excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 01:46:21 PM
This post is the "Second Chapter", of a post I made in this forum on Friday April the 16th, 2004.
Great after this scrupulous "Scum Bag", "Cleans Out", my Ebay Store, and places a bid on every single one of my auctions in an ill fated attempt to destroy my Feedback rating... guess what his "Aol Email Address" not surprisingly is "Bogus"/"Bouncing".
As many of you are all already aware of the only thing an individual needs to establish an Ebay account as a new Ebay user is a "Paid ISP Account", such as AOl...which means no credit card info, Bank accent info, on file directly with Ebay... meaning the only way I can track this "Scumbag", down is to figure out who the registered user of the Aol Email address is?
This "Scumbag", had to check the AOL email account he established with Aol in order to activate his new Ebay account. Does anyone know of a way in which I can proceed forward with this case? Please any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Im almost 100% positive Aol wont divulge this information to me, however if Ebay asks Aol directly for this individuals contact info
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greatlakes
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posted on April 18, 2004 02:10:18 PM
Since he made "purchases" you should be able to pull his contact information, this will include his name and phone number.
If the phone number is valid, you should be able to do a reverse phone number search and find his name and address.
If his emails are bouncing or his phone number turns out to be invalid, report him to ebay for bad contact information.
Bad contact info of any kind will get you NARU faster than anything else.
Be sure to pull his contact information before you report him for bad contact info. Once he's NARU you can't pull contact info any more.
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Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
Woody Allen
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excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 02:29:44 PM
That's the thing this person entered in all my contact info when registering their new Ebay account! It's obviously someone I was previously involved in a transaction with who has access to all my peronal info ....."
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greatlakes
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posted on April 18, 2004 03:00:34 PM
This person registered as YOU!!!
Have you reported this to ebay?
I would go to live help, ASAP.
This is Identity theft! You should report it to the police.
Then submit the police report to ebay.
I'm sure someone else will come along who will have better suggestions.
Does this guy currently have anything on auction or BIN right under his real ID?
Hopefully, he used his real information to register his selling account. Do you know anyone who would bid for you and then pull his contact info? Best not to interact with this guy or let him know your the one pulling his info.
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Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
Woody Allen
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excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 05:15:28 PM
The Ebay member in question didn't open up a "Sellers Account". Ebay has already suspended this members Account, which they registered with an AOL account so I'm having trouble getting their contact info....any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
RC
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fenix03
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posted on April 18, 2004 05:34:15 PM
You need to go to the Live Help and do it quickly. they have set you up for suspension. They set up the account in your name giving the apparearance of shill bidding when they bid on your auctions. Add to that the fact that that account has now been suspended, they can report your current active account as linked to a suspended account and try to have you suspended. It's time to stop messing around with us and start getting a hold of ebay. Hit their Live Help area, post on their monitored boards that you are having a problem with a competing seller utilizing ebays venue to perpetrate fraud and identity theft.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 05:41:29 PM
Felix,
They only purshaced items in my Ebay Store with the BIN option as payment....so obviously shill bidding isn't a concern in this case...what is a concern is "Identity Theft, and a host of other problems.....thanks for you help
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excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 05:45:33 PM
Does anyone have the link for "Live Help".....Thank you everyone for your help.
RC
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Libra63
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posted on April 18, 2004 06:00:15 PM
Question? Then why in order for me to sell and pay direct with my checking account I must have an active credit card on File. I know I saved the email from ebay but I can't put my fingers on it right now. Doesn't the person bidding on his auctions have to have a current credit card to identify that that the CC holder and person are one in the same? Has eBay changed the rules in order for anyone to buy or sell and they don't need to identify themselves? Since eBay is only a venue I guess nobody is protected. This is rather confusing to me so I guess I will just have to back and read the posts again. Isn't selling on eBay fun you never know who is going to stab you in the back. No pun intended. Good Luck
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Libra63
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posted on April 18, 2004 06:09:08 PM
http://pages.ebay.com/
There is an icon in the left upper part of the page that says live help click that and you will get a box to enter your question. Good Luck
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excelrye
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posted on April 18, 2004 06:14:55 PM
To answer your question the following makes perfect sence for Ebay now doesn't it?
If your a seller naturally you have to have a credit card, or bank account on file so they can charge your credit card, or Bank Account on file the billions of dollars they make each year off of listing fees, final value fees, etc. However think about it, if your a buyer what do they have to lose?
As an Ebay buyer you have no listing fees, final value fees etc, just an account in which you can basically destroy someones business with in a matter of hours!
Infact Ebay probably realizes that many people have reservations about putting their credit card, bank account on file. Hence is why if one has a registered email address with a paid ISP, which has all your pertinent info, maybe this will detract people from fraullous claims....if they have "Half A Brain"
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jackswebb
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posted on April 18, 2004 06:24:59 PM
Somewhere I saw it, for a lousy $5.00 e bay wll let you in. Verisign or something like that. $5.00, No problem.
Buy Smarter, Live longer,,,,Sell HIGH, LIVE Even LONGER!.... Have A Beautiful E bay day.
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stonecold613
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posted on April 18, 2004 09:14:19 PM
Doesn't the person bidding on his auctions have to have a current credit card to identify that that the CC holder and person are one in the same?
No. Well not really. Let me explain.
If you register to be a buyer with a free e-mail service like Yahoo or Hotmail, then yes, you must register with a credit card. But if you have a pay service like AOL, earthlink, ect., then Ebay assumes that the pay services have already confirmed who you are and will accept that as confirmation of who you are. In this case, he/she registered with AOL and that is all ebay cares about.
Now to be a seller, you must have a credit card on file, no exceptions.
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Libra63
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posted on April 18, 2004 10:04:52 PM
Thanks for the info I didn't realize it. It was so long ago I registered but, when you register you don't register as a buyer or a seller you just register. I am sure I used a credit card when I did and I was just a looker figuring out what to do.
excelrye-did you make it to live help?
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sparkz
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posted on April 18, 2004 10:22:12 PM
Why don't you set up a throwaway account and bid on one of his auctions? Pull his contact info and find out who he is and where he lives. If it's within convenient driving distance, I have a plan that just may work.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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excelrye
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posted on April 19, 2004 12:16:50 AM
Update:
Ebay has replied two times in reference to this claim, and as far their concerned... there is "Nothing They Can Do"
I have contact both AOl, and my Lawyer. Tommorow my Lawyer will fill out all the neccessary paperwork needed in order to hopefully obtain this Aol members Name, contact info etc. I'll keep you guys updated.
RC
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cblev65252
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posted on April 19, 2004 04:38:52 AM
there is "Nothing They Can Do"
Isn't that just ducky. How about suspending this moron forever? How about dumping all his auctions? eBay must be making a pretty penny off this guy to say they can do nothing. They've dumped my auctions over a stupid script. But then, I'm just small potatoes.
Cheryl
http://www.kcskorner.com
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 19, 2004 05:59:36 AM
maybe because this person hasn't actually "done" anything yet... unfortunatley they have to wait for the non-paying BS to start 
However invalid email addresses and contact should get them suspended
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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fenix03
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posted on April 19, 2004 08:36:54 AM
Twelve - they bought out store with no intention of paying with an account where they registered under a false name following up threats against the ebay seller. Ebay abslutely can and should be doing something about it. How strange that they can monitor these board to pull all questionable auctions listed on it but sit idly by as one of their sellers openly harrasses and causes financial damage to one of their sellers.
Oh well. Take heart Excel - Now that you have informed ebay of the threats and actions of this seller and Ebay has done nothing to curtail them, they become an accessory to any future acts.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 19, 2004 08:42:15 AM
I am not saying they shouldn't act... but heaven forbid you would want a "knee jerk reaction"
What is time limit for payment at a Store? And we all know the hoops for NPB on and auction...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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fenix03
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posted on April 19, 2004 09:00:22 AM
Twelve - What knee jerk reaction? Unless you believe that Excel is a schitzophenic whose other personality registered an account under his/her name and address and bought out everything in their store.
There is a big difference between a "borderline" statement (which became even more borderline with with further clarification) and a brand new account cropping up mysteriously in your name, buying out your entire inventory costing you all of those lovely ebay fees plus time and energy in "restocking" the day after you get a letter threaening to inhibit your ability to do business.
By all mean, if anything like this happens to you, I think that you should wait at least three weeks before acting  ........but I think that Excel should act now.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Apr 19, 2004 09:56 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 19, 2004 09:17:21 AM
LOL I was jerking your chain...
I agree act now but if eBay won't help sounds like the lawyer route is the way to go.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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fenix03
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posted on April 19, 2004 09:54:47 AM
LOL I was jerking your chain...
Say it ain't so!
Just think... eBay deciding not not to take action could be more profitable in the long run. By refusing to act on a blatant act of fraud and deceit they became a silent partener in this attempt to inhibit Excels ability to make a living. Lawyers love these kinds of things. Sure thie little guy is probably scraping by with nothing to attach judgement to but his protector has a nice deep pockets. 
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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lowprofile
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posted on April 20, 2004 10:28:44 AM
I had this happen to me. I emailed Ebay and they refunded all my fees for the listings and Final Value, they suspended the bidder and removed all the negative feedback...it took about a month , Different depts at Ebay had to do it all
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excelrye
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posted on April 20, 2004 01:34:45 PM
I hired a Lawyer, and were going after this "Scumbag". Were making progress, I'll keep you guys posted.
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throughhiker
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posted on May 27, 2004 06:55:16 AM
bump
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JUNEBUG27
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posted on May 27, 2004 10:07:43 AM
Excel-All I can say is that I am sorry this has happened to you..It is eye-opening for all us sellers because it could happen any of us. Ebay's typical "cant do anything for you" response is no big surprise. My question is do you use a PO box for your Ebay address. I think this is important for all sellers due to the high number of Looney Toons running around out there
Good Luck
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