posted on July 8, 2006 01:52:25 PM
I get so annoyed when I see NEW merchandise listed in the antiques category. This seller has even made the Pulse with his NEW bowl!
posted on July 8, 2006 02:05:43 PM
I know how you feel! I work in vintage clothing and accessories and you should see the mess that other sellers have made of that category!
"This Old Navy shirt has a retro print... put it in vintage!"
Wrong-o!
It's frustrating because potential customers looking for REAL vintage have to wade through all of that junk to find your listings. It's infuriating.
eBay has been cracking down on miscategorizations recently. They require you to agree to terms stating that pieces are FROM such and such time frame to such and such time frame BEFORE your item lists. They've also been patrolling better recently.
Hopefully they'll continue to do that and will expand it to other categories as well.
posted on July 8, 2006 02:30:22 PM
Ltray....If this is legal, why didn't you call that boat a Chinese Junk and list it in this category?
What I find interesting is that in the title, it's listed as a Mottahedeh, and all the way through the listing you are led to believe this. Then, after the bids start rolling in, he adds a note at the bottom stating it's not.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
posted on July 8, 2006 02:39:56 PM
I noticed that Sparkz. Can't believe someone hasn't reported the auction for keyword spamming. I find it even harder to believe that it actually has bids!
posted on July 8, 2006 05:27:06 PM
Maybe if someone did report it the auction would be taken down. I don't think just saying later in the auction that it is not really what they say in the title excuses them. I had one of mine removed because I had 'brandname ?' and that is not allowed. I think everyone should have to follow the same rules.
posted on July 8, 2006 05:54:30 PM
Not only is it keyword spamming, but to me, that title borders on intentional misrepresentation or fraud. And it definitely is in the wrong category and he admits in the description he did it on purpose.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
posted on July 8, 2006 06:57:40 PM
This listing (#120003336135) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
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posted on July 8, 2006 07:07:56 PM
Well,things must have improved on Ebay,I remember once upon a time everyone who has a piece of porcelain with cross swords on the bottom list their items as 'Meissen'.
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posted on July 8, 2006 11:09:36 PM
Stone, just because you are an antique does not mean everything 60 years old is
Technically, the US government got involved in the antique vs not antique debate in the 1890's due to a proliferation of new "antique" collectibles being imported into the US during the industrial revolution. Many import items were listed as antique to avoid taxes and levies. The government ruled that only items older than 120 years old were exempt from import taxes.
With that said, common market definition of "antique" is usually set by a majority of the experienced collectors and does vary by category.
examples of some common market variables:
glassware- 60 years. Anything newer is "collectible"
Toys- 50 years
Cars- 25 years (defined by state and local laws)
antique furniture- 100 years old.
Federally mandated guidelines:
antique firearms-Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) guns made prior to 1899
Easiest and quickest way to define objects without getting into long history lessons or philosophical debates:
antique- if you grandmaw had it,not very likely to be antique. If your great-grandmaw had it, most likely antique.
vintage- something your mother or grandmother bought.
collectible- could be anything from 1 day old to 100 years old that can find a buyer.
When I had my antique store, I used to tell my customers who came in lugging their Grandmaws precious treasures that Grandmaw probably did not buy it when she 2. Grandmaw probably still shopped at k-mart when she was 80. And yes dear, your precious glasses were bought at k-mart in 1980. Go home and enjoy them or sell them in a yard sale for .50.
There were 100 pieces of junk that showed up for "antique" appraisal for every one true antique that was carried through the door.
No keyword title spam this time. I did not report him the first time and really don't see the point in reporting him until eBay decides to fix the stupid mess they have created by allowing repoductions as an item specific in the Antiques category.
I looked at his other auctions and he has 16 New items listed in the antiques categories. He states in the auctions that the items are new, so buyers should know what they are buying, but it is the "buyer beware" mentality that these auctions create that is hurting all sellers.
posted on July 9, 2006 06:21:31 AM
Most Asian 'antique ' dealers I know list their repros under antiques so the bidders can find them,not everyone can afford antiques and many so called 'antiques' are older repros anyway.
There are buyers out there who would rather have a piece of affordable 'repro' which is clean,attractive and in good condition gracing their living room than a piece of dubious antique which is chipped,cracked and dirty!
Go to IGAVEL.COM and see how much they are paying for Chinese famille rose antiques!
/ lets all stop whining !! /
posted on July 9, 2006 10:27:08 AM
I am not an antique dealer or collector but I have seen my fair share of repros(old and new) in so called antique stores (stand alone or in malls)!
I am just telling you the facts,unless Ebay said otherwise,the dealers will continue to list their repros in antique categories as the bidders will go to those categories and browse.
As long as they stated this is a repro ,I dont see anything wrong ,of course I dont own Ebay.
posted on July 9, 2006 11:51:26 AM
It would be much simpler if Ebay just banned anything from China made after 1940 from being listed on their site. Make it a decent site again and let WalMart peddle all the cheap junk and crap.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
posted on July 9, 2006 12:18:17 PM
Chinese stuff made in CHINA in 1940s could be considered vintage and not mass produced,you figure they are fighting wars-Japanese invasion,WWII and Communist revolution.
After the revolution,the repros were made in HK and to a lesser extent,other parts of South East Asia,the Chinese in mainland China are busy being good proletariats and shunned the Western world.
It all started in the 1980s when someone went to China and asked them to mass produce and show them how to do it-the french limoge,the diecast toy cars,the faux ivory carvings,etc etc.
So if you want to ban Chinese goods,ban those made in the 80s and 90s ,it is not the Chinese,it is the Westerners who ask them to make them,there must be a market for these goods,else why spend the money to have them mass produced,capitalists are not stupid.
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posted on July 10, 2006 10:31:14 AM
If one accepts ignorant and ill-informed statements as equal to knowledgeable judgment, then sure, I suppose for such uncritical folk it is just a matter of opinion.
Fortunately those of us who live in the thinking world can distinguish between nattering and thoughtful well-considered conclusions.
Your mileage, obviously, varies. As usual.
fLufF
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