posted on July 4, 2010 12:58:44 AM new
I have a store and it appears that i am getting some free listings. I did not think i would. Check your billing section. Perhaps its because i also do mainly auctions and some store listings. Dont know.
posted on July 4, 2010 10:29:55 AM new
Aren't you store sellers already getting a pretty good deal?
You get full visibility for your items now, right?
I actually qualify for this promotion. No idea what to list, though. Selling books on Amazon is so easy and hassle-free, I'm not sure I want to waste time with eBay.
eBay seems to have a glimmer of a clue that the listing process is too cumbersome by buying RedLaser, but since their typical play execution usually results in a fumble...
posted on July 4, 2010 10:39:04 AM new
fluffy- consider this... sellers with stores have to pay a monthly fee no matter what they list and still have to pay a listing fee on top of that. so, either way store sellers are still paying eBay whether we list or not.
visibility is based on rankings and dsrs. so, in some ways yes, in others no.
plus, if ebay wants quality items listed they should be looking at giving promotions to store sellers who have the infrastructure set up to bring in more sales than the non-store seller.
the biggest problem here is the flooding of crap that will be launched on eBay. I can't be certain, but I doubt there is much demand for half bottles of used shampoo.
posted on July 4, 2010 12:47:09 PM new
This incentive focus is to lure higher priced items via the auction format. Once the ending price hits $90.62, a store owner benefits more without the free listing incentive. It does not make sense for high dollar items to be listed via auction without the commission break that is provided for store owners (or charging that extra fee as part of the starting bid). Non-store auction final value fee rate is 9%. Store owners have a tier with the first tier being 8.75% ($0 - $50) second tier ($50.01 - $1000) being 4% and third tier 2% (> $1000).
Item listed/ends at $24.99
Non-store Fee:
Listing $0.00
Commission $2.25
Store Fee:
Listing $0.50
Commission $2.19
Costs more to list for store.
Item listed/ends at $49.99
No-store Fee:
Listing $0.00
Commission $4.50
Store Fee:
Listing $0.75
Commission $4.37
Costs more to list for store.
Item listed/ends at $100.00
No-store Fee:
Listing $0.00
Commission $9.00
Store Fee:
Listing $1.00
Commission $6.38
Anything above $90.62 is the point at which ebay makes more off a non-store versus a store listing.
posted on July 5, 2010 09:16:24 AM newthe biggest problem here is the flooding of crap that will be launched on eBay
You know what? I think that is largely a myth.
If it were actually *easy* to list things on eBay, then I'd agree with you. But it's not a casual endeavor. And we're not going to see people putting up, say, the 201st copy of the latest Stephen King novel, because it won't be a 3-cent listing that sits in the store forever. One week and it's done. When store listings were cheap GTCs every day was a crapfest.
Another possible reason that eBay didn't extend this promo to store sellers is that they don't want more of what you already have. Not that there's anything wrong with what you have -- but if you've shopped on eBay lately you may have noticed in areas not dominated by megasellers the supply is kind of sparse.
posted on July 6, 2010 12:25:00 AM new
Most sellers have more than one seller ID,why cant you use a non store ID to list 99 cents auctions free
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 6, 2010 04:27:55 PM new
If you have a premium store,your listing fee is only 5 cents,why bother to list the same item at 99 cents starting bid free and risk the chance it could end at 99 cents.
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 6, 2010 05:58:37 PM new
If you list to eBay using Vendio's old platform , which many of us still use, there is an additional fee of 6 cents/week, or 24 cents/month. That eBay store listing will end up costing a seller 29 cents/month. Basic store seller would pay 44 cents/month. Plus eBay and Vendio FVFs.
List FP without an eBay store, eBay and Vendio fees would be 74 cents/month, plus FVFs.
posted on July 7, 2010 01:23:27 AM new
lising fee is part of overrall business expense when you sell something for a profit.
It was never a big issue when anything everything sells,or if you have a high sell thru rate,now if you launch 100 items and only 23 sold,then it becomes an issue.
We should look around and list items which will sell at a good profit,like they said it is quality,not quantity which counts.
If an item sells at a fair price,my last concern is listing fee,it is the paypal fee,ebay FVF,chargeback fee,dispute which keep me awake at night
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 7, 2010 08:56:07 AM new
hwahwa, how cavalier you are with listing expenses. My point was a reminder to those who use a third party to list items to eBay.
posted on July 7, 2010 02:56:15 PM new
I am in Hong Kong right now,down in the valley there used to be a traditional Chinese eatery which serves traditional Chinese breakfast-porridge,Chinese donut,noodles, dumpling,the tab for one is never over 5 dollars.
Now it is closed,how can you meet skyhigh rent selling donut and porridge?
In its place is a pet grooming shop.
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 8, 2010 08:12:59 AM new
hwahwa - Most of us don't have the luxury to spend time in China buying cheap figurines of buddah, let alone have a market for that crap.
there are tons of businesses that survive just fine with low dollar merchandise. we can always turn to the "its about quality vs. quantity" argument, however I don't think this is always valid.
Here in Portland, there are more coffee shops than people (I exaggerate of course, but you get the idea). Stumptown coffee has a huge location in a high rent area of town. They peddle their coffee no more than $1.50-4 a cup (depending on how you have it). They don't sell much more than coffee and pastries. In my opinion, and that of many coffee enthusiasts, Stumptown is the best coffee out there. So, their approach of quality AND quantity makes them profitable even at $1.50-4 sales points.
Every business model is different. Some succeed, some don't.
Our store is located next to a coffee shop. They sell Portland Roasting coffee. I think this coffee is terrible and this particular location makes the coffee so hot, that they scorch the beans. They sell wine, have tried to sell espresso machines, candy, pastries, etc. Most everything just sits there, with the exception of some wines. They can manage this place usually with one person, they are very slow, and everything is mediocre at best. Yesterday, we walked by and there were two people inside. The owner was sleeping in the corner, mouth agape. For the last year, he has closed on Mondays. All of the other coffee shops in the area are busy except him. He cuts corners on just about everything, and it shows. He only survives from doing wine tastings at night. He has wifi, but nobody knows because there is no sign advertising it. Someone wrote graffiti on his window, and it took him 2 weeks to wipe it off (I walked by and scraped a small part of it off with my fingernail, so I know it was a very easy thing to do). His lighting is terrible. Unless it is dark outside or you walk by, you can barely tell there is a business there. It is frustrating being a business neighbor to a place that should be constantly busy... but it just isn't so.
posted on July 8, 2010 10:58:57 AM new
So make an offer to buy his store. His heart clearly isn't in it; it might not take all that much money. Knock a hole in the adjacent wall and you get coffee buyers who browse your store as well as furniture buyers who buy coffee too. Synergy, baby.
posted on July 8, 2010 04:23:11 PM new
I have wandered thru high rent district of East Side Manhattan,French Quarter of New Orleans,Tokyo and often wonder what some of these store owners are thinking and how did they manage to afford high rent?
It turns out they own the building,they lived upstairs or behind the store ,it becomes a way of life,water the plants,deepfried a few tempura shrimp,arrange and rearrange the books on the shelf,chatted with nieghbors who dropped by,slurped their soup noodles by the cashier.
They get a pension check each month,their expenses are miminal,they could be borrowng from their building to play the stock market,what would they do if they dont have this store?
If you try to copy their business model without owning that piece of real estate,you wont last more than 3 months.
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 8, 2010 04:38:37 PM new
I was suggesting and I think Fluffy was too that Shag buy the business not to run as a 'stand alone' Coffee shop but to expand his own business and to add a Coffee or Juice Bar so that the customers can relax while they shop or vice versa!
I do agree with you hwahwa on the point that you made.
There are many businesses that I have come across that are just something for the owner to do when they retired and they just run it as a Tax Loss which will eventually catch up with them as you can only declare losses for so long before Revenue Canada puts a stop to it as you have to have a 'reasonable expectation of profit after 3 years'. I am sure that the IRS has similiar rules.
posted on July 8, 2010 09:41:56 PM new
So, today I walked by and their Air Conditioner is broken... 101 degrees today here in Portland and I am in my very cool 72 degree store packing up those chairs I just sold on eBay.
I kept thinking, "is it better to be working hard packing chairs up, or to be sitting in 90+ degree heat with no air movement waiting for the next customer to show up."
I would be downing some cold ones... but he sells Pyramid beers in the bottle. I could go across the street to the pharmacy (Rite Aid) and buy some beer, wine, and cigarettes... go figure.
posted on July 9, 2010 01:07:10 AM new
retail business fails every day,every nanno second some business somewhere fails.
If not Kuala Lumpur,then New Orleans or Witchita Kansas .
99.999% of ebay sellers lose money,we just dont want to admit it.
Thats why I am against picking up the Vendio coupon and buy one here and one there from Chinese sellers,what do you do for encore?
I am not in Asia to pick up cheap Buddha,I have been back and forth between USA and HK due to my parents condition in the last few years.
My mother past away last week,and my father is in hospital heavily sedated with morphine,at this stage,death is a relief,no more senseless suffering.
The tourist area is suffering too,I can count the Occidental tourists on Nathan Rd,Kowloon,maybe 10.
Someone just paid 25 million us dollars for a 500 sq ft condo in Tsim Sha Tsui,makes you wonder if every citizen of HK should get up and sell his or her abode to the mainland Chinese who want to have an address in HK,and use the proceeds to buy TEN houses in Detroit?
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There is no 'Global savings glut',only wild horses and loose bankers.
posted on July 9, 2010 05:04:13 AM new
Hwahwa, your unique perspective is especially interesting and right on target. You are so right when you suggest that copying their business model without owning the real estate would fail.
