kraftdinner
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posted on July 14, 2001 09:43:00 PM new
I heard a blurb on the radio about Charles Manson and how he's been turned down at all of his parole meetings, and I wondered if he would ever get out.
I understand what happened in the Tate LaBianca murders, but to my knowledge, Manson never killed anyone.
Do you think Manson was a "scapegoat" of that era, to show what happens to drug-induced people?
What are your thoughts?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 14, 2001 09:51:09 PM new
Of course not. He was a cult leader who instructed his zombies to murder people. I haven't ever heard it suggested that he was innocent of that.
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angel4u
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posted on July 14, 2001 09:52:18 PM new
He's not a scapegoat, he ordered the killings.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 14, 2001 10:46:37 PM new
I'm trying to be serious james!......as usual, you have me in hysterics 
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bunnicula
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posted on July 14, 2001 11:30:12 PM new
The man is a major loon--one hopes he never gets out of jail!
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krs
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posted on July 15, 2001 04:49:49 AM new
Charlie's a misunderstood genius. A guru, a reincarnation perhaps, who's only crime is committing the folly of allowing women to love him.
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gravid
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posted on July 15, 2001 05:05:03 AM new
I am in favor of allowing him parole as long as the parole board officers volunteer their homes as a half-way house to ease him back into civilian life.
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ziLvY
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posted on July 15, 2001 07:44:15 AM new
Posted by krs: Charlie's a misunderstood genius. A guru, a reincarnation perhaps, who's only crime is committing the folly of allowing women to love him.
Typing with tongue in cheek is definitely easier, albeit, less easily understood, but in the vein: Charlie & krs have the "folly of allowing women to love 'em" so maybe krs can help this genius!!
Let's hear it for..krs, krs, krs, krs, krs, krs, YESSSSS!
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gravid
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posted on July 15, 2001 08:20:11 AM new
You are way off track here because I remember krs recently posting about collecting fresh eggs when JUST A LITTLE GIRL.
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loosecannon
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:17:48 AM new
Manson was a career criminal way before "The Family" and the Tate/LaBianca murders happened. He was only 34 in 1969, but had already spent at least half of his years behind bars. So, he's now about 66 and has spent about 49 of those years in jail or prison.
He doesn't really want out. He loves it in there.
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loosecannon
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:36:56 AM new
At least one of his original "Family" followers (Sandra Goode?) maintains a Charlie website. Bobby Beausoleil has a website too, but he claims he was never actually a member of the Family and the murder he was convicted of was simply a drug deal gone bad. In '69 he was a very young rock musician with a promising future. He's still in the joint.
And Charlie was alledgedly personally involved in at least one murder other than Tate/LaBianca, that of the caretaker of the old Spahn movie ranch, but it was never proven (the body was never found). But the unfortunate victim is still supposedly buried somewhere in the hills behind where the old Spahn movie ranch was.
[ edited by loosecannon on Jul 15, 2001 09:41 AM ]
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JMHO2
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:44:10 AM new
This can't be a serious thread because I find it hard to believe that anyone could think he's innocent. I think that if they ever let him out, he should spend at least a year living with those that think he's done no wrong and it was some kind of plot to show us what happens to drug-induced people, etc.
Sheesh! Nothing more important to say?
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Triggerfish
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:44:51 AM new
Rest assured; Charles Manson will NEVER get out!
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loosecannon
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:04:16 AM new
It was/still is a very eerie case. Like Jack the Ripper. Still plenty of people interested in it.
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julesy
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:18:29 AM new
I read a while back that Manson showed up at one of his parole hearings with a wad of monopoly money...to bribe the board with.
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ziLvY
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:45:46 AM new
Good grief, he must have been rolling and smoking the wool blanket on his cot!
 Gravid we must not ever let the facts from another thread invade the perception of the current thread, under penalty of a harsh reality setting in!!
[ edited by ziLvY on Jul 15, 2001 10:48 AM ]
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:34:26 AM new
JMHO2 - I appreciate your comments, but I didn't say anywhere I thought he was innocent.
Stating that he never murdered anyone, is fact, to my knowledge.
Also, I didn't realize that people could be talked in to murdering someone.
If you think that Charles Manson is insane, why isn't he receiving help?
Also JMHO2, as far as me having nothing more important to say, I ALWAYS have questions about things, and have gotten a lot of great answers here. I find this topic very interesting, but if you don't, you can just say so without attacking me.
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loosecannon
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:58:29 AM new
I don't think Manson is insane at all. I think he gets a kick out of acting insane, and trying to scare people.
Would someone that really wants to get out of prison pull his antics with the parole board and whatnot? No. Prison is just about all he has ever known in life. I don't think he really cares if he ever gets out. Three hots and a cot.
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JMHO2
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posted on July 15, 2001 12:18:06 PM new
Kraftdinner, I don't think I attacked you. You brought up a controversial topic and you feel attacked if just one person says they hope it's a joke?
People can be persuaded into killing other people. Ever hear of cults? I'm sure you have. Charasmatic leaders - yes Manson was one - even though he's as ugly as hedoublehockeysticks.
Were you around when he ordered the murders? I was - it was horrifying that something like that could happen.
I never said he was insane. He refused help anyway. He's beyond redemption. He doesn't even know who Jesus is let alone find him in prison.
There are a great many books about the Tate murders in the library. Stop in and ask your librarian, but don't be shocked if she thinks you have a morbid interest. LOL
Manson cannot and will not survive on the outside. If he's ever let out he'll do it all over again.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:02:40 PM new
JMHO2, don't you think most of what he does is an act? He probably knows he'll never get out of prison, so what's he got to lose by acting like the movie star/singer he wanted to be?
Yes, I was around when the murders happened and remember it all too well. I also remember it was a heavy drug use period.
My main concern is from a legal standpoint regarding the trial and incarcerations. Also, my concern is for Manson being viewed as the "worst man alive" because he "ordered" these killings. I see him being a scapegoat in many ways.
Do I have a morbid curiosity? Only if wanting to know if the trial was bias. If this group was a bunch of drug-free, clean cut Harvard graduates, I wonder if they would have been treated the same?
And just for clarification JMHO2, the attack on me I was referring to was "Nothing more important to say?", not that my topic was a joke.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:07:23 PM new
Kraft, it is doubtful too that Hitler participated in the murders of his victims, but rather he "ordered them".
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uaru
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:20:18 PM new
Also, I didn't realize that people could be talked in to murdering someone.
Do you know why the mayor of York, Pennsylvania is on trial?
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urdahl50
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posted on July 15, 2001 02:55:04 PM new
I had the pleasure of meeting this man. YIKES! I was scared to death and didn't even know who he was until after the murders. Soooooo, do you want to hear the story!!
I was 17 at the time now I am a grandmother. My friend and I were hitch hiking on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. (not making this up) and he and some of his buddies picked us up. I think there were 2 females and two males in the car. The car was a big black something out of the 1920's. We got in and asked where they were going and no one would speak to us. We asked several questions, and all we got was silence. Finally I freaked out and started screaming that I wanted out of the car. This went on for several minutes before the driver pulled over and let us out. Not ONE word was spoken by anyone. About two months later there he was in the Paper Charlie Manson.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 15, 2001 03:01:47 PM new
Now *that* is spooky!
Has anyone ever heard Charles Manson's music? It sounds like Zappa and the Mothers on extra acid. Now that is saying something. Scary, scary man.
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on July 15, 2001 03:06:13 PM new
Yet another reason not to hitchhike - you NEVER know who might pick you up. Geez, you and your friend could easily have been on his victim's list ... or you could have become a "family" member. It almost makes you wonder how many joined the "family" like that.
That is scary!
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 15, 2001 03:38:59 PM new
Come on james.....you can't compare military rule to what Manson did....
As far as his music went, the critics seemed to like it (if you can believe it) and thought he had a promising career.....I feel that, based on his music alone, he should be in jail
urdahl50....I've never known anyone who actually came face to face with him. You must've just about peed your pants when you found out who he was. I'm glad you're still with us.
uaru, if drugs are involved, I think these kind of murders have a deeper root that should be looked at, that's all.
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urdahl50
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posted on July 15, 2001 05:17:45 PM new
Yep! I was lucky (if you call meeting him lucky) I always have wondered how many others were killed that they never found. Maybe at the ranch?? Stupid is what I was.
P.S. Hey Kraftdinner love that name.
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uaru
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posted on July 15, 2001 05:41:30 PM new
Shoko Asahara was a religious leader, so close to being blind I doubt he could find the front door. But his 'call to arms' that had sarin gas released in a Tokyo subway system has few calling him a 'scapegoat.' The muslim leader that had his followers bomb the world trade center was blind, I don't think they had much opposition to putting him away for life. You don't have to pull the trigger to be a murder. I don't think your going to drum up a lot of support for those religious leaders or Manson.
I don't think drugs had anything to do with Manson and his follower's actions. I took some pretty hairy doses of LSD in the late 60s early 70s and I never had a craving to kill anyone and write lyrics on the wall in blood (much less get others to join me.) I might have been out of my mind, but I never left planet earth.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 15, 2001 06:10:10 PM new
I shudder  to even think about any of this group/cult ever being released.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 15, 2001 06:43:10 PM new
"I don't think your going to drum up a lot of support for those religious leaders or Manson."
Oh pleeeeze uaru......I'm not trying to drum up support in any way. Just trying to find out what you think about the thought of him ever being paroled, or if you thought he was a scapegoat.
urdahl50 - Thanks!!
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