tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 10:58:44 AM new
...do I call this?
Beautiful (4 7/8in x 3 1/2in) "advertising card" for LE GRAND HOTEL VENISE (feels like the type of place where one can almost picture the creepy von Aschenbach pursueing the youth Tadzio through the halls) ...
Anyhoo, Ralphie & I beg for...HELP PLEASE!
1) Is there a name for this type of card?
2) Can anyone DATE this item? I'm guessing pre-WWI, as they're advertising the presence of electric lights, which would seem to me to be passe by 1920?
3) Also, anybody here par-lay vou FRENCH? Is there anything that stands out as unusual?
THANKS IN ADVANCE to ALL the resident GENIUSES here on the EO who share their KNOWLEDGE & EXPERTISE with us...
Tom & Ralphie
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roadsmith
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posted on January 2, 2008 12:01:56 PM new
Can't help you much, Tom, but I know I would list it in Collectibles/Advertising/Hotels and also Collectibles/Paper/Ephemera. Looks old.
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roadsmith
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posted on January 2, 2008 12:02:57 PM new
PS - is that an artist's signature down in the lower right corner? Could it be a known name? (Of course it's not original art, but the name could help sell it.)
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tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 12:14:15 PM new
THANKS, Roady!
THAT's a big HELP, as I had NO CLUE (of course, Ralphie says I'm "clueless" anyways) where to list this...
I examined the whole card square-cm x square-cm and cannot find the artist for this very pretty painting of the GRAND CANAL at night...
I'm going to date it 1900, as that was the opening year for the HOTEL...
Unless somebody here knows better?
PLUS, there HAS to be a NAME for this kind of card, doesn't there?
Tom & Le Ralphee
PS: is the FRENCH wording for an ITALIAN hotel strictly an affectation, or do ya think this card was aimed at the...FRENCH?
 
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photosensitive
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posted on January 2, 2008 01:28:47 PM new
Tomwiii, I would call it a trade card. Looks to me like it is an advertisement for the Grand Hotel in Venice.
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“The illiterate of the future will be the person ignorant of the use of the camera as well as of the pen.”
Maholy-Nagy, Vision in Motion, 1947
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pixiamom
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posted on January 2, 2008 01:52:38 PM new
Tom, if it is the size and weight of a standard size postcard, I would list it under a postcard category. My first sentence in the description : Wonderful vintage card is the size and weight of a standard size postcard but is missing the postcard markings on the back. See scan of back which advertises the fine amenities of this hotel.
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tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 02:08:49 PM new
Thanks, pixiamom, but it is SMALLER in length than standard PC size, and equals instead 4 3/4" x 3 1/2" as opposed to the regular PC's, which seem to mostly be: 5 1/2" x 3 1/2"
Tis a very PRETTY painting...
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pixiamom
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posted on January 2, 2008 03:03:40 PM new
Then I would call it a trade card for sure. I'd probably put it in Collectibles> Advertising
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tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 03:05:00 PM new
THANKEE! one & all!
Tom & Ralphie
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neglus
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posted on January 2, 2008 03:30:20 PM new
Or try this category:
Collectibles > Advertising > Other Advertising > Victorian Trade Cards > Other Industries
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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pmelcher
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posted on January 2, 2008 05:54:14 PM new
If my very rusty French from high school serves me, they have elevators, rooms and apartments, and bathrooms. Very pretty card, all dark and wonderful.
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rhpepsi
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posted on January 2, 2008 06:10:52 PM new
house of all first order
on the big canal in the middle of the noon
in the most beautiful and the healthiest position of venice
250 rooms 30 parlors
heating has vapor
elevators
chambers and apartments
with baths
and water closet
Don't think it is the GRAND HOTEL anymore...good possibility it may be the HOTEL MONACO & GRAND CANAL HOTEL...located near the end of the GRAND Canal with views of the Church of Santa Maria della Salute and the island of San Giorgio
Well..all this french is making me hungry...french fries..french toast...french onion soup..etc etc.
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tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 06:21:36 PM new
THANK YOU...ALL!
Tom & Ralphie
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pixiamom
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posted on January 2, 2008 07:05:42 PM new
I think it's interesting that the card is in French rather than Italian.
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sthoemke
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posted on January 2, 2008 07:35:02 PM new
Advertising card or picture card.
If you are looking for an European buyer, the term "trade card" has a different meaning in Europe than the US (sort of their version of "trading card", which differentiates collectible card sets from cigarette card set).
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pixiamom
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posted on January 2, 2008 08:39:44 PM new
Good point, Sthoemke. Also, non-US sites do not map well to US categories, so you have to make sure the key words are in your title in order to be found. Instead of Venise, I would try to fit both Venice and Venezia in the title.
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KarenMx
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posted on January 2, 2008 09:51:33 PM new
>house of all first order
First class hotel
>on the big canal in the middle of the noon
At the center of the Grand Canal
> 250 rooms 30 parlors
"suite" might be more idiomatic than "parlor", I think; 250 rooms would have been a HUGE hotel for the era, even if the rooms were tiny
>heating has vapor
central heating
>chambers and apartments
rooms and apartments (probably the aforementioned suites)
There's still a Grand Hotel, it's the "Carlton Grand Hotel Venice"--can't tell if it's the same.
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tomwiii
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posted on January 2, 2008 10:02:13 PM new
I thought it was the GRAND HOTEL on LIDO, thus my goofy references to "A Death in Venice" with one of my all time favorite performances: creepy, creepy Dirk Bogarde as creepy, creepy von Aschenbach...
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rhpepsi
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posted on January 3, 2008 04:22:54 AM new
karenmx...thought the same thing on the CARLTON...but seems to be on the opposite side of the canal....
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pixiamom
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posted on January 3, 2008 07:39:13 AM new
Heating has vapor=steam heat
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photosensitive
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posted on January 3, 2008 07:44:07 AM new
I would include "trade card" since it might sell to the US but include Sthoemke suggestion about calling it an "advertising card" as well.
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“The illiterate of the future will be the person ignorant of the use of the camera as well as of the pen.”
Maholy-Nagy, Vision in Motion, 1947
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neglus
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posted on January 3, 2008 07:45:07 AM new
Here's the same hotel by daylight
*I just noticed it's the very same VIEW - they must have added night color for Tom's card*:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Italy-pc-Grand-Hotel-Venezia-p1561_W0QQitemZ290098573968QQihZ019QQcategoryZ20258QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m118
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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tomwiii
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posted on January 3, 2008 09:41:55 AM new
They are slightly DIFFERENT scenes:
HIS (enlarged & lightened a little)
MINE (night TURNED to day)
...and, MY ORIGINAL, which seems originally to be a NIGHT SCENE:
PLUS... as Ralphie notes: "Ya don't have to cross da bridge from Buda to Pest to find yerself a PEST...I'm right here in da good ole USA!"
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