jumpinjacko
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posted on July 15, 2001 01:08:33 PM
I took a neutral yesterday....
I sold a cd and the bidder was unhappy that I didn’t state the cd was BMG Music Club CD.The music is the same...right?
The only difference is the UPC number..
Other then buying my cd AT 7 bucks and returning it to Sam Goody
for a full $16.00 refund ..Why a bidder be upset...?
I have sold 1000s like this before with out any problem..
Can someone help me...? Pretty Please....
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JUMPIN*JACK
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hotmusic99
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posted on July 15, 2001 01:23:43 PM
There is a huge difference in BMG music club, or columbia house type stuff. First of all its not pressed by the label, that it was originally released on. The general music public views music club cd's as garbage. In the future I would state that it is a Music Club cd. I've done it myself.
Plain and simple, it's just not an original.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on July 15, 2001 01:35:07 PM
Hotmusic99
Are you saying that the quality is not the same...?
And if this is the case...Why would the original record company
let an inferior pressing company reproduce their stuff ?
No to mention what the artist must think..
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JUMPIN*JACK
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flyingeyeball
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:28:28 PM
Music clubs also occassionally edit the CD's for time. You only see this happen when they take what was originally a double record set and convert it to one CD...taking a song or two off the original two record set so it could fit onto one CD. Prince's 1999 album and Black Sabbaths' Greatest Hits are two examples that I can think of off hand.
Eyeball
[ edited by flyingeyeball on Jul 15, 2001 02:31 PM ]
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:30:49 PM
Hi Jumpin' Jack
BMG CD's are to music collectors what book club editions are to book collectors. For the average music collector, I do not think it is a problem. But for the die-hard collector they need to have the original pressing.
If I were listing a BMG CD I would note that on the auction if I knew that it was one. Also mention if it is a cut out, but I am sure your already know that.
BECKY
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dman3
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posted on July 15, 2001 03:03:04 PM
If you USE BMG in your discription or title I would also perpare to have your Auctions closed as selling BMG CDs and tapes on Ebay is against EBAY and Rules ..
There is a big difference to Collectors in what label is on there CDs tapes and records.
as thee are many labels that reproduce Orginal Albums.
There are many many Companies out there that make reproduction of Original Albums.
when your a Dealer and a collector there is a big difference in a new reproduction and the orginal .
Some record companies that make reproduction with permmision are.
Pickwick 33 , K-Tel, Columbia House, Time life, BMG,RCA Record club (orange label) ECT.
Not only is the Repo a newer release then the original But usually the music on them are edited And you will hear many collectors refer to the song on these albums and tapes and today cds as the edited or short versions.
when it come to older music the Label on the Record or tape and the Original jacket and art work mean more to the collector then the music its self as well.
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[ edited by dman3 on Jul 15, 2001 03:28 PM ]
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 03:11:29 PM
Why? As was stated, BMG items are like Book Club editions--which are perfectly OK to sell on eBay (& why wouldn;t they be?)...
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jumpinjacko
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posted on July 15, 2001 05:25:00 PM
Hey D–mon
nice to c ya again brother...
You say
“I would also prepare to have your Auctions closed as selling BMG CDs and tapes on eBay is against EBAY and Rules .. “
I just searched “bmg cd” and over 1200 of them are being sold on eBay as we
speak....and almost every cd title on half.com has a few sellers with them...
Did you see this rule in eBay T.O.U page...?
Hi BECKY...MY EBABE...
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JUMPIN*JACK
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hotmusic99
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posted on July 15, 2001 06:47:53 PM
"Why would the original record company
let an inferior pressing company reproduce their stuff ?"
Uh, I think the answer here would be money.
There is a clause in most contracts with artists that allows the record company to give the rights away for the recordings, oh and pay the artist next to nothing.
Voila! 10cd's for a penny!
MrsSantaClaus I couldnt of said it better, it is like the book club. Betcha the publishers pay the writers nothing there also.
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dman3
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posted on July 15, 2001 07:13:51 PM
Yeah I did Find this information on ebay it may have changed but ebay had an agreement with BMG as an asvertiser on ebay and on half.com as well .
Like I said this may have changed but I havent heard about the changes
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celebrityskin
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posted on July 16, 2001 06:33:14 AM
Record clubs do not press their own cds... the record company supplies them to the clubs. The covers are slightly different.. just in the UPC area... so they can't be sold via retail.
The .01 deals are considered "promo's" and the artist gets nothing.
There were 1 million copies of Pearl Jam's 10 sold via the clubs ... at a .01... and PJ got nothing.
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wbbell
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posted on July 16, 2001 06:50:36 AM
I'm intrigued by the bad feelings towards music club CDs.
The book club books that I have gotten have been physically different (smaller, obviously cheaper quality) than the full price version. With these CDs I can see absolutely no difference other than the BMG mark on it, and who cares?
The acts are free not to sell their stuff on BMG if they don't want to. I say the more publicity for them, the better. Plus there is now several months wait before they show up on BMG, so all the hot fans have usually gotten it by then. If someone buys a catalog album on BMG and likes the act, then maybe they will pay full price for their next album when it comes out.
But I understand that every little detail matters to the die-hard fans.
Oh, and as for the Prince 1999, that edit was done by the record label, not any music club. I remember finding that CD years ago at Musicland and not buying it because D.M.S.R was missing. Versions sold today have got the missing song back, though. (And yes I finally got it through BMG!)
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hotmusic99
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posted on July 16, 2001 08:14:40 AM
wbbell-"The acts are free not to sell their stuff on BMG if they don't want to." Not true. Most acts dont own their own publishing rights, which allows the record labels to do back door sales via BMG and the rest.
Also, the reason there has been this sore sentiment towards these clubs by the industry is because they tend to devalue the product. Yet, the same very companies that complain ala BMG, and Sony have their own music clubs that have these 10 cd's for a penny.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on July 16, 2001 07:21:04 PM
I found this at http://www.cd-clubs.com/
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Do club CDs have the same sound quality as retail store CDs?
All the clubs maintain that the CDs sold through them are equivalent to the CDs sold in retail stores. When mentioning their products' quality, their membership guides use phrases such as "manufactured by leading recording companies", "factory-fresh" and "factory-sealed".
While most people have found no differences in sound quality between club and retail CDs, some people claim retail CDs sound so much better than club CDs that they will no longer purchase club CDs.
A company in the fall of 1994 did compare the binary dumps of club and retail CDs on a small sample of titles. They found no differences in the binary dumps.
Are there any non sound differences between club and retail store CDs?
Club CDs have differed from retail CDs in several ways.
The most obvious difference is in packaging: if a retail CD is released with special packaging (paper jewel case, etc.), in almost all instances the club CD will be released with standard packaging (plastic jewel case).
In several instances (read handful out of several thousands), the club CDs have had lesser quality artwork. The differences have ranged from omitted liner notes to poorer quality images on booklets to the substitution of CD sized pictures for foldout posters. Also, some club CDs have lacked the index marks included on the retail CDs.
Further, the clubs mark most of their CDs in some manner. BMG usually replaces the UPC label with the title's club selection number and the statement "Mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing, Inc." They also sometimes print the title's selection number on the included booklet and the CD itself. CH/PLAY/CDHQ usually place the letters "CRC" somewhere discretely within the artwork on the back panel of the jewel case and sometimes add the statement "Manufactured by Columbia House Under License".
So there is a difference in the package but not in the music...
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JUMPIN*JACK
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mballai
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posted on July 17, 2001 11:50:30 AM
Absolutely nothing wrong with any of the music club CDs I've bought. The BMGs are marked;the ones from Columbia House appear to be identical to the store copies. Musical Heritage Society CDs often have a different cover and are cut with their logo, but the quality is fine.
The problems I have had with CDs came from non-club sources. Fortunately CD defects are an exception. Nothing like the problems back with LPs or tapes.
The real problem with music clubs has to be their limited selection and it's hard to get the newest releases because they are usually the last in the pipeline to get the CDs.
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on July 22, 2001 11:36:25 AM
Hello Jumpin'
Perhaps a good way to handle it would be to include a picture of the back of the CD. You do not have to mention it is BMG - which would stop vero BUT your cutomers would know exactly what they are bidding on. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words!
Good luck to you!
BECKY
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