posted on November 3, 2002 02:22:39 PM
I have a buyer from 09/15/02 A newbe with 0 feedback I jumper thru all the hoops but still no payment He responded with a I'll send a money order but no payment came After a lot of unanswered emails I applied for fees. and sent a non paying bidder notice. I have not left feedback yet. He still has 0 feedback I hate to be the one to drive him to minus 1 . What would you do???
posted on November 3, 2002 02:35:13 PM
This is why I don't like leaving feedback first. If you neg him, you'll probably get a neg in return. By applying for fvf, you put a strike against him with ebay, but no trail back to you. 3 strikes and he's out. end of story.
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posted on November 3, 2002 03:17:05 PM
I was just wondering, did you advise him of th consequences of NPB? I have done this a couple of times & the payment came through. As far a neg, I would give him one. I have 6 all reailitories, & it hasn't hurt me one d### bit. It is <MHO> the too much is made of receiving a neg, if it is a retalitory. I am selling more & getting great feedbacks
posted on November 4, 2002 02:30:42 AM
Leave the NEG!! I have left three for this very reason in the last month with no retaliation. If we are all afraid of using the feedback system then it is our fault when we get stuck by these deadbeats....how will the next seller know this guy didn't pay you?
If you leave a neg on the 29th of the month and he leaves you one on the 30th of the month...any fool can see what he did.
posted on November 4, 2002 06:32:52 AM
I agree with rarriffle. Please leave that Neg. if it is deserved. The feedback system is'nt perfect...but it does serve a purpose... to tell fellow users what your experience with other buyers/ sellers has been. You have the opportunity to leave a reply/explanation IF the deadbeat does leave you retaliatory negative feedback, so don't worry about it. In your explanation, you just state that this person was a non-paying customer who left you retaliatory feedback..end of story. If you have a relatively clean record, no body cares if you have a few negs. It comes with the territory, especially as a seller.
Leaving feeback and following through with the NPB process to the end is our only way of getting rid of deadbeats (buyers and sellers).
posted on November 4, 2002 07:30:27 AM
I have NEG'ged over 300 deadbeats and have filed fees on hundreds as well.
I am proud that I have helped NARU many BAD bidders.
Wear the retaliatory with pride, if it ever comes.
I've gotten less than ten in retaliation for negging / filing npb's.
*still wish they'd convert the Neg's to Neutrals when a DeadBeat becomes NARU but such is life*
posted on November 4, 2002 08:14:51 AMmcjaneNegs do not hurt buyers, they hurt sellers. Negatives do not look good on a sellers FB page, retalitory or not. File for FVF & skip the FB.
A cigar for mcjane. She understands the feedback system. Filing a NPB gets you your FVF's back, and it puts a strike against the buyer putting him closer to getting NARU'd. There are valid business reasons to do that.
Leaving the buyer a negative feedback does nothing to the buyer, unless you baby sit your auctions. The buyer is free to snipe any auction there is no affect on him from a negative feedback. The only thing you might do is piss off the buyer who can hurt you as a seller a lot more than you can hurt him.
There are no valid business reasons to leave a negative feedback to a buyer.
posted on November 4, 2002 09:13:39 AM
There are valid reasons why sellers shouldn't police eBay['s site.
Back when you could skip through eBay's feedback screens, I once accidentally left negative feedback for about 20 paying customers. I don't leave neg feedback any more unless a particular customer seriously cheeses me off. However, I do file NPB. I figure, if it's a serious eBayer, the first NBP warning will be enough and they will get on track. If not, then it's the kind of bidder who will keep deadbeating until they get blocked.
posted on November 4, 2002 09:23:40 AMBack when you could skip through eBay's feedback screens, I once accidentally left negative feedback for about 20 paying customers. I don't leave neg feedback any more unless a particular customer seriously cheeses me off. However, I do file NPB. I figure, if it's a serious eBayer, the first NBP warning will be enough and they will get on track. If not, then it's the kind of bidder who will keep deadbeating until they get blocked.
Just curious. If you file on a buyer and he gets a final NPB and understands how serious it is, especially if they have one on their record already, and retailiates with an unfair negative feedback would you simply shrugg that off or return with either a neutral or negative feedback? What if you had a perfect rating that was ruined because of your filing a final NPB? That is another flaw in the ebay feedback system.
posted on November 4, 2002 10:33:25 AMtooltimesWhat if you had a perfect rating that was ruined because of your filing a final NPB? That is another flaw in the ebay feedback system.
Filing a NPB is purely a business decision. While I might not be able to justify leaving a negative feedback I can justify filing a NPB to prevent eBay from profiting because a bidder wasn't serious. In turn it's in eBay's best interest to remove bidders that outbid serious buyers that would have resulted in eBay getting its FVF's.
Yes the feedback system is flawed, a buyer shouldn't be able to leave a negative feedback to a seller that has filed a NPB in most cases.
posted on November 4, 2002 02:23:36 PM
if you and any other sellers would neg him he wouldn't be at 0 he would be a -1 at least...that would make other sellers take notice when he bids on their items.
if he had been -1, you would have been concerned enough to look at the feedback when he bid and you would have had a chance to deal with it before he won your auction.
the feedback system may be flawed but it is the only warning system we have to warn other sellers.
posted on November 4, 2002 05:50:58 PM
McJane is 100% correct, negatives only hurt sellers, not buyers (unless they are stupid enough to buy on an account they mainly sell from) - As far as helping the next seller, I don't know about you, but I do not review the feedback of my buyers. I'll start leaving negative feedback when retalitory feedback gets removed by ebay. I am not expecting them to do this, so I guess I won't play the game the way it is set up. I certainly will (and do) file FVF, that is what gets deadbeats kicked off anyway. That info should be publicly available, that is more relevant for a seller than negative feedback
