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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on September 30, 2005 04:09:11 AM
I seem to remember something being posted about this subject earlier this year.
It's a large item and I'm not sure I even want to consider this option.
They didn't email before they bid so I don't feel any obligation to do this but what should I say is my reason???

 
 replaymedia
 
posted on September 30, 2005 04:21:34 AM
No, never.

If the bidder refuses to pay Fedex (or it's not actually their acount) you will get stuck with the bill.


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 fenix03
 
posted on September 30, 2005 06:15:18 AM
Yes - but use your head. You put the bidders information in both the Recipient and the shipper info. You can only get stuck with the bill if you give your information.
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 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on September 30, 2005 07:35:18 AM
LOL, you beat me to fenix, I had a bidder try that with me and after they tried to refuse the package and seen what I had done it was too funny about the email I received.

Of course this may not work with paypal you don't have a way of showing you shipped the item.



Ron
 
 fenix03
 
posted on September 30, 2005 07:49:34 AM
Yes you do Ron - All PayPal requires is the tracking number and delivery address... they don't care whose name is in the Shipper info


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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on September 30, 2005 12:49:19 PM
Thanks Fenix. That's great advise.
What I don't understand is why someone would pay for an item and then refuse it when it arrives.
Does an attempted delivery work with paypal?
I guess my only concern is that this is a $175.00 item and it's going to cost $50 to $75 to ship. The winner only has 5 FB's.

 
 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on September 30, 2005 01:08:42 PM
Beacuse they know if it is not delivered, you don't usually know it was refused or they dispute the charge on their shipping account, you can get stuck.


Ron
 
 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on September 30, 2005 03:14:46 PM
Just reread it and it was UPS not FedEx. Does that matter? You know it just doesn't make sense to do this so I don't think I will.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on September 30, 2005 04:23:10 PM
Sure it does Lady - maybe they own their own business and have a UPS account which allows them to write the shipping off as a business expense. Maybe they are using an employers account (mine let me use theirs all the time as long as I didn't abuse it). There are a number of reasons. You cannot assume that everyone has the same operating proceedures you do. Just because they do something different does not mean they are doing something wrong.


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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on September 30, 2005 05:06:05 PM
I meant does it matter between UPS or Fedex. Can I still use their information both ways? Maybe I am being too paranoid. Could they say it didn't get there and try to do a charge back. Keep the item and get a paypal refund.
I had plan to use DHL for which the shipping is $50 & UPS is $117 for the same item. I guess it would be less with an account - but not $67
I guess what I really hate is the second high bidder had a really good FB record.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on September 30, 2005 05:09:23 PM
Yes - you can still enter the same info both way on UPS as well as Fed Ex.

How are they going to say it didn't get there? You fill out the form so know the tracking number. The tracking ability is not affected by how the ship to and ship from blanks are filled out. You can even still check the Signature required space.
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 carolinetyler
 
posted on September 30, 2005 05:14:10 PM
I bought a few things online for my office last year - I gave them our UPS account # to use for shipping. Made it easier to pay for the item as I had to pay out of pocket and then be reimbursed.

I would do it. They may also get a bulk discount from UPS like we used to - about 15% off listed rates on the rate calculator. So it is probably saving shipping money.
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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on September 30, 2005 05:21:05 PM
Well I guess I will do it if it's a confirmed address!!! Oh no another headache!!!! LOL

 
 stonecold613
 
posted on October 1, 2005 12:03:28 PM
This is a very large Nigerian scam. They steal account numbers, then ask you to use that number to ship the item. They have contacts, mostly in the southern Florida and Chicago areas. They get the item shipped to them for free and you in the long run will get a charge back for shipping. If they are legite, and have their own account number, ask them to send a "CALL TAG". This can only be done by the legite owner of the account. Then you are free and clear of any charge backs.

You are still better off refusing this type of service for your own safety.
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 sthoemke
 
posted on October 1, 2005 12:16:50 PM
It would be best to just have the person send the FedEx cost with their payment.

 
 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on October 2, 2005 01:48:14 PM
I wrote the winner back stating that I would prefer to use my DHL account as they pick up ground shipments and this is a very large item. I then state if that was a major problem for them, I would use their UPS account but would only ship to a confirm address if they use planned use paypal. I give the measurement of the box so they could check the UPS fees (2 times the amount of DHL.
I sent the email and 10 minutes later got a email back that the email had been deleted. I don't think I have ever gotten that message before. That was Friday and still nothing back from the winner.
I think I am going to call the winner and see if this is all legit. I'm really beginning to get a bad feeling about this now.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on October 2, 2005 04:42:44 PM
Just my opinion but...this is one of those reasons that bids are dropping. There comes a point in time when people get tired of being treated as potential thieves when they are the ones putting up the money.
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 sparkz
 
posted on October 2, 2005 04:48:08 PM
If you do use their account, don't show yourself as the shipper. Also, don't show the consignee as the shipper. Use the name and address of one of your NPB's as the shipper. If they refuse it, it's returned to the deadbeat with a big COD due. If they don't have a confirmed address, demand a money order. As long as you get the money, what do you care what problems two crooks have trying to scam each other?


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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on October 2, 2005 05:56:42 PM
Hey if we were talking $10 to $50 I would not even question this but $175 plus $120 shipping (UPS instead of the lower amount I can get) - well I would rather be safe than sorry.
These are the facts:
1. No shipping questions by the winner prior to bidding.
2. Winner has 5 FB's none more recent than 6 months ago - but recently has been bidding up a storm - at least $3000 to $4000 in the last 2 weeks.
3. All my auctions state paypal to confirmed address only for any item over $50.00.
I'm not being unreasonable at all.

I really think that the bidder's ID could have been stolen and they could be totally unaware so I'm going with my instinct and calling them. I'll post what happens later.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on October 2, 2005 06:09:56 PM
Just out of curiosity - Is there some reason that you think that if the ID has been stolen, that the new person did not change the phone number?
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 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on October 2, 2005 06:23:27 PM
Well if the number is in Nigerian - that would be a clue!! I would feel better just talking to them and if the number isn't changed and someone has stolen their ID - I think they will be appreciative that I called. JMHO as someone who has had their ID stolen.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on October 2, 2005 07:44:52 PM
Lady - if you are going to enter paranoia mode... do it completely and think it out. I assume that you are using Stones admonishment about it being a "nigerian" scam. If you read the whole thing then you see that the item would be shipped to a US address which means that for $50 they can buy a cloned or throw away phone complete with a US area code.




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 sparkz
 
posted on October 2, 2005 08:24:51 PM
Lady...So far, you havn't lost a dime. You still have the item. It boils down to how adamont you are about the TOS you placed in the description. If you were serious about it when you typed it, then simply email him and tell him that you will only ship via the method spelled out in the description. Take it or leave it! OTOH, if you are willing to be flexible, and allow changes to your TOS to be made after the auction ends, then remember, it'a a two way street. He made his change with the shipping, now it's your turn. Immediately drop paypal as a payment option and demand a Postal or Western Union money order for payment. Shorten up the due time to 5 days. Be prepared to file a UID and relist. Don't lose sleep over this clown, and don't ship until you verify that the money order is not counterfeit.


A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
 
 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on October 3, 2005 04:06:32 AM
I know you are right Sparkz but it feels like I have!! I started the auction at $99.00 and it ended at $177.00 with 3 bidders. The first was at $101.00 and then the last two had a little bidding war. The second high bidder contacted me about shipping prior to the end, so I wrote him yesterday that the item may still be available for him. He wrote back that he had already placed a bid on a similar one but if he got out bid, he would get back to me.
I just checked and he won.
Now here another twist - the first bidder had won a similar item for $99.00 early in the week. She was out bid by the other two so now do I offer her this one at $101 or relist and maybe piss her off. Of course this may not matter because I have a feeling she may not pay for the one she won either.
Guess it's just not my week but sometimes Mondays bring nice surprises!!!
I think I will take your advise and re bill them stating it's OK to use their UPS account but w/o paypal as an option. I just won't start spending that money yet. lol

 
 ladyjewels2000
 
posted on October 5, 2005 02:54:58 PM
Great news today - just got my payment for the item including my quoted shipping. After days of no word - I invoice her from ebay and added my shipping just stating that if she still wanted to use her UPS account to contact me directly so we could make the arrangements. So I guess it was legit and I will send her a nice note with the item and maybe a small gift.

 
 
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