posted on July 16, 2001 09:05:26 AM new
This stuff is soft analysis, meaning that it's essentially conjecture. But the opinions here are taking from some of the most experienced researchers and historians around.
I don't think that their thoughts should be dismissed lightly.
posted on July 16, 2001 04:40:37 PM new
I'm already aware of the upcoming military action. I called Cleo and got a tarot reading and learned of some things to look forward to in the next 4 years.
1) A major hollywood star will be getting a divorce.
2) There will be a scandal in the whitehouse over the actions of one of Bush's cabinet members.
3) We will become involved in a military action in a 3rd world country.
Time will tell, it is possible that she does indeed have psychic powers. I'm amazed how she made such hardline predictions.
posted on July 16, 2001 09:20:26 PM new
It's not military action that they plan, it's annihilation for dominance without resistance. They are actually planning a casualty free engagement. They know that that is really the best hope because the Chinese have almost limitless human resources and are rapidly tooling up to equip a massive army. If you doubt that too, pollyanna, just go to any tool store, machine tool outlet, flea market, or whatever and see the range of complicated metal things that are imported from China. It's not hard to change those manufacturing factories into arms factories. We did it in WW2 with good speed and efficiency. The Singer sewing machine co. made .45 cal pistols, Underwood typewriters became M1 carbines, for example.
This has been a rightwing goal since the end of WW2.
posted on July 16, 2001 10:09:02 PM newkrsIf you doubt that too, pollyanna, just go to any tool store, machine tool outlet, flea market, or whatever and see the range of complicated metal things that are imported from China. It's not hard to change those manufacturing factories into arms factories.
Yeah, I was looking at a VCR made in China recently, I noticed how they could slap a couple jet turbines and some wings on that sucker and have a supersonic fighter with little effort. Those inflatable beach rafts made in China need to be simply made larger and they'll have an instant fleet of super-carriers.
The end is near, repent now, avoid the last minute crowds.
posted on July 16, 2001 10:24:18 PM new
Yeah they may have the power, human power, and military arms.. nuclear? we don't know enough... though we do know they do NOT have the delivery capabilities of any ICBMs.
uaru-would that work on this ole DVD player Made in China too?
posted on July 16, 2001 10:41:02 PM new
See this machine? It's CNC (computer numeric control) and is capable of making fine tolerance parts for anything imaginable of steel. They're selling stuff like this all over this country and are becoming industry standard even in our industries because they come off cheaper, perhaps not as nicely finished, but completely capable. With that machine and a lathe I could make you a fully automatic rifle or a multi rapid firing rocket launcher using plans already here.
posted on July 16, 2001 11:02:01 PM new
They've had plans like this for a few years on the internet, and before that, in those Soldier of Fortune, mercenary mags, whatever they are, for a long time, any kid in jr high with enough brain cells left can build power
Actually Krs I know you can build a gun, and a pretty nice one, cuz I've seen it.
So... we do have these plans anywhere, we can buy the parts.... we, but what are we going to do with all this?
I thought you were talking about war, or are you talking like someone else was, about some revolution here in our own country?
posted on July 16, 2001 11:24:04 PM newkrsWith that machine and a lathe I could make you a fully automatic rifle...
I'm not sure what network you tuned into during the gulf war, but there was very little coverage of bayonet charges on the footage I saw. I'll be the first to admit that if bayonet charges come back into fashion then the Chinese will be a formidable foe. In a high tech conflict they'd probably face the same problems the Iraqis faced using Chinese weapons.
posted on July 17, 2001 12:14:20 AM new
I doesn't matter how high tech it is, it always comes down to grunts. It did in Iraq, but the Iraquis fielded thousands of bodies who'd rather have been home and didn't equip them.
Halfway into the so called 'air war' there were objections being raised here about the costs, and later analysis showed that much of the tech stuff was problematic and didn't perform as it was publicized to have performed. That wasn't a war--it was papa bush playing out his version of 'ride my white stallion unto victory'. Wasn't he surprised when it didn't get him re-elected? All politics, not much war, and nothing won at all.
posted on July 17, 2001 02:02:47 AM new
Actually two points I would argue here.
China does have about a dozen ICBM's
Right now the biggest thing keeping them from being used is not that they might be shot down but that the response would likely be in the neighborhood of 500 or 600 weapons that would kill a quarter to a third of the population of China. This would literally be a decimation of the human race.
In Iraq the rifle equiped solders were sometimes buried alive by tanks with a bulldozer blade on the front which went down the trench they were in and simply plowed them under without firing a shot.
It takes a lot more than a mass of men with small arms now - but that CNC can make antitank weapons if they know how to make effective ones.
posted on July 17, 2001 02:25:47 AM new
Although the machinery that they're flooding the world market with is really pretty impressive, it isn't my point. What they have developed is an industrial capability to produce anything they need. Remember that Hitler invaded Poland in a massive one day assault that took the world by surprise. Where did his weapons come from? They were developed in violation of the restrictions imposed upon Germany after WW1 as farm equipment, automobiles, bicycles, cameras, and a few defensive weapons which were allowed. Germany built a war machine right under the noses of the rest of the world.
For those who say 'oh, yeah, but our high tech weapons could never be defeated by those toys' remember that the good surgeon who invented the Gatling gun convinced himself and much of the world that he had contributed a weapon so awesome as to curtail all war in the future.
posted on July 17, 2001 03:00:08 AM new
The air war against the Iraqis was such that they were running from their tanks at the sound of an aircraft. Their were videos of Iraqis trying to surrender to pilotless drone planes. The Iraqis were limited to getting their planes in the air only to try and fly them to Iran to save them from destruction.
