using alternate payment methods who are forced to subsidize PayPal's customers against their will (and their own best interests).

How can I counter with this seller on this issue?

If you don't like the terms, don't bid.
 
 mtnmama
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:43:14 PM new
Yes report him to both places. He's against the TOS on eBay and PayPal and if he's allowed to continue, we all suffer. Eventually eBay will tell us we can't use PayPal at all and PayPal will up their fees!

So he raises his handling. How do we know he hasn't already done that?

Someone wanting to charge me their fees because they choose to use PayPal? I think not. I use them and don't charge any fees to my customers. I also don't charge handling and I haven't upped my shipping.

[email protected]

Include a copy of the auction stating the terms in your letter. Better yet, send it from the auction page, where it says, send this auction to a friend. It'll get there without changes.

 
 mrpotatoheadd
 
posted on June 22, 2001 02:47:15 PM new
Someone wanting to charge me their fees because they choose to use PayPal?

I don't believe that is the case here. The seller is offering PayPal as one of several payment options. The buyer is the one who is choosing to use PayPal.
 
 vargas
 
posted on June 22, 2001 03:06:05 PM new
Easy answer: don't use PayPal -- neither of you will have to pay a fee.



 
 tomwiii
 
posted on June 22, 2001 03:43:03 PM new
MYOB! If ya don't like the TOS, don't bid! Now everybody wants to go whine to Mama Meg!
Ugh! Yuck! As Pogo once said: "we have met the enemy..."

 
 mtnmama
 
posted on June 22, 2001 07:12:00 PM new
tomwiii why so sensitive? Do you have the same terms?

Mr PH he didn't state he chose to pay that way. He asked how he could counter with the seller. I take it he never did bid on the item. Wouldn't it be a crock if he was the seller and just wanted to see what opinions were? LOL!

Personally, I wouldn't bid on an auction with terms like that but there are so many people out there who don't give a flip about TOS, etc.

These same people wonder why Geocities deletes their pictures or why they're NARU from eBay eventually.

TOS are in place for a reason. Don't like it? Don't join the site. But don't smack it to your bidders just because you choose to accept PayPal. Yes, there it is again, the word choose. The seller chose to accept it and by doing so chose to abide by their TOS, the bidder shouldn't be punished for that.

JMNSHO



 
 mcbrunnhilde
 
posted on June 22, 2001 07:13:35 PM new
If you wanted to be nice, you could "ask seller a question" and tell him that he is in violation of both eBay and PayPal policies, and that he risks a warning and/or suspension. You could also let him know that it's perfectly OK to offer a discount for checks/money orders--he just can't state an extra charge for credit cards.


Without eBay, I might have a real life...
 
 capotasto
 
posted on June 22, 2001 07:18:28 PM new
"How can I counter with this seller on this issue?"

Subtract 2.2% plus 30 cents from the amount you were prepared to bid.

As for reporting him, I suppose you could be a weenie snitch if you want.

 
 sadie999
 
posted on June 22, 2001 07:27:52 PM new
I can't imagine reporting someone for this. For one thing, just because a power makes a rule, it doesn't make the rule fair or just.

This seller is just trying to recoup her/his fees.

If a seller is selling an obvious phony; or takes money and doesn't ship; or.... sure, report them and try to keep the waters clean.
In this instance, just don't bid. Or, if it still works out to a good deal on something you want, bid, pay, if all goes well, leave pos fdback. And then if you want, tell the seller that their tos almost kept you from bidding and why.

I don't do this (chg customers the fees outright) because I don't want to be hassled by the powers that be, but I've recently added a handling charge on items I sell that I pretty much know will go for less than $20.

This seller is either honest, brave, or ignorant, depending on your point of view. Considering the number of sellers out there that don't tell you shipping, but charge $15 to ship a cd, etc., this stuff is way mild.
 
 
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