posted on January 14, 2006 09:19:11 AM
Damn and I just bought a tractor trailer full of car parts that won't show up until Tuesday. Probably won't start listing them until next weekend. Ohh well, you win some, you lose some. Guess I could keep my fingers crossed and pray they don't go up until the end of the month.
Just another white mouse in the ebay maze looking for some cheese. --- Mike
posted on January 14, 2006 09:25:22 AM
weed out the marginal sellers-list an item for 4.95 with gallery and buy it now,how can these sellers call this a business??
Or worse,Chinese sellers selling 100 items at one penny and shipping is 15??
/ lets all stop whining !! /
The listing fee in the STORES ain't no big deal -- it's that DARN 8% FVF that has killed my 2005!
I can't see anyplace that eBay could raise fees more that wouldn't really HURT me & Ralphie beyond our ability to bounce back, like we SLOWLY did in '05...
As David Steinberg used to say to his dog: "Booga, booga, booga..."
posted on January 14, 2006 01:18:48 PM
One mans junk is anothers mans treasure is my philosophy. Unfortunaely I'm the one that usually thinks it's a treasure and I'm running out of room
Just another white mouse in the ebay maze looking for some cheese. --- Mike
posted on January 14, 2006 02:45:20 PMeBay Fee Hike, and Happy New Year from eBay!
I quit listing about December 11th, 2005, just not wanting to hassle with short tempered Xmas buyers, and with another price increase coming from eBay, I may not return to listing on eBay.
With established web sites, we don't really need eBay any more, and I am not going to continue to pay their outrageous fees.
As long as sellers will put up with eBay's fee increases, eBay will continue to increase their fees.
I have been on eBay since 1996, but I have listed less and less over the last 2 years, and will probably close our store on eBay, and just drop the site except for once in a while very unique items.
~"It does not matter what I think, it does not matter what you think. The only thing which matters is: What is the TRUTH!"~
posted on January 14, 2006 03:09:33 PM
jwpc................. As long as sellers will put up with eBay's fee increases, eBay will continue to increase their fee.
posted on January 14, 2006 10:23:32 PM
This post was found on the eBay boards:
Hi, I’m Ryan Dieckmann with eBay Stores. I’m here to tell you about a change we’re going to make in the next few weeks to the durations available for Store Inventory listings. Right now you can choose to have your Store Inventory listings run for a several different lengths of time (ranging from 30 to 120 days), or until you choose to cancel them. However, because very few Store sellers decide to have their listings run for 60, 90, or 120 days, we’re going to remove these durations.
Any Store Inventory listings that you’re already running with one of these durations will not be affected. You will just not be able to list new items, or re-list closed items, at one of these durations once the change is made. Of course, you will still be able to opt to run your listings for 30 days, or keep them as Good ‘Til Cancelled.
Sincerely,
Ryan Dieckmann
Manager, eBay Stores
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I would bet that a fee will be added for "GTC" on the stores.
posted on January 14, 2006 10:55:45 PM
That doesn't make sense. Passive revenue (listings that automatically renew) are the most lucrative for eBay. Why would they put it at a premium to discourage sellers from using it?
[ edited by pixiamom on Jan 14, 2006 10:56 PM ]
posted on January 15, 2006 09:39:21 AM
Anyone who has a Rubylane store?
The owner once said -bandwidth costs money and pictures take up more bandwidth than words.
I bot a book from someone who has an Ebay store for 99 cents,he has 13,000 items in his store and most sell for 1-5 dollars,just think how much it costs Ebay to host all these items with pictures and how much is Ebay share of 8 % for a 99 cents book.
Ebay is no longer considered a growth stock,neither is Yahoo or AMZN,so investors expect good old Ebay to turn a profit and start paying a dividend.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
posted on January 15, 2006 10:00:03 AM
I wonder if it will be presented as a restructuring of fees instead of a fee increase. I too wouldn't be surprised if it's tied to length of auction. Maybe a small decrease for 3-day auctions, an increase for 7-day auctions. Since eBay can't stop folks from manipulating the search engine by extending their auctions, they may decide to make folks pay for the priviledge!
posted on January 15, 2006 10:10:52 AM
After thinking about it, I think I would be kind of surprised if they changed much about store listings. Last time around, the ebay fees really affected store sellers, raising our monthly fee by 50% and increasing our FVF 52% - Honestly, if they went back to a nickel a listing, or added 2¢ for the privilege of using GTC, I would seriously have to evaluate my business model. After a year of these increases, I don't really see them doing that though - As one poster said, the GTC is a guaranteed income for ebay, don't think they will mess with that. It is pretty brilliant! - As far as auctions, I could see either an increase in listing fee or FVF raised to match the store prices. Sorry folks, but if I had to bring out a crystal ball and predict, I can see them raising the FVF to match the store 8%, esp. on lower end (under $25) items.
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The Unannounced (invisible) Fee Increase
Over one year, you can either list a store item item (with multiple quantity) three times (120 days) or twelve times through GTC.
three 120 day listings = $0.24 + $0.03 gallery = $0.27 year (store gallery is currently only $0.01 per listing, regardless of duration)
twelve GTC = $0.03 x 12 = $0.36 year (gallery is $0.01 per 30 days)
If you have 2,000 listings, listing (insertion) fees add up to:
120 day duration = $0.27 x 2,000 = $540.00
GTC = $0.36 x 2,000 = $720.00
for a 33% increase. A totally unannounced (invisible) 33% increase.
It is just starting folks. Just starting!
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And there are several subsequent posts that prove the thing about gallery only being a one-time charge penny for the longer durations. I wish I had known about that last year!
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum sonatur.
posted on January 15, 2006 10:24:55 AM
Thanks for the info, Replay. I never realized that. However, I suspect that my store items come up closer to the top in a search when they near their automatic renewal date. Can anyone confirm this? I have huge swings in store activity and always suspected this is the cause.
posted on January 15, 2006 10:52:35 AM
What good is a 10 days auction,from day 3 to day 8,it just get buried in the pipeline ,no one notice .
/ lets all stop whining !! /
posted on January 15, 2006 11:16:37 AM
I have noticed the following wording on my eBay invoice for a long time:
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Item gallery Fee $0.01
Item Insertion Fee Store Inventory $0.02
Item Stores Good 'Til Cancelled Fee $0.00
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As I mentioned, I would bet that the GTC fee will be filled in when a fee increase is announced. The question is how much?
Plus add the fee increase that Replay mentioned. Nice heafty increase, since many eBay sellers have switched to stores so as to hold down listing fees.
Store owners will be left with a decision; update inventory every 30 days, or pay the fee increase.
[ edited by kozersky on Jan 15, 2006 11:17 AM ]
[ edited by kozersky on Jan 15, 2006 11:22 AM ]
posted on January 15, 2006 11:38:34 AM
The fee increase replay listed is in existence already. Those who use the 12o day term get the gallery for 3 cents cheaper than those who use GTC and pay the gallery monthly. Eliminating the 120 listing option makes sellers pay the additional penny/month. But as pixiamom commented, one can be penny wise and pound foolish. A 120 day item will appear just once in "item ending soonest" searches and a GTC will appear at the end of the term monthly.
Does anyone know : If you listed for 120 days and the item sold in 20 days, did you get the refund of the unused listing fee?
It seems to me that with the longer term listings (60,90,120 days) ebay would get the money upfront which is always better than getting it later isn't it?
Looks to me like ebay is poising to do some store rate increases and not wanting to let sellers use the 120-day loophole that some used last year.
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posted on January 15, 2006 11:54:25 AM
Well, if eBay increases store fees, my store will be closed. That will be just one less site which I have to monitor.
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tonimar1 You asked me what would I suggest sellers do.
I have no real suggestions, as having been around eBay nearly a decade. I know strikes, and such never work, everyone on eBay is an independent operator, and it seems impossible to get a majority of eBay sellers to agree or do anything together. With that in mind, there is little to suggest regarding the listing increases on eBay unless you have already established web sites, which are producing a decent income and you can just drop eBay.
~"It does not matter what I think, it does not matter what you think. The only thing which matters is: What is the TRUTH!"~
posted on January 15, 2006 12:15:16 PM
Just a hypothetical:
What would everyone's reaction be if they raised the store items to a nickel and dropped the FVF to 5%?
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum sonatur.
posted on January 15, 2006 05:39:58 PM
I would not be in favor of reduing the FVF and increasing the listing fee. I don't like 8%, but I don't see them lowering it (in combination with anything else) because it is my belief that having the stores at 8% was a test run for their real cash cow, the auctions...Another change I expect would happen is that the FVF is calculated WITH postage.
posted on January 15, 2006 06:13:28 PM
I'm surprised that Ebay hasn't come up with a scheme to increase the efficiency of their servers by forcing sellers to spread out their auction closing times. They could do this by adding a 25 cent fee to auctions closing between 6:00 and 9:00 PM Pacific Time. Maybe add another quarter for auctions closing on Sundays. They could call it a "Prime Time" fee. I wouldn't put anything past them if they thought they could squeeze a few more nickles out of a seller.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
Guess I could keep my fingers crossed and pray they don't go up until the end of the month.
