uaru
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posted on July 19, 2001 07:57:52 PM new
Here's a story that registers a slight reading on my Richter scale when ever it is brought up. They are calling for reparations for slavery victims. I think this is a Pandora's box that should never be opened. I'm not denying their have been injustices in the pass but I am objecting to paying fines for my great, great, great, grandfather's sins. Will similar reparations be offered to the Saxons? I'm still a bit irked about the invasion from the Normans. I can see where Italy would have a helluva bill to pay. Didn't Rome have a few issues?
If my great, great, grandfather was wronged as a twinkle in his eye am I allowed to sue?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 19, 2001 08:01:10 PM new
I guess if we can have a hundred Bush threads we can have another reparations thread. 
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uaru
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posted on July 19, 2001 08:11:12 PM new
hehehe... I missed that thread and the story was just on the AP wire.
Okay, how about reparations for Bush threads then?
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jmcsportscards
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posted on July 19, 2001 08:42:45 PM new
ok this id something that does touch a nerve. First of all, they need to trace their roots a little farther. WHO SOLD THE SLAVES TO THE WHITE PEOPLE?? If they will do a little research over 1/2 were not captured by slave traders but sold to the traders by their own black clans and chiefs. As a fact it still goes on today. Have to throw this in also why do they say my southernor flag the stars and bars represents slaverly as I recall teh slaves were brought innto the us under the American flag
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 19, 2001 09:14:14 PM new
jmcsportscards - are you referring to the Confederate flag? Maybe it's because the first slaves to arrive in the U.S. cames to South Carolina where they planted rice on the Savannah, then North Carolina, etc., etc.
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uaru
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posted on July 19, 2001 09:25:38 PM new
I don't believe the 'stars and bars' or 'old glory' existed when the first slaves arrived.
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Baduizm
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posted on July 19, 2001 09:26:09 PM new
Nevermind. I'm not even going to there.
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hepburn
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posted on July 19, 2001 09:47:37 PM new
Baduizm, me neither.
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KatyD
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posted on July 19, 2001 09:53:51 PM new
Southerners have their OWN flag? Hmm.
KatyD
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Borillar
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posted on July 19, 2001 10:13:23 PM new
Like I said before, Southerners who are yakking about the Confederate flag being a rememberance of "Southern Pride / of tradition" need to be reminded that the lifestyle that they are so proud of was only made possible by the whips on the backs of slaves. Then Southerners who support the use and display of the Confederate flag pretend to be so shocked at everyone's attitude, "Why are they involving themselves inthis? Why are black people making a slavery issue out of it?" Real stupidy or feigned -- take your pick.
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krs
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posted on July 19, 2001 10:34:13 PM new
Uaru is right-there was slavery here under the king of England in the colonies from as early as 1650, maybe before that.
Bet you didn't know that the first person to die from British gunfire for the American Revolution was an escaped slave named Crispus Attucks who was the first of three to fall at those riots in Boston harbor in 1770.
got his name backasswards
[ edited by krs on Jul 19, 2001 10:36 PM ]
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brie49
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posted on July 19, 2001 11:17:11 PM new
My question is how are they going to prove/document who was a slave, when and where. Since most of the early slaves were forbidden to read & write, most of today's slave history is passed down word of mouth. And we all know how stories become embellished over time. Plus, the slave brokers named the slaves. So how do they know someone named whatever from whatever country is really so-and-so who picked cotton or tobacco in Georgia or Alabama?
I recently sold a slave narrative book on eBay (after reading it, of course), that was published in 1969 and it said it was the first literary slave narrative book published that had documented proof that the three men telling their stories in the book, were really who and what they were.
Seems like they are opening more than a can of worms! I'm not denying any of these people what is coming to them. Lord knows they deserve more, but as they say, proof is in the pudding, and I don't think anyone who is working on this project knows how to make pudding...
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kcpick4u
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posted on July 19, 2001 11:26:36 PM new
Borillar
you have been down this road before with no resolve why bother?
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uaru
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posted on July 19, 2001 11:31:26 PM new
You could always put a condition on reparation. We'll pay reparation which will include a one way ticket and repatriation to your region or country of origin.
I doubt there would be many wanting to head back to Ivory Coast to work on a cocoa plantation or Rwhanda were they might find themselves having to take sides in a Hutu/Tutsi conflict.
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bunnicula
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posted on July 19, 2001 11:49:44 PM new
There is no one alive to make reparations to. Sorry, but that's a fact. *My* ancestors were conquered & sent back to Rome as slaves--should I rush out & demand reparations? Most Irish Americans are descended from folks who had their land stolen & were starved and beaten by the English...I guess they should demand reparations. The Spanish Inquisition went on for over 300 years, torturing & killing many thousands--should the descendants of the victims demand reparation?
Not one single black American alive today is or ever was a slave. If someone can find a 136+ year-old person who was a slave, then reparations should be made to him/her. No one else.
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kcpick4u
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posted on July 19, 2001 11:53:16 PM new
Early in the 60's during then height of the civil rights movement. Several hundred left to return to the motherland. Soon after their arrival to Africa they symbolically threw their passports in to the ocean vowing to never return to the U.S. Several days had transpired and a mass of people were noticed combing the beach. The locals were curious to what was going on, they soon discovered that those who had thrown their passports away were trying to find them again.
[ edited by kcpick4u on Jul 19, 2001 11:56 PM ]
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jlpiece
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posted on July 20, 2001 04:06:54 AM new
The African country of Liberia was founded by black Americans, most of which were former or freed slaves. Initially, it was even founded based loosely on the American model. Imagine that.
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krs
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posted on July 20, 2001 04:45:46 AM new
Not quite.
Liberia was founded, purportedly by American abolutionists, as an attempt to establish an American colony on the African continent, and it was heavily critisized for being a slaveholder plot to create a source for future slaves. Whether it was that, or whether it was an idealist attempt to establish a colony of free black men who could live free never really was established.
An organization in the US had supported the effort initially, but when the United States repeatedly refused to declare the country a colony the org pulled it's support. Under very heavy pressure from Britain to become a colony of the British Empire, Liberia was forced to declare it's independence. They had wished to be an American colony but did not wish to be a British one.
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Microbes
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posted on July 20, 2001 09:21:24 AM new
How about being fair and paying those of us who's ancestors fought the Confederacy and freed the slaves 3 times what those who's ancestors where slaves get.
Pay me back for my Great Great Grandfather freeing your Great Great Grandmother from slavery (and losing a leg in the bargin), and I won't have a problem with it.
Who Need's a stink'n Sig. File?
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