roadsmith
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posted on April 26, 2006 12:21:15 PM new
I'll post photos gradually here, as I get answers and can move along. Thanks in advance for any help! Is this uniform a "dress uniform" or what would it be called? It's heavy wool.
Now, I don't know what to make of this little group; a metal item depicting Viet Nam, with evidence of glue on the back (would it have gone on a uniform?), two metal flags with glued backs, and a package of two items (what do you call these?) still in original wrapping.
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VintageAds4U
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posted on April 26, 2006 01:17:19 PM new
The bottom pens look like the designation for a major (if gold) or a Lietenant Colonel (if silver). Coat or Collar size?
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roadsmith
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posted on April 26, 2006 01:52:54 PM new
Those "pins" are soft cloth of some sort and are silver. I believe I'd been told he was a Lt. Col. The collar size is 15. Thanks! Every bit of information helps with this stuff.
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jackswebb
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posted on April 26, 2006 01:55:17 PM new
There Must be a manufactures name inside the coat. and a a date? Sheeeeesh are you sure he was'nt in the Civil War  I was no Officer (or Gentleman for that matter) but that sure looks a LONG time before my time. Medals,,,,,,are there any Medals/Ribbons? That will Surely date this uniform.
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roadsmith
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posted on April 26, 2006 02:05:37 PM new
There are no medals or ribbons, Jack. Evidently the family kept those. I do have two Marine's Guidebooks--one from WWII (1940) as a private, and one from 1962, as a Lt. Col.
I'll look at the uniform in a few minutes to see if there are any clues. I'm guessing the uniform dates from WWII. . . .
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roadsmith
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posted on April 26, 2006 03:24:49 PM new
Jack: Two labels on the inside of the jacket: the first simply says it was manufactured in accordance with U.S. standards. Another label says "Uniform Store, Camp Lejeune."
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roadsmith
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posted on April 26, 2006 03:26:50 PM new
Patch groups number 2 and 3:
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jackswebb
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posted on April 26, 2006 05:48:58 PM new
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bcpostcards
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posted on April 28, 2006 12:20:44 AM new
Jack's ---> been left speechless???
My knowledge is very slim with US mil items, but is this getting close with the packaged oak leaves?
Yours are bullion too (metal wrapped thread).
The jacket is mess dress of some type, don't know which period though. With some ebay research, the maker's name on the button backs will help to date when the jacket was used, at least by that individual.
Nice patches (boy is one moth-eaten!), I've always been blown away by the endless variety of US patches.
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on April 28, 2006 05:13:59 AM new
Sorry for the delay, I have been doing some investigating on these. I have also included average selling prices for these. THEY ARE HIGHLY COLLECTIBLE AND VERY VALUABLE!!!
2nd picture, the red patch with a tourch/2 being held by a hand. This is a World War II US Marine Corps 2nd Marine Division. $74.99
1st picture, number 4 patch. WWII USMC Marine Corps 4th MarDiv. Silk patch $29.99, felt and wool patch $49.99, cotton twill patch $49.99
1st picture, critter eaten patch V w/ spear point. This is a World War II US Marine Corps 5th Marine Division. Even in the chewed on condition (not actually that rare that this happens) it should still be worth at least $49 to $59.99
1st picture, round 6 with sword. This is a World War II US Marine Corps 6th Marine Division. $199.99 and up, highly sought after.
2nd picture, gator with 3 stars. This is an issue World War II US Marine Corps 3rd Amphibious Corps. $129.99
2nd picture, FMF/PAC patch and cannon. This is a World War II US Marine Corps 1st Amphibious Corps. $74.99
The rank insignia if silver in color are Lt Colonel, price can vary greatly depending on age.
I'm not to sure on the uniform yet. Have to do a little more digging. I'll get back as soon as I talk with a friend of mine that collects uniforms.
 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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glassgrl
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posted on April 28, 2006 09:15:41 AM new
is there a person's name anywhere? I researched online a West Point coat I had one time. It's a little erie to find out personal information but they can tell you his date of service, where he served etc. I don't remember the site but I'm sure you can find one relating to Marines.
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jackswebb
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posted on April 28, 2006 09:25:59 AM new
Hey! that would be a great site to find, just to find out what they say about us who are STILL kickin'
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jackswebb
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posted on April 28, 2006 09:34:26 AM new
Ah!!!! I just realized what I THINK you found. DD 214 information.
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glassgrl
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posted on April 28, 2006 10:14:11 AM new
hmmm....maybe it was the Wall I searched on. Mine wans't WWII era.
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 10:27:12 AM new
WOW, y'all. I currently have those three patches listed together, starting at 1 cent. I think I'll separate those bad boys and start over. I really appreciate your advice.
Glassgrl: Do you really think this is a West Point uniform? If the guy (Thomas Green) was a career Marine, would he have gone to West Point or one of the other academies? The silver bullion seems to match the oak leaves on the shoulders.
Is everyone sure I should call the silver goodies "oak leaves"???
I can't believe how ignorant I am about military things.
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 10:59:33 AM new
Here are the last two badge groups. Mike, you are a tremendous help here! I only hope someday when you're selling some esoteric auto part I can steer you to a million-dollar sale (yeah, right. . . . ). Adele
Oh, never mind about the first item in the 1st group here; I see that it's a duplicate.
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neglus
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posted on April 28, 2006 11:02:20 AM new
I once had a real photo postcard of a sailor with his name handwritten on the postcard - did a google search and found his dates of service and hometown - helped sell the card (to a relative I think). His name wasn't as common as "Green" though (I just googled and couldn't find your Thomas Green)- if you know middle initial and hometown it probably would help.
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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neglus
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posted on April 28, 2006 11:07:19 AM new
Don't Marine Officers go to USNA Annapolis (not West Point)?
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on April 28, 2006 11:11:21 AM new
Your 3 pointed star patch in your new photo is a World War II USMC 3rd Marine Division, currently going for about $59.99.
The jacket has me stumped currently. The wide red band on the neck and the cuff decorations don't match anything I can find. My friend should be able to shed a little light on this though. Uniforms go for on average $150 and up. I would think yours should fetch above $150 because it is a officers jacket with rank and looks to be in excellent condition. Be sure to list the officers name when you sell it and any other information you know about the person. Military items bring much higher prices if there is a history to go with them. If they were KIA or MIA prices can go through the roof.
edited to add: Just so you understand the prices I am giving you is what war collectible dealers are getting online, at stores and at shows. I have no idea what prices they would fetch on ebay. I'm sure you know how that can be quite a difference some times. I have seen items go for loads more and next to nothing on ebay when compared with what they bring in the "normal" market. Just give them a try and see what they bring.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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jackswebb
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posted on April 28, 2006 11:31:54 AM new
You have the Third Mar. Div. UP side Down,,,,,
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 11:45:41 AM new
I wondered if that patch was upside-down, Jack. Thanks.
All--I have this marine's desk nameplate which reads T.N. Green, USMC.
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 12:36:12 PM new
I just noticed that the FMF-PAC patch in the last photo I posted here, above, is different from the earlier one with cannon. Mike, any ideas?
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LtRay
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posted on April 28, 2006 12:54:12 PM new
Roadie, I assumed the first one was artillery until I saw the second one. Looks like the first one is a cannon and the second one an anti-aircraft gun.
Found a repro of the first one here
FMF PAC
FMF PAC FLeet Marine Force - Pacific
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LtRay
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posted on April 28, 2006 01:20:50 PM new
Looks like they are both artillery patches
newest patch
As for your jacket, according to Camp Legeune history, it was not named until 1942 but I can not find anything that looks like your coat.
I wonder if it is a special parade edition?
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on April 28, 2006 01:54:46 PM new
Didn't even notice the different patch's. The one with the cannon is a Artillery patch and the one with cannon pointing up is a Anti-Aircraft patch. Oops.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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LtRay
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posted on April 28, 2006 02:48:46 PM new
PayDirt!
According to this page, the button count changed from 16 to 13 in 1949. Explains why the jacket is in such good condition. They removed the ornate cuff decor shourtly after WWII as well.
Sound like you have a very rare jacket there.
http://leathernecklane.com/marine/uniforms/uniform5.htm
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 04:02:28 PM new
LtRay: Thanks a bunch for that information about the buttons! That website is interesting, too.
Does ANYONE HERE have any clues about the metal items in the first picture I posted here, and also the large patches in the very last picture? That's all I need at the moment.
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on April 28, 2006 05:55:59 PM new
The metal country piece in the first set of pictures is it Vietnam??? Looks like just a high speed, low drag, go fast goodie type dealey bob. As for the last two patchs. The eagle and anchor is the US Marine Corp. logo. What size are they?
edited to add: The double flag pin. What are the exact colors of the right flag. Is it just yellow with red stripes? Or does it have thin green stripes at the top and bottom? Just trying to figure out if it's a country flag or a representation of the Vietnam service ribbon which was yellow with 3 red stripes and a single green stripe at either end.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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glassgrl
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posted on April 28, 2006 06:00:15 PM new
road - MINE was West Point - YOURS is Marine. Mine died in Vietnam. Yours died after WWII or whatever. I just thought maybe you could research the name if you had one. Didn't mean to throw you for a loop.
It seems the online searches have changed since I researched mine. When I searched...all the info was right out there. Now it seems you have to officially request it. It was just kind of interesting to see where he had gone to school, served etc.
sorry.
best wishes with your auctions though!
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roadsmith
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posted on April 28, 2006 06:14:30 PM new
Glassgrl: No problem! I hope I did not come across as testy in my reply to your post this morning. Adele
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