posted on September 2, 2005 02:45:37 PM new
OMG I just got this in my Yorkie Rescue newsletter:
To all YTNR
I have been watching the news like I am sure everyone has been on
Hurricane Katrina devestation. Here in Florida on the channel Wesh Tv 2 they
have said a number of times that the animals found will be euthanized
instead of going to shelters. I know that if I was part of loosing
everything to my name the last thing I would be able to bear would be
knowing that if my animal was found there would be no chance of a loving
home. This whole comment has just disgusted me. I have thought of the cost
since these animals I am sure need shots to keep from disease from the
standing water but I just don't understand why they cant have a separate
donation fund for people to donate to these animals. When the news made this
comment they were showing a dog that they said had tags on with his name and
he was just gulping water from a water bottle. I already emailed the news
station telling them how I just felt this was cruelty how most animal owners
and lovers look at them just as they would a human being (I know I
do!!!!)Mine are my kids and if they see people walking around without their
home they do not euthanize them! Thank you for listening I just really
needed to vent as this has brought many tears to my eyes thinking about it.
Jennifer Schaich
DeBary, Florida
Subject: Re: My feelings on the devestation
Hi,
I am in Louisians. Many of the cities surrounding NO have set up shelters for the animals along side the humans. I have listened to TV 2, and, hearing the stories first hand from the refugees. TV 2 is giving the white bread version. There will be no animals to euthanize. In all of the hours of footage on New Orleans I have not seen a single animal. What is really happening there is so horrible it can not be repeated here. I guess the point of this response it that I would not believe what you are hearing on TV 2. Animals are being sheltered. The ones left in NO will probably not survive, but not because of euthanasia. There will be no humans there to euthanize them.
Financial donations are being
accepted to fund the care of the displaced animals through the Walter J. Ernst
Jr. Foundation at LVMA. Call 1-800-928-LVMA or visit www.lvma.org for more information.
Louisiana Animal Control Association
A regional donation center is being established. Our needs include: NEW
large air kennels and metal cages, leashes, disposable bowls, canned cat and dog
food, disposable litter pans, spray bleach, paper towels, sheets, towels, locks, hoses, bottled water, trash cans, trash bags, pooper scoopers, cat litter, extension cords, fans. The media will be advised of the address once determined.
Contact names:
Corporate Giving
Amber Bethel
504-329-5220 or 504-400-7761
National Animal Welfare Groups Coordinator
Laura Maloney
225-413-8813 or 504-329-5207
LSU Agriculture Center Shelter Manager=20
Dr. Paula Drone
225-572-0732
Animal Recovery in New Orleans
Kathryn Destreza (primary)
225-413-9150 or 504-329-5209
Laura Maloney (secondary)
225-413-8813 or 504-329-5207
Donation Center Manager
Gloria Dauphin
(phone number TBD)
State Veterinary Liaison
Renee Poirrier
337-981-8587 or 337-298-1636
Louisiana Animal Control Association
Dez Crawford
225-772-7287
Hilton Cole
225-772-7287
Hotline for Addresses of Confined Animals TBD
LSU Veterinary School
Dr. Rebecca Adcock 225-578-982
Here is the information from UT
A MESSAGE FROM THE DEAN
We at the School of Veterinary Medicine, like everyone else in
the country, are overwhelmed by what we have seen on the news in the wake of
Hurricane Katrina. In an effort to help our colleagues and fellow citizens,
the School is working with the Louisiana Veterinary Medical Association, the
Louisiana Animal Control Association, and the Louisiana SPCA to provide
shelter and care for those pets that have traveled with their owners from
the flooded areas and animals that have been rescued from those areas.
The School's faculty, staff and students are volunteering their
time at the Parker Coliseum on the LSU campus and the Lamar-Dixon Expo
Center in Gonzales, La., where animals are being sheltered. This is not
something that will end in a few days. The School will require on-going support from
the community. We desperately need volunteers, especially veterinarians and
veterinary technicians, to help us in this effort. Non-veterinary
volunteers are also welcome, though only those people that have been
vaccinated for rabies will be able to work directly with the animals.
The animal shelters are in dire need of large crates and cages.
The volunteers also need ice, beverages and food. Other animal supplies,
such as food, cat litter, pooper scoopers, vaccines, antibiotics, bandages,
and catheters are also welcome and needed. Monetary donations can be made
to the Louisiana Veterinary Medical Association by calling 1-800-524-2996 or
225-928-5862. You can also download a donation form at the LVMA website at
www.lvma.org or send a check or money order made payable to the
Dr. WalterJ. Ernst Jr. Veterinary Memorial Foundation
8550 United Plaza Blvd., Suite
1001, Baton Rouge, LA 70809
posted on September 2, 2005 04:07:10 PM new
Thank you for posting all the info! I think in such a devastating event, the pets could easily be forgotten. Of course, that's the first thing I think of - what about the pets. Personally they would be the first to be packed up and evacuated with us.
I hope hotels let up on any no pets policy for those who evacuated before the storm. But can you imagine their faces when we showed up with all 11 dogs - our 3 and the 8 puppies!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 2, 2005 11:41:36 PM new
Caroline, my first thoughts were the same as your's "what about the pets"
What reduced me to tears was watching, on TV, a man being rescued by boat from his roof top while leaving his dog, a Doberman behind. I cannot forget the bewildered & expectant expression on that dog's face watching as his master left him there helpless & alone. Probably to die.
My God, how could he do such a thing & live with himself.
I can't even describe the hatred I feel for that man.
posted on September 3, 2005 05:50:20 AM new
On his behalf though, the rescue team might not have allowed him to take his dog. I did just hear on Fox News that the SPCA is now taking rescue requests for pets left behind. They will break in to the home specified and rescue the pets upon request.
They are also now beginning the process of matching up pets and owners and taking calls from people who are missing pets.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 3, 2005 05:32:10 PM new
I totally concur ..the "other friends" desperately need our help.
I sent money.
My hubby and I get to live in our Kobe's home.(grin) Kobe rules! He is little poodle but he runs the show. I read that some dogs may understand about 200 words, well Kobe must be a genius, he understands many more.
Seriously, the plight of these poor animals should not be overlooked.
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posted on September 3, 2005 06:47:31 PM new
Tom, you would never ever let that happen. I don't know for sure what you would do, but you would NEVER leave Ralphie.
I am 100% certain of that.
Caroline, I'm sure that's true, but I couldn't leave, I just couldn't do it. I would tell them to leave me some water & crackers or if not then tell someone where I am & that I have my pet with me.
I would spend the rest of my life in absolute misery if I left my pet behind & I couldn't live with that.
I hope they do a follow up & let us know if the SPCA rescued that dog.
I would like to see more on TV about what they are doing for the animals.
Yeah, Ralphie & I are gonna sit down tomorrow and try to finalize our evacuation plan
The KATRINA disaster has really knocked my socks off -- we are petrified...
The biggest problemo is that I no-longer drive, due to the huge quantities of opiod pain-killers I take combined with the fact that my arms don't really work
Plus, I'm getting sick & tired of FAT-BOY constantly telling me that we should have stayed in BOSTON!
posted on September 4, 2005 09:12:32 PM new
Tom...A couple of suggestions. First, get a car. Don't bother to even get current registration or insurance. Just have it handy with a full tank and a charged battery. If you can get 100 miles inland from a cat 5 landfall, all you have to worry about is a cat 3, which is bad, but surviveable. The further inland you get, the safer you will be. Second, you might want to stash a little cash. Hire some teenager to get you and Ralphie to an airport and get either a commercial or private flight out. It's o.k. to stock up on provisions to ride out a cat 2 quake, even though it's dangerous, but don't even consider remaining in JAX if a cat 3 or higher is lurking in the neighborhood. Don't worry about getting stranded inland. You can always bribe someone to use their computer long enough to send out an SOS here and we can get you home when the wind dies down.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on September 4, 2005 09:41:10 PM new
Before you decide to hate evacuees that leave their pets perhaps you should be aware that they have no choice. Animals are not being rescued. Right now the emphasis of this is saving human lives. There are a limited number of hours in each day... how many of those should be spent airlifting pets as opposed to the next person down the street?
Don't get me wrong, I love animals, have a couple myself but how would you feel if one of your loved ones died because rescue crews were delayed in getting to them while they picked up someones pet?
This is not a best case situation...it's bare bones.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
posted on September 4, 2005 10:20:51 PM new
Tom, another plan could be to make a deal. Money, barter or whatever with a friend or a neighbor & make them understand Ralphie comes too, no if's ands or buts.
Your right, you must have a plan for the both of you & you must do it now.
You know I lost my house to hurricane Isabel & I now have a plan, three places I can go if another hurricane comes this far up the coast. I will never take a chance again because of several trees so near our house that it could easily happen again & I may not be so lucky next time. My pets will go with me & I have two large cages ready for my 7 cats & just leashes for the 2 dogs.
Now if what happened in the South happened here I don't know what I could do, but I doubt if it ever will. I live in PA, near Wilmington, DE. No real flooding threat in this area.
fenix, I know your right, really I do, but I can't help the way I feel. I'm overboard on animals & can't change. When the tree smashed into our house my first thoughts were, my God where are my pets. Every one survived, no injuries, 7 cats & 2 dogs.
We even lived in a crowded trailer, the insurance company provided, on the lower level of our acre for 1.5 years until our new house was built just so our cats & dogs could be at home.
Tom & Ralphie get cracking on that plan & if need be jump on a plane, you are welcome to ride out the storm here with me.
posted on September 5, 2005 03:39:18 AM new
There was a story on MSNBC and a man was being interviewed after he swam for 3 hours with his 3 dogs because he would not leave them. He started crying just mentioning that he wasn't able to board the rescue boat with them so he said he wasn't going. I wish there was a way to offer shelter here for him and his 3 dogs I really admire him for sticking to his principles. (I most likely could not swim with my animals as I have 6 cats that are not fond of swimming!) We do have 2 med and 2 large crates that could house them all. I have an extra large, great dane size, carrier that we could use to hold a litter box or even rescue an animal off the street.
We live in the Central Valley of California so the likelyhood of earthquakes here are not near as great as when we lived in the Bay Area. I was born and raised there so I grew up with emergency food, water, and evacuation plans all my life. It also just comes second nature to my kids.
The ASPCA has been going in to get the animals that are left behind. They were able to purchase 1000 crates, Petco donated 100 crates and someone else, I don't remember who, donated 90. I gave my money to the ASPCA. 100% of the money they raise goes to shelters in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.
Tom, please get a evac plan in order...you have to plan for both of you, Ralphie can't do it...I know I would never leave even one of my cats, and you would never leave Ralphie-Boston-Red-Sox!
I thought there was a shelter at the Suwannee River State park that allowed pets.
I know locally that most hotels don't take pets but they said they relaxed the rule for the evacuees and allowed them.
Did you see on TV the couple that hired a limousine service to take them from New Orleans to Atlanta for $1,000 and said it was worth every cent? Another one told about the cab they hired - maybe that was the $1,000 one.
posted on September 5, 2005 05:55:44 PM new
Yes, the 3 dogs were with the man when he was interviewed. They were pretty good size too...maybe 150-160 lbs.
posted on September 6, 2005 05:54:23 AM new
I saw on Fox news last night one of the people that was refusing to leave New Orleans - it was because she would NOT leave her dog and they would not let her take it with her. She had not been flooded out as badly as others.
Every day she would take food and supplies to the Interstate where everyone had been gathering. But she would not leave town without her dog - which looked like a Chow. Perhaps that's why nobody would let her take it - Chow's are notoriously mean. I had one years ago, I can't advise you enough not to get one. I let my roommate keep her when we moved as she was more attached (it was a jointly owned dog).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 6, 2005 06:09:27 AM new
Unfortunately, NO ONE was allowed to take any pets, dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, gerbils, none! There have been many articles about this and it is just heartbreaking.
One boy had to leave his dog "Snowball". It was shown on TV that he cried so hard, he threw up, one woman in another state donated $500 so he and his family could get a hotel room that allows dogs. I don't know whatever happened there, but I know I wouldn't leave my animals either. Another guy was going to stay in NO because he couldn't evacuate with his dog. He said his dog was his only solice during this horrible time and he wasn't leaving him.
I wonder what effect this will have on the kids, losing everything they own ALONG with their beloved pets...losing that unconditional love received from their pets may outweigh losing the material things.
posted on September 6, 2005 07:26:00 AM new
Refusing to Leave Them Behind, Evacuees Smuggled Their Pets Out With Them
By Carrie Allan
Sunday, September 4
Dohnn Moret Williams isn’t going back to New Orleans. There’s nothing for him there now, he says. His former home is underwater, and he assumes all his possessions are ruined or stolen. His elderly father lived nearby, and while Moret Williams is hoping for the best, he’s assuming the worst. “We think he’s dead,” he says. His voice is tired and dreadfully blank.
With all that’s happened to him in the past week—the loss of home, friends, and probably family; the frightening journey out of the city and into the chaotic environs of the Houston Astrodome, his temporary new home—it might seem strange that today Moret Williams was crying out of relief and happiness. “I spent most of the morning crying when I knew I could come get him,” he says, gazing down at the dog at his feet.
He’s just reclaimed Sebastian, a large black cocker spaniel with red markings above his brown eyes, from his temporary shelter at the Houston SPCA. “Sebastian Moret,” Moret Williams specifies, emphasizing the dog’s second name, the one that defines the animal as part of his family. “I got no children. This here’s my baby.”
Black Bag Operation
Moret Williams and Sebastian left New Orleans together. Sebastian floated on an air mattress at his owner’s side as Moret Williams waded through polluted, neck-deep floodwater, pulling the mattress along with him. Man and beast managed to reach an elevated portion of Interstate 10, but the helicopters that were taking evacuees to buses weren’t allowing pets on board.
“There was no way I was leaving without him,” Moret Williams says, and so he did what so many have had to do in the past week: He improvised. He put Sebastian in a large black trash bag and begged him not to make noise.
Amazingly, the dog obeyed, though he did squirm at one point—a point that could have ruined the whole plan. “He bumped against the pilot,” Moret Williams says, a small smile creeping onto his face. “The pilot just goes, ‘I didn’t see nothing.’ ”
The pet owner’s black bag operation was secret enough to get the pair a one-way ticket to Houston on a bus that also didn’t accept animals. Sebastian made the whole trip with his nose sticking out the top of the bag. And when they arrived at the Astrodome on Friday, the staff of the Houston SPCA were waiting, ready to offer shelter to Sebastian while Moret Williams became one more evacuee looking to scratch out a new life. Today, he has plans to stay with his sister—and thanks to the SPCA, he has his baby back.
Lola's Story
Moret Williams is not alone in the extraordinary measures he took to keep his beloved pet safe. The Houston SPCA is full of pets of evacuees, and Jim Boller, director of shelter and field services for the organization, estimates that only half a dozen out of hundreds actually came "legally," meaning properly leashed or in crates. While a few of the bus drivers relented on the “no pets” rule—the adult great Dane being held at the shelter “probably drove the bus,” HSPCA volunteer Steve Rundell jokes—the majority of the animals who’ve arrived with the victims were stowaways, brought out of the city by hook or by crook by owners unwilling to leave them behind. The two ferrets arrived in the oversized pockets of a young girl. A parakeet was concealed in a makeup case. Chihuahuas and kittens came in women’s purses.
Then there was Lola. Earlier this week, Boller was helping with pet intake at the Astrodome in the middle of the night when the lovebird arrived. The young woman who brought the bird obviously hadn’t slept for days, and she mentioned having come from the Superdome. All she and her little boy had with them was a small plastic bag of personal items, and Lola—although the bird was not immediately apparent to Boller’s eyes. The woman told him, “I’ve got something for you,” and then pressed her breasts together slightly and rolled her shoulders in a way that might have seemed suggestive in another context. Lola the lovebird popped up out of her cleavage, having spent most of the bus trip tucked inside her owner’s bra.
All They Have Left
In spite of the dire straits many of the evacuees face, the SPCA has already helped 30 animals at the shelter reunite with their families. The reunited pets aren’t just dogs and cats and parakeets: One of the reclaimed animals was a chicken who’d been raised “from a peep” by the man who came to take her home. “This chicken obviously knew the guy,” Boller says. He notes that many of the folks coming off the buses at the Astrodome were reluctant to let the SPCA take the animals in. “These animals are all that some of these people have left,” Boller says.
For a week now, the papers have been filled with stories of human suffering. In the face of such an enormous crisis, it’s easy to understand why many people choose to focus on the human side of this tragedy. Thousands of people are suddenly homeless and unemployed. Thousands have lost loved ones. Whole towns have been wiped off the map, and rebuilding will take years in the areas where it’s even possible. The needs for shelter and support are growing by the day, and the death toll in Louisiana and Mississippi is likely to rise by hundreds.
But Dohnn Moret Williams and his dog Sebastian, Lola the bosom-smuggled lovebird, and the hundreds of other animals carried out of New Orleans are a reminder of how much people love their pets, the extraordinary measures they will take to protect them, and what a great comfort animals can provide in the face of trauma. Animals are victims of this disaster as well, and disaster relief personnel heading into Louisiana and Mississippi to rescue the animals left behind are not just helping animals. They’re helping people, many of whom suddenly have nothing, to go on with their lives with a friend at their side.
posted on September 6, 2005 10:17:01 AM new
Thanks for posting that article! My female boxer is named Lola, and along with 2 other Boxers and 2 cockatiels - we would have had quite a time sneaking our pets anywhere! (not to mention the 8 puppies we have currently).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 6, 2005 12:14:34 PM new
It's not fair, not right to the people AND the animals that there were no immediate plans for rescue. After all the city is below sea level, this was bound to happen & so many animals had no chance at all.
We certainly seem to be ready & one of the first on the scene when another country needs help & by the way where are "they" now that we need "them"
I believe we were even criticised because our initial cash contribution for the sunami was not enough.
posted on September 6, 2005 01:01:25 PM new
McJane...It hasn't been in the headlines, but the offers of aid from other countries has been quite overwhelming. Here's a recent list. Pay particular attention to the offers from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who's energy minister stated "It's time for payback" :
Back to Story - Help
Countries Offering U.S. Aid for Katrina
Many nations have offered the United States aid in dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, including an agreement by European governments to release 2 million barrels of oil per day from strategic reserves. Other offers include:
• AFGHANISTAN: $100,000.
• ARGENTINA: Six disaster relief and rescue coordinators.
• AUSTRALIA: $8 million to American Red Cross.
• AUSTRIA: Water pumps, plastic sheets, cots; An Austrian Red Cross team is in Houston to set up a communication network.
• BAHAMAS: $50,000 for U.S. victims and additional aid to Bahamian citizens in stricken areas.
• CANADA: three navy ships, a coast guard vessel, several Sea King helicopters and about 1,000 personnel, including navy divers to help clear waterways and inspect damaged levees.
• CHILE: Plans to contact U.S. authorities to see what is needed.
• CHINA: $5 million to aid survivors. Says it will help with medical treatment and epidemic prevention if necessary.
• COLOMBIA: Offers rescue and paramedic teams.
• CUBA: Offers 1,100 doctors.
• CZECH REPUBLIC: Rescue teams, field hospital and pumps and water processing equipment, as well as transport planes.
• DENMARK: Water purification units.
• DOMINICA: Police to help patrol disaster zone.
• DOMINICAN REPUBLIC: Offers rescue workers, doctors and nurses.
• EL SALVADOR: 100 army troops, including medical personnel and engineers.
• FINLAND: A search-and-rescue team.
• FRANCE: Flying in 300 tents, 980 cots; 60 generators, three water purification units; 30 water pumps. Offering aircraft and two ships with helicopters, disaster unit with 20 soldiers, civil defense detachment of 35 people.
• GERMANY: 40,000 meals; 30,000 more coming. Offering medical supplies, vaccination teams, water purification equipment, medical evacuation aircraft and crisis management experts.
• GREECE: Two cruise ships to help house homeless, as well as relief supplies and rescue crews.
• GUATEMALA: 80 specialists from army, health and interior departments.
• HONDURAS: 134-member medical and rescue brigade. Mayor of capital, Tegucigalpa, offers a similar group.
• INDIA: $5 million to American Red Cross. Offering medical teams with experience in waterborne diseases and to set up community water purification plants.
• INDONESIA: Medical team of 45 doctors and 155 other staff and 10,000 blankets.
• IRAN: Offers to dispatch unspecified aid through its Red Crescent agency if needed.
• ISRAEL: Sending medical team. Offering hundreds of doctors, trauma experts and other medical staff as well as field hospital.
• ITALY: 300 cots, 300 blankets, 600 sheets, a water pump, six life rafts, 11,200 chlorine tablets, first-aid kits; baby food.
• JAPAN: $1 million in aid and offers to send tents, blankets, power generators and portable water tanks.
• KOSOVO: $500,000.
• KUWAIT: $500 million worth of oil and other aid.
• LITHUANIA: Rescue teams, meals, building materials.
• LUXEMBOURG: two jeeps, 1,000 cots, 2,000 blankets.
• MEXICO: Navy ship carrying food, amphibious vehicles, helicopters and medical team to arrive Wednesday. Fifteen army vehicles carrying food, health brigades, water-treatment plants and mobile kitchens with capacity to feed 7,000 people a day heading to U.S. border. Government sets up bank accounts to collect donations and donates $1 million. Offer comes from search-and-rescue group called "topos" — "moles" — organized by youths digging through collapsed buildings after Mexico City's 1985 earthquake.
• THE NETHERLANDS: A frigate with water, medicine, helicopters and beds to arrive Wednesday. Three giant water pumps have been offered, as well as expertise in dike and water engineering, and forensic ID help.
• NEW ZEALAND: $1.4 million. Government has also offered to send an urban search and rescue team, a disaster victim identification team or recovery personnel.
• NICARAGUA: Flooding and sanitation experts.
• NORWAY: Navy divers, 10,000 blankets and unspecified financial aid.
• ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES: $25,000 to American Red Cross.
• PAKISTAN: Doctors and paramedics.
• PANAMA: 120,000 pounds of bananas for hurricane victims.
• PERU: 80 to 100 doctors with expertise in tropical diseases and disasters. But President Alejandro Toledo said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld requested Peru instead send medical supplies and canned foods. Peru will try to comply.
• THE PHILIPPINES: Philippines Red Cross donating $25,000. Government offers 25-man relief team.
• PORTUGAL: Lending 2 percent of its strategic oil reserve, equivalent to 500,000 barrels of oil.
• QATAR: $100 million in humanitarian assistance.
• ROMANIA: Two teams of medical experts.
• RUSSIA: Three transport planes with generators, food, tents, blankets, drinking water and medical supplies.
• SAUDI ARABIA: Offers to increase oil production to replace shortfalls caused by Katrina.
• SINGAPORE: Three CH-47 transport helicopters and 38 soldiers in training unit at Grand Prairie, Texas, to Fort Polk, La., to work with Texas Army National Guard in disaster relief operations, including resupply and airlift missions.
• SLOVAKIA: Water purification gear, cots, water.
• SLOVENIA: Cots, bedding, first-aid kits.
• SOUTH KOREA: $30 million in government and civilian assistance and sending search team and relief supplies.
• SPAIN: Firefighters and equipment, medical staff, search-and-rescue expertise, tents, cots, blankets, water treatment units, heating equipment, meals, water, generators.
• SRI LANKA: $25,000 to American Red Cross.
• SWEDEN: First-aid kits, blankets, meals, generators, plastic sheeting, 2 water purification units and instructors; aircraft ready for immediate deployment.
• SWITZERLAND: Blankets, 50 tons of aid supplies, two logistic experts from the Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation, two doctors and two water specialists.
• TAIWAN: $2 million.
• THAILAND: At least 60 doctors and nurses along with supplies of rice.
• TRINIDAD: Local Red Cross sending 10-15 relief workers.
• URUGUAY: Two mobile water purification units and two tons of powdered milk.
• VENEZUELA: Offers 1 million barrels of gasoline, $5 million in cash, water purification plants, rescue volunteers and more than 50 tons of canned food and water. Government's Citgo Petroleum Corp. pledges $1 million.
• UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Tents, clothing, food and other aid.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
[ edited by sparkz on Sep 6, 2005 01:06 PM ]
for ALL the starving and dieing BABIES in NO...
Caroline 
