DeSquirrel
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posted on October 6, 2001 01:05:52 PM new
I just got beat by a seller w. 1000 plus fb. I won a widget at a cheap price and paid the same day via paypal. After a few weeks I noticed it didn't arrive and asked where it was. After a few more emails, she said "it shipped 2 days ago". Still nothing and no reply so I negged her. This all took longer than paypal's 30 day limit to file a claim. I'm out the $20. Luckily it was a small item.
I just got my retailitory neg with "you never paid so what are you complaining about. Never make feedback deals!"
I responded "paypal confirmation on request. last email said "sent 2 days ago". THIEF!
My question is how can I make the seller's life hell???? I sometimes have a few hours to kill when nothing breaks and could eliminate the boredom by sending a few emails from my cat's email account. Or bidding on a few hundred widgets.
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paintpower
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posted on October 6, 2001 01:23:38 PM new
Think before you do it as it could come back to bite you. You might get kicked off Ebay or kicked off your ISP. If you spam the seller and they turn you over to Spam Cop you will be reported to your ISP.
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jeanyu
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posted on October 6, 2001 01:24:10 PM new
desquirrel, I'd be royally upset too! Did you email safe harbor and let them know the situation? Why not do a charge back on your paypal account? Sounds the easiest to me.
Positive energy---not negative!
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DeSquirrel
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posted on October 6, 2001 01:41:08 PM new
Jeanyu
The thing that fired me up was the neg message. A thief is one thing, an abusive thief, well that just means you spent $500 to right a $20 wrong!
I am past the 30 file period for Paypal. If I now go to the credit card company, what will paypal do?
Paintpower
I am a network administrator, they will never track down my cat's address
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Eventer
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posted on October 6, 2001 01:54:53 PM new
Before you go around messing w/other's auctions, you might want to read this thread:
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=427943
You never know when it's going to turn around & bite you in the A##.
I am a network administrator, they will never track down my cat's address
Famous last words. And you are willing to risk all this over $20? It's never pleasant to be taken by anyone, but move on..this isn't worth it.
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belalug3
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:54:23 AM new
In life (and Ebay auctions), you just have to "chalk some up" and move on. Revenge is not good for the psyche.
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dman3
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posted on October 7, 2001 09:03:35 AM new
DeSquirrel
Even you have to know the anwser to this the best way to make an online sellers life hell is to turn off your computer right now.
Never turn a computer on again infact put an add in your local paper put that computer up for sale and never look back start buying everything in the mall and upper end catalogs never pay less then 3x retail and vow to never pay less then 15 to 20% for shipping of them items.
Knowing dam well sellers on ebay will be here for ever listening to buyer whine about paying .05 to $1 over actual postage and always getting out bid by .01 on $1 NR auctions.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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twinsoft
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posted on October 7, 2001 09:12:13 AM new
Sellers don't get 1000+ feedback by ripping customers off for $20. You should take this up with Paypal before you go making anyone's life hell. Just a suggestion.
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bettylou
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posted on October 7, 2001 01:21:01 PM new
Ah, twinsoft. Ever the voice of sanity.
I wonder if the seller even takes PayPal. Lots of my customers just assume and fire the money off. *Three weeks later* the DUH? light flicks on in their head and they demand to know where their item is.
Sometimes we get the PayPal e-mail note but often we do not, so we don't even know they tried paying that way. (Of course, if they'd bothered to read...but we all know buyers don't read.)
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traceyg
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posted on October 7, 2001 01:34:46 PM new
Our nation has officially gone to war today. About 5,000 died in the terror attacks. Many are dieing for food and this is what you think that is so important that you have to waste your time and energy on it.
I feel for you but as they say God Bless America.
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danilynn71
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posted on October 7, 2001 01:51:13 PM new
You know it really irritates me that people feel the need to come here and put others down for being concerned with anything other than the "war".
traceyg - Perhaps you didn't notice that this thread was started on the 6th? In fact, I find it quite ironic that the originator hasn't come here today to comment on this topic, but you have. Maybe that say something about his priorities vs. yours.
[ edited by danilynn71 on Oct 7, 2001 03:27 PM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 7, 2001 02:19:26 PM new
DeSquirrel
As I've said before in another thread:
Do you really think that a seller with 1000+ feedback that has probably completed 2000 auctions successfully would put their reputation and selling privileges on the line and pick people at random to scam?
It may happen at times but in my oppinion it would make no sense what so ever.
Why don't you invite the seller to tell their side of the story? It would be interesting. I have actually seen one dispute resolved in this forum.
The revenge thing (excuse me for saying this) is childish!
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quickdraw29
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:33:08 PM new
It was slanderous of you to call this seller a "thief" in their feedback. You don't have proof they stole your money.
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pobo
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:44:06 PM new
If the other party received money and didn't send item then that makes him/her a thief.
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mballai
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:04:41 PM new
I sure wouldn't want this guy as my bidder. Stinko attitudes accomplish nothing. You don't even qualify for eBay's protection on such a small amount. Do a chargeback and be done with it.
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vargas
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:14:54 PM new
If the other party received money and didn't send item then that makes him/her a thief.
A number of bidders believe that just because they sent the money via PayPal that the seller received it.
I get those "I paid you two weeks ago, where's my item?" messages from time to time.
98% of the time, it's due to PayPal's system.
It turns out the payment shows in the buyer's PayPal history as "unclaimed."
The buyer had left a letter out of my e-mail address.
The other 2% of the time, they thought they'd paid, but had not. It's discovered when I ask for the transaction ID number.
So, unless the seller shows up with their side of the story (or the buyer comes back with more information), in this case there's no way to know if she actually received any money. From her end, it may be true that the buyer didn't pay.
BTW, $20 is an awfully small amount to want to "make life hell" over. Learn what you can from this and move on.
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quickdraw29
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:11:02 PM new
The seller may have mailed it and the package got lost in the mail or is in the process of being returned.
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 7, 2001 11:41:56 PM new
pobo
Here we have a seller that has completed hundreds of transactions successfully. I'm assuming their feedback must have been decent, otherwise, any smart buyer would avoid them. Now this seller just picks people at random and scams them out of $20. I'm not convinced that this is the case.
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Libra63
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:26:43 AM new
DeSquirrel-You can go to PayPal bring up the transaction and see if PayPal sent it. It will tell you there. If it says sent, then email this to your seller and show them that you did pay for the widget and you sent it to the right address. Credit Card companies have a 60 day limit on chargebacks. I very often have to email my buyers that say they paid through paypal but I haven't receive it. I have a very hard, I don't think so, email address and when I write my TOS I explain exactly what they have to do to pay me but I think many don't read past I accept paypal and just go and do it. When they go back into their account at PayPal they find out it is still sitting there. Good Luck and God Bless America. We all need to take time out of our busy schedules to say a prayer for all
the Men and Women that are fighting for freedom from terriorism.
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DeSquirrel
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posted on October 8, 2001 03:51:11 AM new
Many of the people here are sellers who continuously complain about buyers who don't read their T.O.S.. Well many of you also apparently don't read the posts either.
1) I'm not so stupid as to send PayPal to someone who doesn't take it.
2) As I said in my fb response I had a Paypal confirmation.
3) I could do a PayPal chrg bk & "be done with it" because it dragged on for > 30 days.
4) to communicate with the seller "and clear things up" the seller would have to reply to the emails right??? The only reply was "shipped 2 days ago", 4 weeks after payment. It's odd this never arrived, even more odd of her to have shipped "w/o being paid".
Today I got a Paypal credit for the amount. So she is not a thief, just an incompetant liar.
Moral of the story; don't buy anything w/o a cc or Paypal, and if paypal do a chargeback way before the 30 days!
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Libra63
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posted on October 8, 2001 08:49:25 AM new
I am happy that things worked out for you. I have realized that there are some great people on this board with a lot of knowledge but I have also found out there are a lot of winers also. Many of us come here for help and I sure have done that and have gotten very good information. I quit buying on ebay unless it is zip lock bags. I, in my 3 years have not had one bad buyer. I have had to prode some so I am going to stick to selling and hope I never have problems like you.
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traceyg
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posted on October 8, 2001 09:19:57 AM new
danilynn71
Doesn't matter when it was posted the basic vibe of the message is the same. There are a lot of things to spend energy on a lot of good things. Things that make the world better not worse. I still feel for a person that needs to consert lots of energy and anger over a 20.00 auction. If sellers did that with all the deadbeats we would all be out attacking people. hand we wouldn't need the terroist. If you don't understand the underlining of the message I can't make it any more clear.
My priorities are quite clear but thanks for the smile. Some messages just make my day.
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danilynn71
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:34:48 PM new
I'm so glad that I could amuse you. Actually, I think its you that is missing the "underlining of the message". Hopefully before this whole mess is over you'll see the light. self-righteousness doesn't benefit anyone.
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nowwaitaminuteder
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posted on October 8, 2001 01:44:03 PM new
I am willing to help....I have quite a few tricks to terrorize those who deserve to feel my wrath, buyer or seller. It is VERY easy to establish dozens of ID's to bid on sellers items or work up prices on the things the jerk is bidding on. I do that to deadbeats all the time. It is quite easy to milk bids as most people follow patterns when they bid. I learned quite a bit when i was a professional shill. Some people need some extra attention. It is also fun to do it to whiners on this board. It amazes me how easy it is to find most people ebay ID on this board.
traceyg....HAHAHHAHAHHA wake up!!!!!
quickdraw29...slanderous, HAHAHA call a lawyer and get the legal definition of the word/act
executivegirl...wheres your bit of wisdom for this thread. i could use a good laugh.
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jeanyu
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posted on October 8, 2001 02:08:15 PM new
DeSquirrel, great news! I foresee not a very successful future for this seller.
Go on and forget about it, and never ever bid on this person's auctions again, no matter how enticing it sounds.
And to boot, you negged the seller.
Enjoy eBay, but be wary---
And remember--there are alot of great sellers on eBay. You just hit a dud. A part of eBay and life in general.
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ok4leather
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posted on October 8, 2001 02:10:39 PM new
Its always good to look into a thing before you try and destroy someone over a misunderstanding - As someone already said it could be a misaddressed payment to the wrong account - Take the time to call the business and look a bit deeper before you go crazy over it - Worst case you could be pickin on a mad cannibal who needs just one little mishap to snap and come eat your cat. Its always nice to be nice. This thought always gives me a chuckle whenever I get mad over something and think about starting an online argument. Work it out or let it go,
Luck to ya friend
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engelskdansk
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posted on October 8, 2001 02:41:23 PM new
The title of this post clearly states the buyer's motivation -- and leaves me with no sympathy for him.
And as usual, other posters (like nowwaitaminuteder) excel in their petty, unprofessional "advice": TO QUOTE: "It is VERY easy to establish dozens of ID's to bid on sellers items or work up prices on the things the jerk is bidding on. I do that to deadbeats all the time. It is quite easy to milk bids as most people follow patterns when they bid. I learned quite a bit when i was a professional shill. Some people need some extra attention. It is also fun to do it to whiners on this board. It amazes me how easy it is to find most people ebay ID on this board."
Just another thread that serves no purpose with people who have nothing better to do with their time than brag about their illegal shenanigans.
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DeSquirrel
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posted on October 8, 2001 07:43:13 PM new
engelskdansk
The "turn the other cheek" stuff gets very tired the 3rd, 4th, or 5th time around. We live in the world of the rip-off now.
People steal $500 from you and you do nothing because a lawyer would charge $1000.
Holywood types sign a contract, have 1 big hit, and feel the need to "re-negotiate".
Call the police and tell them someone poisened your dog or stole your mailbox and watch them yawn as they take your statement.
The world of the rip-off where shoddy is in and you're required to join.
No way! I will spend $100 to reclaim the $20 STOLEN from me because the perpetrator cannot "break even".
I have been on eBay for many years and it is sad to see what has happened to it. You never had any problems, everyone was friendly and since they spent a fortune on their computer, they were usually hard working people with a sense of integrity. Now in the age where a computer can be purchased with the interest on your welfare check, we are supposed to be feasted on by people who have found a new gravy train???
Not me, I kill parasites.
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vargas
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posted on October 8, 2001 08:32:21 PM new
You never had any problems, everyone was friendly and since they spent a fortune on their computer, they were usually hard working people with a sense of integrity.
In my experience, eBay still is this way.
But then again, maybe it's a matter of attitude.
Not me, I kill parasites. Oh please.
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