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 amber
 
posted on December 7, 2009 08:26:02 AM new
I have a small antique dish. It has leaves and flowers outlined in raised gold, and raised gold dots around the scalloped rim. The marks on the bottom are so faint, they are impossible to read apart from "hand painted" and there is a 5 petal flower with something written underneath, all in blue. We got a high powered magnifying glass, but we can't decipher one letter.



I am thinking maybe Prussian?
 
 max40
 
posted on December 7, 2009 09:30:58 AM new
Nippon. Check Japanese marks.

 
 amber
 
posted on December 7, 2009 10:16:12 AM new
Thanks Max, I have been through every site I can find with Nippon china, and there is not anything even similar. The nearest mark I can find is Oscar Schlegelmilch Prussian, which looks like the same flower, but with 4 petals instead of 5. Does anyone have a site for Nippon with the flower mark? It has the 5 petals and a little curved stem.

 
 otteropp
 
posted on December 7, 2009 11:10:55 AM new
My immediate reaction is Nippon too. It is a gorgeous piece.

Here's a site for you http://antiques.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&zTi=1&sdn=antiques&cdn=homegarden&tm=14&gps=77_2885_995_532&f=10&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.nipponcollectorsclub.com/index.html

Can you show us a picture of the backstamp even though it is faint?

 
 LtRay
 
posted on December 7, 2009 11:15:37 AM new
Amber, I think you are on the right track with the Prussian.

Have you checked the marks here? http://userpages.cheshire.net/~goldengoose/marks.htm
 
 max40
 
posted on December 7, 2009 12:03:32 PM new
http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/index_jap_marks.htm?http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturyjapan.shtml

 
 amber
 
posted on December 7, 2009 12:06:29 PM new
Otteropp, thanks for the site. I have checked carefully, and I am pretty sure now that is the flower backstamp with a back-to-front "N". I have looked at the lot of the Nippon pieces, and this is certainly very similar.


LtRay, I was sure it was Prussian too, but the backstamp is just a bit different.

 
 LtRay
 
posted on December 7, 2009 12:26:47 PM new
I was thinking Prussian because the moriage is not very well applied and the colors are similar to the Czech porcelains of the 20's and 30's. But then, Japan at that time was what China is today. They would copy whatever was popular in Europe and produce it cheaper and often better than Europe could.
 
 ms24ktau
 
posted on December 8, 2009 05:36:37 AM new
Hello...I looked in a book called A collectors guide to Made In Japan and found two very similar marks, but not exactly the same...they include the same flower. You might google "Nippon Toki Kasha", or "Maruka Tajimi Bocki Shokai". I dont know if these will help, but you never know, Marian

 
 fluffythewondercat
 
posted on December 8, 2009 05:24:27 PM new
I think that's an early Noritake mark.

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 otteropp
 
posted on December 8, 2009 07:18:11 PM new
Amber,

Here's the page with the Flower marks

http://antiques.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&zTi=1&sdn=antiques&cdn=homegarden&tm=14&gps=77_2885_995_532&f=10&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.nipponcollectorsclub.com/index.html

 
 amber
 
posted on December 9, 2009 04:20:46 AM new
Thanks otteropp, that's a great site. Aparently mine is a Nippon cherry blossom mark, that's good to know.
Thanks Fluff, it might be Noritake, but there is no mention of it on the piece, so I guess I can't say that on the listing. On most of the marks, Noritake is written above the flower.
There are 362 Nippon marks!

 
 
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