agitprop
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posted on April 9, 2008 08:49:18 PM new
It's all over the news wires that eBay Australia is making their "venue" a PayPal only playground from 17 June 2008. Cash on delivery will be the only exception. Bank transfers (very popular as they are free), postal money orders and cheques will henceforth be outlawed.
Home of the best eBay auction fee & PayPal calculators: http://auctionfeecalculator.com
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ST0NEC0LD613
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posted on April 9, 2008 09:21:16 PM new
Are you going to be looking at other avenues to sell your wares?
If they do that here in the USA, it will be the final nail in the coffin for me. But then again, I'm holding the nail to the box as it is. The website is doing better everyday and frankly I am getting sick of paying more to ebay and getting less and less service.
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agate18
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posted on April 9, 2008 10:18:17 PM new
agitprop. I just spoke to the powerseller helpline. there is a small way around this, if you list in australia and are and an australian there is no way around. but if you list on the u.s. site then it will not count and wont apply.
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hwahwa
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posted on April 10, 2008 02:56:20 AM new
What good does that do?
Australian in Australia listing on US site to avoid accepting Paypal??
US bidders will have problem sending payment to Aussie land and Aussie bidders may not be browsing non Aussie site.
Tom's hunch is correct,soon it will be Paypal only ,like AMZN it is one click payment.
Cash on delivery?I remember back years ago when bidders request cash on delivery and dont have or dont feel like paying cash,and the item was returned ,costing me more money.
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neglus
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posted on April 10, 2008 04:13:37 AM new
agit and agate - bummer! Try venting on the new eBay blog "Ink":
http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/04/09/ebay-australia-announces-safe-payment-initiative/
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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agate18
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posted on April 10, 2008 05:38:25 AM new
Firstly i have never listed anywhere else in nearly 10 years on ebay except the usa. I have never listed on ebay Australia. So hwahwa i am not listing on the us site to avoid paypal. I have been accepting payments for the usa. for all that time. Some by paypal. even though i dont like Paypal, And i also have a merchant card account. So i can accept credit cards from anywhere in the world. As well as paymate an Australian company. very reputable.
neglus I am not venting , i was just passing on a little information that i found out from the powersellers people.
From personal expeirence i have found the only people i had a problem with was those people who really did not want the article and used every excuse in the book to get out of paying.
In that time i have sold 10 of thousands of auctions with almost no problems.
I also use Paymate to receive payments for around the world. as well as paypal and credit card payments thru my merchant account.
so there is a way if you really try.
neglus Thank you for the link. and good luck everyone with the Regime.(EBAY)
[ edited by agate18 on Apr 10, 2008 05:42 AM ]
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neglus
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posted on April 10, 2008 06:13:05 AM new
AGATE - I hope you didn't think I was suggesting you take this discussion elsewhere. I just wanted to make you aware that it was being discussed on the new blog that SUPPOSEDLY is going to have EBay management's ears (eyes). I am anxious to see if this guy is another spin doctor or if he is really going to take on some hard issues.
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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agate18
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posted on April 10, 2008 06:25:00 AM new
neglus Not a problem, i will have a look shortly. and as i said thank you for the link.
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deichen
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posted on April 10, 2008 07:21:54 AM new
If ebay US does go to a one click payment (paypal only) then it will be the nail in the coffin for many. Hey, it is ebay's funeral not mine. I am trying to expand my ideas on selling and NOT putting all of my eggs in one basket.
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hwahwa
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posted on April 10, 2008 03:09:55 PM new
Agit,I am not saying you are trying to avoid Paypal,I am pointing out what the Ebay customer service suggests-that Aussie seller can try listing on Ebay-USA??
I used to get many Aussie bidders,now I get none,has anything changed?
I am getting UK,French bidders,but no one from Australia?
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vintageads4u
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posted on April 10, 2008 03:18:47 PM new
How will this work on re-direct sites like Vendio? or MarketWorks? I don't use the re-direct, I think Bill Koz does. Once the customer is re-directed off eBay to pay eBay can no longer control the method used. I don't know if Vendio or similar programs are used in Australia.
Beth
Antique Ad Shop
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agate18
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posted on April 10, 2008 05:22:18 PM new
I have never used the ebay system to arrange or receive payment. I usually write direct to my customers with all the relevant information inc all the payment options. When they choose i then give them further instructions to finalize the payment. I found that the ebay way is not very good and is very confusing for the customer.
I even invented a way to receive credit card details about 12 years ago. and is safe. more importantly my customers are happy to use the system.
hwahwa I am not sure why this happening. I suspect that they got sick of trying to buy from some american sellers who dont want to sell overseas because they think it is too much trouble. So they just give up trying to buy from the usa. Not sure. And i do realise that there is a lot of sellers on this site who are american and do sell overseas, good on you sellers. It is not hard.
98% of my sales are overseas. countries like USA. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, France, the UK, Japan, Holland, and many others.
I think one of the biggest problem that confronts most buyers is the currency and conversion. The average mum and dad buyers dont know how to handle this and dont want the headache. I myself have been handling foreign currency for at lease 30 years. So it is no problem for me to instruct my customers what to do and how to do it. I also find that my customers appreciate this and keep on coming back time and time again.
hwahwa The Australian Ebay customer service is actually in Canada. At least i know for sure the powersellers help is. Even paypal help is in america. Wehave a phone no for Aust that goes direct to usa .
With all these new rules coming in all the time, they are going to lose lots of sellers and buyers who dont want the hassle of trying to figure out how to pay. I have been talking with paymate in australia and they will be looking at legalities. I dont believe what ebay are doing is legal and it would seem that i am not the only one who thinks so.
Even in the usa it is an erosion of your rights to pay by your choice. The fact that ebay is trying to monopolise all payment systems i dont think is legal. Especially when they own paypal. So far as i know that is monopilization and i thought that was illegal in the usa,????
vintageads4u As you can see i am in Aus, and i have been using vendio almost as long as they have existed. Not sure of any other sites. But i would think they can be accessed just the same as vendio.
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hwahwa
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posted on April 10, 2008 05:31:02 PM new
I think I know why Aussie bidders are not bidding on US site.
I just listed an item on Ebay-Australia and my category is filled with items starting 9 cents from CHINA.
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agate18
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posted on April 10, 2008 05:50:44 PM new
hwahwa. you could be right. what user name are you using on ebay. i did check this one you use here and found this .
hwahwa ( 0 )
Member since Sep-30-00 in China
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hwahwa
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posted on April 10, 2008 06:05:28 PM new
I did register on Ebay-China many years ago,but never list anything,not sure if that ID is still mine??
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agitprop
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posted on April 10, 2008 06:28:00 PM new
FWIT we rarely sell on eBay Australia anymore as most of our collectible items achieve higher closing prices on eBay UK (or DE) with cash buyers. We do have an Australia bank account with online banking so we can (or rather could) get paid immediately, free of charge by Australian customers. It meant no exchange rates to worry about and we always had holiday money for ourselves or relatives/friends vacationing there. With New Zealand's recent free trade deal with China, I'm thinking long term that might be as good a market as Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan have been.
If the other eBay venues go the PayPal-only route, then we will likely hook up with some of our larger US, UK and DE competitors and get them to list on their local Amazons on our behalf. Located in New Zealand, we are now precluded from listing on any Amazon Store or Auctions despite being able to rack up several hundred successful sales without incident before Amazon made Amazon Payments compulsory and closed off sales to non-residents. Worst downside to being in NZ is absolutely ZERO Seller Protection through PayPal. Doesn't matter if we ship to a confirmed address with tracking and signature, we still get an automatic payment reversal if a buyer looks at us funny. Also PayPal doesn't have a local office so all complaints have to go through PayPal Singapore, making NZ Small Claims Court a waste of time (unlike with sales through NZ largest auction site TradeMe.co.nz).
We still have our websites (with daily Froogle feeds) which do steady business, plus have been listing on some of the smaller European and Yahoo.co.jp auction sites with mixed success.
There are loads of threads all over the place about eBay's bombshell announcement:
eBay blog comments
The Register comments
The Inquirer. comments
AuctionBytes blog comments
Slashdot comments
plus loads of threads in eBay Australia's forums...
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pixiamom
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posted on April 10, 2008 07:08:49 PM new
I really feel for you. This only confirms my belief that eBay is an unstable partner, Able and willing to hit sellers with unsurmountable changes on a whim without consultation or notification.
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agate18
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posted on April 10, 2008 08:33:48 PM new
pixiamom Isn't that called communism.???
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pixiamom
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posted on April 11, 2008 02:10:26 AM new
Agate- I think it's uncontrolled capitalism.
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agitprop
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posted on April 17, 2008 03:18:19 PM new
You read it here first folks... changes are a coming down the pipeline:
"Mr. Donahoe outlined some more coming changes to the site. In Australia, the company is testing a program that requires sellers to accept only PayPal payments. Mr. Donahoe said that if the test was successful, the company would introduce it in other countries “in months, not years.” Mr. Donahoe said the intent was to cut down on fraud on the site, but critics say the change will entitle eBay to a double helping of fees on each transaction."
Original article
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merrie
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posted on April 17, 2008 03:31:50 PM new
agitprop: Interesting article, I love this quote:
"Mr. Donahoe says it is not the company’s intent to discriminate against small sellers. But, he said, “where large and small sellers are trying to cut corners and not provide a good buying experience, we are making less room for them in the marketplace.”
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pixiamom
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posted on April 17, 2008 03:35:57 PM new
"The fee and search changes, which took effect only six weeks ago in the United States, Britain and Germany, appear to be having a positive effect. In its earnings call Wednesday with analysts and investors, eBay said that it was seeing increases in the number of listings on the site and in gross merchandising volume or G.M.V., the total sum of all transactions on the eBay marketplace. G.M.V. in the latest quarter increased 12 percent from a year earlier."
Huh? And here I thought it was due to the 1-cent listing sale.
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