cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 05:51:35 AM
I believe this pitcher to be 1880's. Might be earlier, but I don't know. There is NO England mark on the bottom, which leads me to believe it's 19th century. The marks that are incised are WEDGWOOD, 24 over capital T, and three initials that I can't make out (may be BPG). I also can't quite make out the painted on numbers. I've seen variations of this pitcher and I've seen some referred to as Wedgwood Majolica. I don't see that here, or am I wrong? Any help with this would be appreciated. I'm selling it for my daughter and she really needs the cash right now. She may be facing a lay-off (fingers are crossed here that she's not). Thanks!
Usually the eBay boards are helpful, but I didn't get any help there with this.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 06:18:36 AM
Cheryl, start here
http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/w/wedgwood-date.html
Your numbers look like C3529 to me.
I am heading out this morning but may be able to provide further help later.
edited to add: a picture of the wedgewood mark without flash would help <g>
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 06:21:13 AM
Looks like it might be 1870's. From what I can determine the BPG (or BPC) are pattern, artist and date codes. The last is the date code. I hope I have that right. Jenny picked this up for 50 cents at a garage sale. She can spot something good a mile away!
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 06:25:42 AM
Try seaching for Wedgewood Hunt. There appears to be a newer line from wedgewood also but I believe yours is 1800's
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hwahwa
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posted on October 11, 2008 07:01:10 AM
That dog handle is worth good money,make sure you mention the breed!
The German usually have a dachshund handle,but is this the English pointer?
A beautiful piece.
How do you remove the background color?
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Gulag-a Soviet era concentration camp is now reincarnated as EBAY with 13,000 rules.
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 07:31:54 AM
hwahwa - I use MicroSoft PhotoDraw to remove it. Far easier than even PhotoShop. Unfortunately, they discontinued the program. I've been guarding this one with my life. Too bad. They finally have a program worth every bit of the money you expend and they discontinue it!
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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KarenMx
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posted on October 11, 2008 10:47:27 AM
What with the horses, and riders in hunting pinks, the dog is a Foxhound, not a pointer.
It's a beautiful piece, not the sort of thing I ever see at garage sales for any price.
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hwahwa
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posted on October 11, 2008 12:46:42 PM
Fox hound!thats even better,more money!
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Gulag-a Soviet era concentration camp is now reincarnated as EBAY with 13,000 rules.
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 12:53:29 PM
Anyone have an idea on what I should start this at? I was thinking $49.99, but I'd hate for it to end at that and I don't want to use a reserve.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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niel35
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posted on October 11, 2008 01:31:11 PM
check this out, only in all white by Esturia
same pattern
http://cgi.ebay.com/ETRURIA-BARLASTON-WEDGWOOD-Pitcher-Dogs-Horses-Fox-Hunt_W0QQitemZ250295558325QQihZ015QQcategoryZ472QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 01:46:00 PM
I saw that one. It's one of the new ones, though. I've seen this in many different color schemes, but not this particular one. I'll keep searching.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 01:57:42 PM
Here are more Cheryl.
1800's pitcher http://www.prices4antiques.com/pottery-porcelain/majolica/Wedgwood-Majolica-Argenta-Pitcher-Hunt-Scene-7-inch-C241798.asp
1863 http://www.trocadero.com/sindler/items/786142/item786142store.html
more modern pitcher http://cgi.ebay.ie/LARGE-WEDGWOOD-JOHN-PEEL-HUNTING-SCENE-JUG-DOG-HANDLE_W0QQitemZ360081378536QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360081378536&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 02:00:31 PM
Wow, I love the second one. That one looks like majolica.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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niel35
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posted on October 11, 2008 02:15:58 PM
Yours looks like the 3rd one tho.
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 02:32:33 PM
niel - The third one is modern as clearly shown by the stamp. It would then be a reproduction of the one I have. There are differences. That jug looks like it's white while mine is cream colored. Also, the colors are different.
Cheryl
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 02:36:32 PM
Don't mind me too much here but just sharing some thoughts until I can locate more info.
The strange thing is the quality of the painting on yours. It is not as well defined as what I am familiar with. And the scratched paint almost made me think it was a copy until I found another with with similar ware. But then the other could be fake too. It only sold for about $80.00.
The color of the base band reminds me of the popular lustre color of the 1930's.
I do not think yours could be called majolica. The vibrant majolica glazes are almost always applied under a clear glaze.
Perhaps you could get a better shot of the markings by using indirect lighting instead of a flash? this would help us identify it better and would also be invaluable to your potential bidders. There is fake Wedgwood on the market so the better your marks show, the better price you are likely to get.
I really liked the jugs pictured with a colored backdrop. It really helps to make the details of the pattern pop.
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cblev65252
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posted on October 11, 2008 03:05:13 PM
I just got back from my friend's house. Fortunately he lives a stone's throw away and is an antiques dealer. The piece is mid to late 1800's, although without his books handy he didn't give me an exact age. The omission of the word England was a clue that it is before 1891. I was able to tell him the date of 1878. It felt great to be able to tell him something for a change.  From what he told me, these were utilitarian pieces meant to be used. This one was and there is evidence of that. The painting is much better than it photographed. I will take different pictures when time permits. The band is brown not luster. It's the color of the dogs in the background. The markings on the bottom are (as my friend in London says) spot on.
The color is under a clear glaze! Where you see color missing is were the glaze has also been chipped a bit.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 08:02:33 PM
Hi Cheryl, good to know. I had never seen a piece of Wedgwood with painting over glaze but then there is a lot of Wedgwood I have never seen. Hope my comments did not scare you too much. I was just trying to fathom how the colors had chipped.
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pixiamom
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posted on October 11, 2008 08:22:16 PM
Isn't the color under glaze? A basic technique in my circa 1960 ceramics class!
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 09:50:16 PM
Color can be under or on top of the clear glaze.
With better pottery/ceramics, the hand painted design will be applied followed by a clear glaze. You get a lasting design and better definition but it is more expensive because if the colors turn or run during firing, the piece will be no good.
If you look at cheaper pottery, often a solid color glaze is applied and fired and then the hand painted colors are applied and may or may not be fired. If the design is not fired, it will easily chip or wear with use.
Cheryl, I do not know if it is my monitor or not but the base band on your jug looks pumpkin orange on my screen.
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LtRay
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posted on October 11, 2008 09:58:52 PM
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cblev65252
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posted on October 12, 2008 09:59:13 AM
Yes, the color is under glaze and the color is more vibrant than the modern one. I do see it referred to as Majolica, but I'm not sure if I'd call it that. There are clear differences. While mine looks hand painted, the more modern one does not. I'll try to get a better pic today. Right now I've got a bit of a hangover! Celebrated my b-day too much last night. All I know is that once the band announced by b-day, beers kept showing up at my table.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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LtRay
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posted on October 12, 2008 11:10:23 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to YOU!
oops, I'll make that a little quieter...
happy birthday to you.
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niel35
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posted on October 12, 2008 11:18:39 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHERYL
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carolinetyler
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posted on October 13, 2008 06:46:54 AM
Something is not ringing true with that piece, and I'm not sure what. It is just not the quality of Wedgwood. The paint looks to be a repaint or something, the colors are to vibrant or 'hot' it just doesn't look right.
Happy Birthday by the way!
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 Caroline
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cblev65252
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posted on October 13, 2008 07:05:11 AM
Caroline - It was not repainted and it's not as vibrant as the photos show. That's too much contrast in my pictures. It is painted very well, but I can't get a photo to show that. They all look like the ones I have posted here. I even tried without a flash. I do know for a fact that it is over 100 years old as I do trust my friend's opinion. He's been in the business for many, many years. There is also age crazing and a crack at the spout which seems to be the norm from what I'm seeing in other antique pieces like this.
I don't know if this one is any better:
Cheryl
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LtRay
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posted on October 13, 2008 09:10:19 AM
Yes, I like that one much better.
I had the same nagging feeling as Carolyn. The paint quality is not what we tend to expect from Wedgwood but then even they may have had off days or trainee pieces.
I'm sure the true Wedgwood collectors can sort it out.
OT, when I had my shop I accepted the most beautiful Wedgwood bowl on consignment. Had it not been properly marked I would have never guessed it was Wedgwood. The glaze was an awesome deep cobalt blue with a decorative majolica band around the shoulder and it was finished with a sterling silver rim.
It looked very much like this piece from Charles Washburne's Antigues except the bowl had just one band and the sterling collar.
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cblev65252
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posted on October 13, 2008 09:30:01 AM
Ltray - I'm thinking this could be a trainee or student piece. The age is there and the paint is under the glaze except in one spot where there may have either been a glaze skip or someone did repaint the boots on one side. It's just too hard to tell. I'll just list it with these points noted.
Cheryl
Whitman said she and McCain share a philosophy of scaling back the role of government. a point of view partly shaped by her EBay experience. "The EBay model is very Republican in its essence -- it's about making a small number of rules and getting out of the way while not overtaxing the community," she said.
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