stockticker
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posted on July 17, 2000 12:20:41 PM new
So what is your excuse for not accomplishing great things? 
Irene
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RainyBear
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posted on July 17, 2000 12:30:01 PM new
The age at which someone accomplishes something doesn't matter. If a bright person has something to contribute to society, it only makes sense that he or she wouldn't wait until age 45 or 50 to do it.
Those who are old now were once young, those who are young now will soon be old, and on and on. Age is irrelevant.
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mauimoods
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posted on July 17, 2000 12:44:35 PM new
Sheesh.
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stockticker
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posted on July 17, 2000 12:51:03 PM new
Marvin: I suspect that you would find the world a very expensive (not to mention dangerous) place indeed if any other criteron other than competence determined promotion or reward. Think about it.
The "Smart Young" don't need any special help. Cream rises to the top.
Irene
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snowyegret
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:07:22 PM new
Good afternoon, Marwin,
Three names just off the top of my head:
Michelangelo
Gandhi
The Pope
All old farts, and influenced a lot of people.
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:31:19 PM new
snowyegret: Michelangelo accomplished the vast majority of his great works before he was 50 or even 40. For instance he was born in 1475. The today-over-advertised Sistine Chapel was completed in 1512.
Gandhi was a politician. He was instrumental in obtaining the political independence of India from the British Crown. That is not an Invention, a Discovery, a Creation, a major New Idea, or anything at all really, other than a political career. Anyway he was born in 1869 and was the Leader of the Passive Resistance Movement long before he turned 40. He was important enough to be arrested in 1913 at age 44. So he had become very influential by then already.
The Pope? Which Pope? The current one? The one they have nicknamed the "Saint-Maker" in the Vatican because he approves every dubious "miracle" ever performed? More NEW Saints have been "recognized" under today's Pope than in the previous 500 years...).
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LSchramm13
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:34:02 PM new
If that is true, sounds as though you are into your 50's mentally instead of chronologically....
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:44:52 PM new
Didn't that Moses guy receive his calling at age 80?
Also, the 'Saint Maker' is probably more responsible than any one person alive for the demise of the Soviet Union.
James.
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:53:36 PM new
jamesoblivion: Moses wandered in the Sinai Desert for 40 years right?
Check out your map. The Sinai is about 200 miles long at the widest points...
Now, how many days would it take to walk 200 miles even with kids, pregnant women and all?
I guess Moses didn't invent the BEE LINE!
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thrinworks
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posted on July 17, 2000 01:57:37 PM new
Maybe you mean Grandma Moses... she got a late start.
Oh, there was that Noah guy too... he was pretty old when he started on the Ark.
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http://www6.50megs.com/thrinworks
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 17, 2000 02:08:46 PM new
The Bible doesn't say they "wandered" the desert for 40 years because that's how long the journey from Egypt to Canaan was. The Bible says that they wandered it so that only those who were born free would enter Canaan.
In any case, Moses' signifigance in world history doesn't lay in his nomadic navigatory skills, but rather in being the first in history to deliver an emphatic messages that humans "shall not murder" and "justice you shall surely pursue" as a matter of law.
James.
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 02:16:00 PM new
jamesoblivion: So how old was he when he delivered his message? You have his bio?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 17, 2000 02:24:01 PM new
First; I notice you haven't contested my point about the 'Saint Maker'.
Second; no, I don't have his bio. I take it you have issues with the historicity of the Bible. The historicity is irrelevant. What's relevant is that it is a genuinely ancient document and was light years ahead of its time, which we can see from the verses I've cited alone.
It claims that Moses was 80 when his career began. In any case, the Bible is a signifigant document whether or not someone has issues with part (or all) of its content, and it claims that it was penned by a senior citizen.
James.
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 02:47:17 PM new
jamesoblivion: I have no knowledge about the role the Saint-Maker played in the collapse of the Soviet Union. So, I'll take your word for it.
Regarding the historicity of the various texts I abide by the generally accepted findings of biblical scholars. For instance, that an editor assembled the first five books of the Bible by combining texts from several sources (known in scholarship as J. E. P. and D.) and that the next 6 books were assembled by a different editor and also had a new source (The Deuteronomistic historian, as he is known). etc.
I don't think we have a way of finding out how old any one of them was...
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xardon
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posted on July 17, 2000 02:58:11 PM new
Back in the late 60's there was a movie called "Wild in the Streets". Rent it, you may enjoy it, marwin. I was about 17 or so when I saw it. Made sense to me.
Can't help but wonder where your stats come from. I'm also curious as to whether all of those young inventors and such just retire early......after they've done all their accomplishing, of course.
In 20 years you will laugh at yourself for making this post. Good Health, marwin!
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:01:11 PM new
True; there were no birth certificates issued then. Do you accept the belief that Alexander the Great was 20 when he began his career? That's assumed to be true, but no one has ever seen a birth certificate.
I originally brought up Moses as a joke - sort of, but the truth is, his existence as a historical figure is uncontested by most reputable historians. While parts of the Bible seem very off (do you really think Noah was 600 years old?), the claim that Moses was 80 is very plausible for a simple reason -- [i]why not[i]?
Regarding the 'Saint Maker' - he was largely responsible for inspiring the Solidarity movement in Poland that was instrumental in toppling the Soviet Empire.
James.
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mauimoods
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:08:14 PM new
I was just fixin' to post about that movie Xardon...you beat me to it!
Ol' Marwin will like that flick, fer sure, dude.
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:18:18 PM new
xardon: Thank you I will see if I can get the movie. The video stores here don't have much choice. I've been trying to find "1900" for 3 weeks.
Look up any specialized dictionary, Music, Art, Science, etc. and figure out how old the Inventor, Composer, etc. was, provided it gives you the date of creation, and you will see.
Basically, the under 40 do and have done everything...
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marwin
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:24:54 PM new
jamesoblivion: Re" Alexander The Great. It's one of these many things we learn and never try to check. Yes, I was taught the same, was around for some 12 years, died at 31 or 32 something like that. All the many statues and coin effigies show him as a young man.
Could well be correct.
Lafayette was 18 when he came over...
In Medieval times you were considered past childhood at 7...
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grannyfox
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:26:07 PM new
Good Lord, statistics are confusing. Please Marwin...in order to come up with a 99% (or any other figure) you really do have to do some mathematical equations. But yours is an interesting hypothesis.
OAUA member. Interested? http://www.auctionusers.org
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tegan
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:28:27 PM new
Going back in History most people didn't live to a ripe old age. It doesn't amaze me that
you find a lot of acomplishments done by those under 40, a great many people back then didn't live to be too much older than that.
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bunnicula
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posted on July 17, 2000 03:29:34 PM new
When you consider that up until this century, most people didn't live past what *we* consider to be middle-age, it is hardly surprising that most things were discovered or invented by people under the age of 45
Edited to say: Tegan! you posted while I was typing! Great minds think alike! 
[ edited by bunnicula on Jul 17, 2000 03:31 PM ]
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tegan
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:22:16 PM new
bunnicula .... How can I have a great mind I'm over 40?
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bunnicula
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:29:09 PM new
Tegan: Me, too! At 45, according to this thread, I might just as well end it all as I have nothing left to contribute to society...
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barrybarris
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:30:03 PM new
I'm almost 49.
I have an idea that I am working on. Padded bathtubs.
If a fall happens there should be less injury.
A bubble bath would be more comfortable.
But due to my advanced age I don't stand a chance of making this idea work.
So, I'll just sit back in my rocking chair and wait for some young whipper snapper to come up with the idea.
Barry (think about it, a padded bathtub) Barris
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:33:04 PM new
marwin, your post sounds exactly like something my son would've said when he was 16 when he couldn't think of anything else to argue about. We were beginning to think corrective surgery was necessary, but by 19 his words started to come out of his mouth, rather than from the other end of his torso.
BTW, barry, the padded bathtub's already in production. It's made of very dense foam with a smooth surface, and is designed for use in handicapped-accessible bathrooms.
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Jul 17, 2000 04:34 PM ]
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pareau
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:42:43 PM new
HCQ is right! And there are bathtubs with doors in them, too!
I figured Marwin was Jerry12's son, feeling his oats. Given my extreme youth, I have nothing to worry about, of course.
- Pareau
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femme
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:52:26 PM new
"99% of everything which has been invented, discovered, created, has come from people under the age of 45."
Marwin,
I interpret this as the inventors, discoverers and creators were under 45 at the time of the inventions, etc., rather than are under the age of 45.
I would be interested to know from where you gleaned this information.
And, are the comments/suggestions from
"by the time people get to be 50...." to the end your own?
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barrybarris
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posted on July 17, 2000 04:56:43 PM new
HCQ and Pareau,
It's my advanced age again. Did I hust prove marwin is correct?..
Barry (at least I still listen to rock and roll) Barris
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pareau
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posted on July 17, 2000 05:12:56 PM new
Barry, have no fear. You're ageless. The picture of you with Sean Connery proved that, and the red hair was the clincher. Marwin's all bogged down thinking about politics and taxes. Icky old stuff!
Time for a mental pony ride!
- Pareau
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