posted on June 28, 2002 11:30:43 PM new
This buyer has been hounding me for feedback at least once a day for the last two weeks. Today he sends me this, "Good morning. Please, I'm asking you for the LAST time... to post feedback for me or get a neutral feedback from me. This is a simple request that'll only take a minute of your time to complete, so please honor my request to complete a FULL eBay transaction by posting appropiate feedback. I'll be looking for your response on this soon. Thank you for your time."I'll get a neutral feedback for not completing a "FULL transaction." What is this world coming to? I'll leave him a neg for harassing me if he really wants a feedback badly.
posted on June 29, 2002 12:18:28 AM new
Let's see. You can't really praise the person for being a pain. I guess you should just ignore him and take the neutral.
posted on June 29, 2002 02:43:24 AM new
Here is what I email them.
I do not participate in the eBay feedback system. If feedback is left for me I will leave it as a courtesy.
posted on June 29, 2002 04:51:47 AM new
Takes all kinds! I'd be tempted to wait for the neutral then neg the turkey. Bottomline they would never get pos fb from me.I would gather up all the emails and send them to eBay. Safeharbor has been changed, replaced, but there has to be a venue to file a complaint against someone doing a bad thing. What this seller is doing is using coercion, intimidation, and threats to receive a benefit. Plain and simple blackmail. Help eBay get rid of them.
posted on June 29, 2002 05:07:44 AM new
Snobbish has a very good question. Why did you not leave feedback for this buyer. Did they pay on time? Did you have to e-mail them many times to receive payment? If the answers are yes and no respectfully, then you already should have left positive feedback. What you are doing right now is called feedback holding and is very unprofessional. Yes it is true this person shouldn't be e-mailing many times asking for it, but you caused the situation by not completing your end.
alldings,
You need to reread the original post. It is the buyer asking the seller to fulfill their obligationm not the other way around.
[ edited by caffeitalia on Jun 29, 2002 05:10 AM ]
posted on June 29, 2002 05:50:34 AM new
If he doesn't participate in the ebay feedback system then why should he leave feedback. I think feedback is voluntary myself. I do leave it but I don't require my buyer to leave it also. It is just something I do but remember quickdraw says he doesn't participate in the ebay feedback system.
posted on June 29, 2002 09:12:32 AM new
The reason I don't give this person feedback is I protest ebay's feedback system. I've written ebay about it and they are content to leave it as is, and I'm content not to use and support it; However, since I do leave negs and neutrals, I try to balance out the karma by randomly leaving 25 people positives every six months, and I do it all at once to save time.
posted on June 29, 2002 09:18:14 AM new
--The reason I don't give this person feedback is I protest ebay's feedback system. I've written ebay about it and they are content to leave it as is, and I'm content not to use and support it; However, since I do eave negs and neutrals, I try to balance out the karma by randomly leaving 25 people positives every six months, and I do it all at once to save time.--
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So, because YOU don't like the eBays feedback system so YOU make all the other buyer's and seller's pay for it by NOT leaving them feedback....except of course for the 25 or so you leave every 6 months to "balance out YOUR karma" ...what a PEACH of a person you are! ....NOT!
posted on June 29, 2002 09:43:45 AM new
I'm sorry quickdraw, you said you are protesting the feedback system, BUT you are still using it to leave negs and nuetrals?
Thats not protesting it, thats abusing it. No matter if you do give 25 pos. randomly, or however you do it. If your going to protest it, don't leave any fb at all; pos. neutrals, or negs.
posted on June 29, 2002 01:40:33 PM new
"So, because YOU don't like the eBays feedback system so YOU make all the other buyer's and seller's pay for it by NOT leaving them feedback....except of course for the 25 or so you leave every 6 months to "balance out YOUR karma" ...what a PEACH of a person you are! ....NOT!"
Yes, isn't America great? I can choose not to participate in something that I don't like!
posted on June 29, 2002 01:55:47 PM new
NearTheSea, I'd agree except it's part of the game. It's a game that ebay created. They say, "ok buyers and sellers go at each other and destroy each others reputation." Meanwhile, who gets hurt also? Ebay. Does it look nice to new members when they see many other memebrs with negatives? Makes them think ebay is not worth dealing on.
At anytime someone doesn't want to be part of the game, just make your feedback private. Keep in mind, I'm all for ending this game, that's why I wrote ebay to change the fb system. Yes, people will get stepped on, I get stepped on all the time, but ebay if ebay cared they would make the necessary changes.
Also, would it be fair if I didn't warn other sellers about problem buyers? Another positive wouldn't help the buyers reputation, right? So I think it's fair how I dish out feedback.
posted on June 29, 2002 02:03:06 PM new"quickdraw says he doesn't participate in the ebay feedback system"
That is, of course, his choice. However, quickdraw do you mention that in your auctions?
There are some folks (as this buyer's emails show) who think it's very important and have a right to know if the person they are thinking of conducting business with does not participate in the system.
Then, they can decide to bid or pass and not be surprised when FB doesn't show up in their file.
posted on June 29, 2002 02:17:48 PM new
Sulyn1950, I don't think buyers have the "right to know" if I will leave feedback. They do have the right not to bid on my auction if my auction doesn't state my feedback policy.
If a return policy is important to you, would you bid on someone's auction that didn't state a return policy?
posted on June 29, 2002 02:42:33 PM new
Yes, isn't America great? I can choose not to participate in something that I don't like!
Excuse my ignorance...but isn't posting Neg's and Neutrals, PARTICIPATING?? I think you might want to check a dictionary.
I agree with NearTheSea 100% "Thats not protesting it, thats abusing it. No matter if you do give 25 pos. randomly, or however you do it. If your going to protest it, don't leave any fb at all; pos. neutrals, or negs."
Well Said!
I feel sorry for the poor eBay newbie that might stumble onto your auction first. s/he does everything right, and sits back to wait for thier very first feedback...but the poor sod's just wern't lucky enough to be one of your randomly selected few.
If you ever see my name bidding on one of your auctions...please let me know...so I can cancle my bid.
posted on June 29, 2002 03:28:31 PM new
I have 2 repeat buyers that have asked me not to leave feedback for anything that that they buy from me and almost every week they buy something from me.
posted on June 29, 2002 05:31:52 PM new
quickdraw, do you ship in used pizza boxes by any chance? your p*** poor attitude sure sounds familiar.
if the buyer paid promptly and followed your tos, then they deserve positive feedback or none at all. why not be honest and tell them you are too much of a jerk to leave feedback?
posted on June 29, 2002 08:26:28 PM new
Now I know how people like Martin Luther King or Abraham Licoln get assasinated even though they stand for a good cause.
If I am a jerk and I have a poor attitude, and some people judge me enough to say "do I ship in used pizza boxes, yet I have amassed over a thousand positive feedbacks with less than 2% negs, well, you all are poor judge of character so don't insult me with your immature and arrogant attitudes. You are spreading evil and hate and are embarrassing to the United States as a place of individuality.
Peace not war, and please use that smile muscle and spread cheer not anger. I stand for what I believe and whether you agree or not does not make me a jerk or have a poor attitude or whatever word you may choose.
[ edited by quickdraw29 on Jun 29, 2002 09:11 PM ]
posted on June 29, 2002 08:44:10 PM new... you already should have left positive feedback ....
That is absolutely incorrect.
QD, even though you say you don't participate, you reap the benefits of the system, so you do use it. Unless you keep your feedback private, I suppose.
If it happened to me (and it has happened several times), I would write the buyer something like this:
Please remember that feedback is optional, not mandatory, and not a part of the transaction. If you continue to harass me regarding feedback, you will receive a strong NEGATIVE from me.
Most eBay members are smart enough to know that trading negs over the seller's feedback policy is pointless.
posted on June 29, 2002 09:44:45 PM new
"even though you say you don't participate, you reap the benefits of the system, so you do use it. Unless you keep your feedback private."
I did go private once, and a buyer gave me a negative simply because he thought I was hiding something so he felt I deserved a neg, not for any other reason.
Since March I have conteplated going private agin, even discussed ways to go private, on this ebay board, so as not to hurt sales.
I don't even want the feedback. I wrote ebay to elminate my feedback altogether except for the number, and they wouldn't do it. I don't even want a Positive feedback number, just a sales number, as in I did x amount of sales on ebay.
When I buy, I don't even read feedback because it means nothing; it has no credibility. I don't care about someone's opinion, most people's opinions are based on bias and emotion.
posted on June 29, 2002 11:36:20 PM new
quickdraw29
I agree with the others on this one. If you don't want to participate (out of protest), don't leave feedback at all. Leaving neutrals and negs and a few token positives is ridiculous. You either participate or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
posted on June 30, 2002 05:28:30 AM new
If I am the buyer in the transaction I post feedback immediately upon receiving the item. If the seller leaves feedback for me, great, if not I leave it alone.
If I am the seller I leave feedback as soon as I know the individual has received the item and is pleased. As far as I'm concerned the transaction is now complete. Most of the time I receive feedback in return. If not, I leave that alone also.
The only situation in which I don't leave feedback right away is when the buyer refuses to respond to my inquiries concerning receiving the item and level of satisfaction. I will ask twice in 30 days if item has been received and whether buyer is satisfied. If I do not receive a response then I wait until the 90 day cut off and if I have not received feedback from the person I will leave feedback at that time.
The feedback system although flawed, is still the best (only) way to determine how dependable an individual will be during a transaction. This system is no different than word of mouth advertising. Refusing to participate or holding feedback hostage is an unfair and childish practice.
posted on June 30, 2002 07:03:28 AM new
****Now I know how people like Martin Luther King or Abraham Licoln get assasinated even though they stand for a good cause.****
I am sorry...but I sure don't remember reading in my history book that Linclon only wanted to free "25 randomly selected" slaves ever 6 months....for good karma
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