posted on July 24, 2001 02:22:38 PM new
I just saw this story on the evening news. Some members of the victim's family are saying they would like to see the death penalty imposed.
The story describes how a well-meaning man from Queens encountered a group of four people at a service station on the Belt Parkway in the New York area. The people -- two men, a woman and a 4 year old child -- explained that their car had broken down en route from Philadelphia back home to Brooklyn. The good samaritan offered them a lift in his Lincoln Navigator back to Brooklyn.
Once they were in the car, they carjacked the Lincoln to Crown Heights and shot the good samaritan in the head as he plead for his life and as the woman commanded her cohorts to "Pop him! Pop him!" They shot him in front of the child.
posted on July 24, 2001 02:38:19 PM new
I saw the story when it was on the AP wire. Yeah, it did sound brutal. Can someone explain the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder to me. When you execute someone in a cold and calculating manner like that I think you're dealing with monsters, not humans.
posted on July 24, 2001 02:38:31 PM new
From his name he was probably Indian - so it is not like he was a real person to these creeps - right?
And they were arrested cruising around in his car. What a bunch of low wattage bulbs.
posted on July 24, 2001 03:30:15 PM new
Yes, Helen. That whole article has a "National Enquirish" tone to it, doesn't it? And it only took THREE correspondents to write it.
posted on July 24, 2001 03:41:06 PM new
Obviously they were caught "red-handed" (sorry, couldnt resist), and the one guy admitted it was cold blooded murder as well as car jacking. So yes, poke them with a needle and get them gone.
posted on July 24, 2001 03:50:33 PM new
From the article we know that both men had guns. I guess I will have to assume they did not have permits to carry. They were hanging out and used a ruse to get the good guy to give them a ride. The woman wanted the
men to "pop" the good Samaratin.
They obviously plotted to car jack and planned to "off" whoever was good enough to give them a ride. Get the child to DSS and
HANG the perps!
It was planned. They did the deed, they were either caught red handed or surrendered. Show the same mercy they gave the person who cared enough to stop and help them.
Worst of all they had a child with them, 4 year old...if they hadn't had the child I will bet the young man that died might not have stopped for 4 adults milling around at night.
Save a lot of time, don't waste your time preaching to me...YES I want revenge...for the loss of life and innocence.
I want the next SOBs to think gee maybe I could walk instead of taking a car and killing someone, I mean the killed the other perps!
"Obviously they were caught "red-handed" (sorry, couldnt resist), and the one guy admitted it was cold blooded murder as well as car jacking. So yes, poke them with a needle and get them gone."
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You got your facts wrong. The one guy admitted the killing. That's all.
We don't yet have the facts that would lead us to the conclusion that the killing was coldbloodied.
Helen
You guys carry on with your slanted story...without any facts...
I have no further comment... but I might suggest that some other scenarios may be involved here that you are not aware of.
posted on July 24, 2001 04:03:35 PM new
Other scenarios? Gimme a break. The man ADMITTED it. What more do you need? He was bummed out? Depressed? Needed a cigarette and was in withdrawals therefore grumpy? A man offered them a ride and they KILLED him. Plain and simple. The same man who admitted it said the guy begged for his life and you still find we see it slanted? Pahlease. Poke the sucker and his cronies too.
posted on July 24, 2001 04:10:24 PM new I might suggest that some other scenarios may be involved here that you are not aware of.
Oh of course! The story between the lines! How could we overlook that?
Upon rereading it, I suddenly discern that this is not a story about a murder. It's about suicide. When you read between the lines, it becomes clear that the Good Samaritan was suicidal and was out recruiting people who appeared to be down on their luck to kill him because he didn't have the wherewithal to do the deed himself. The three adults arrested are clearly innocent. How dare that fellow with his Lincoln Navigator bully those innocent victims into "popping him" and then forcing them to go joyriding through Crown Heights with his vehicle.
posted on July 24, 2001 04:12:25 PM new
I dunno, Spaz. Maybe I could feel a little more enthusiastic if the news story didn't read like a script from a 1940's Jimmy Cagney movie.
posted on July 24, 2001 04:26:34 PM new
Here's a tamer version of the story, this one from the Associated Press. This story was on the wires yesterday:
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3 Arrested in 'Samaritan' Slaying
By TOM HAYS
.c The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) - A third suspect surrendered Monday in the slaying of a good Samaritan who had offered the suspects a ride after their car broke down.
The victim, who apparently pleaded with his killers for his life, was shot in the head Friday, then robbed of his mother's sport utility vehicle and a small amount of money, police said.
The body of Rudinder Singh, 24, was found in a city park.
``This was an act of complete insanity committed against someone who was trying to help people,'' Chief of Detectives William Allee said.
He said Singh stopped at a gas station in the New York City borough of Brooklyn where he encountered four adults and a 4-year-old girl. They said their car had broken down and were stranded.
Singh agreed to give them a ride and was killed a short time later, Allee said.
Jack Govan, 27, of Atlanta, who turned himself in Monday, was believed to be the one who shot Singh, police said. Govan was charged with second-degree murder, robbery and criminal possession of a weapon.
Two others were arrested Sunday: James Johnson, 26, of Atlanta, on charges of first- and second-degree murder, first-degree robbery and criminal possession of a weapon and Darshen Kingsberry, 26, of New York, on charges of possession of stolen property, unauthorized use of a vehicle, evidence tampering and other counts.
The suspects remained in custody Monday night.
Johnson's attorney, Russell Neufeld, said people should not jump to conclusions about the case; Kingsberry's attorney did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment. It was not immediately known if Govan had obtained a lawyer late Monday.
A second woman with the group was questioned but not arrested.
Singh's father, Sulakahn Singh, said his son had studied computer engineering and was to start a job at a computer-networking business in the fall.
posted on July 24, 2001 04:52:09 PM new
Can you imagine coming up on a grizzly car wreck and the main focus of attention was the color scheme of the car?
"Look at the carnage!"
"Never mind that, look at that horrible shade of green!"
"Oh my! I wouldn't be caught dead in a car that color."
posted on July 24, 2001 05:00:04 PM new
Little does Darshen realize that the one who is gonna be "popped" is herself. Hopefully, someone in the audience while she's being strapped down will holler "pop her!"
posted on July 24, 2001 05:55:31 PM new
Don't let me interrupt the tea party.
This is the second really vicious murder in the tri-state area in the last month. The previous one, which I never got around to posting about, occurred on July 4th in Jersey City when an off-duty cop named Domenick Infantes was visiting some relatives. The next door neighbors were causing a commotion by lighting off firecrackers in the street, so Infantes went outside, identified himself as a police officer, and asked them to stop.
They beat him into a coma with a metal pipe. He died several days later, after his family turned off life support.
Here's the AP story of his funeral, from July 11th:
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Officer Mourned After Pipe Attack
By WAYNE PARRY
.c The Associated Press
JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) - Some 5,000 police officers from as far away as Canada and Ireland poured into Jersey City Wednesday to honor an off-duty patrolman who died after he was beaten with a metal pipe.
Officer Domenick Infantes - a 29-year-old newlywed - died Friday, two days after he was beaten in the head when he asked two brothers to stop setting off fireworks.
The seven-year patrolman posthumously received the Medal of Honor, the highest decoration bestowed upon a police officer. He was given a full inspector's funeral, the highest level of burial for a police officer.
``From the time he was 6 years old he wanted to be a police officer,'' Acting Police Director Peter Behrens said. ``He was a good policeman, a good, kind, gentle, loving person.''
Infantes' brother, Eric, said he plans to become a Jersey City police officer, and had looked forward to working with his brother. ``Now I'm standing here in front of his casket,'' he said.
Mayor Glenn Cunningham said the city is mourning the loss of the officer.
``He epitomized the sacrifice that police officers unfortunately make from time to time. He is a hero to all of us,'' Cunningham said.
Infantes was off duty when he asked two men to stop setting off fireworks, but he identified himself as a police officer. One of the brothers did not believe him because Infantes did not have a gun, police said.
Infantes had been in a coma for two days; his family decided to remove him from life support Friday night.
Benjamin Gavina, 42, and his brother, Alfredo, 40, pleaded innocent to murder charges Monday and are being held in the Bergen County Jail. Benjamin was being held on $5 million bail, while Alfredo was held on $2 million bail.
The funeral Mass was celebrated at St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church, followed by burial in Holy Cross Cemetery in North Arlington.
A motorcade and officers on foot escorted the funeral procession as helicopters from the New York City and Port Authority police departments flew by.
Are the streets just full of socio/psychopaths now? Where are these people coming from? Why don't they care about other people? Or failing that, why don't they even care about the consequence to themselves and their own families?
I don't know if New Jersey has the death penalty, but killing a cop so brutally would seem to be the kind of crime that could result in a death sentence.
posted on July 24, 2001 06:06:24 PM new
Are the streets just full of socio/psychopaths now?
Yes and you can not tell by looking at them.
Remember that the next time you are tempted to stop and roll down your window and help someone that you may pay for it with your life.
posted on July 24, 2001 06:32:16 PM new
Would you like one lump or two with your tea, spaz? Here, have a crumb cake.
Seriously, its really bad when nobody will help anyone anymore due to nutcases not looking like nutcases. Even if they have kids with them, one should use caution over helpfulness nowadays. Know what this means? The crazies KNOW they will get let off or serve a year or two only, and thats why they do it.
posted on July 24, 2001 07:11:39 PM newSeriously, its really bad when nobody will help anyone anymore due to nutcases not looking like nutcases. Even if they have kids with them, one should use caution over helpfulness nowadays.Know what this means? The crazies KNOW they will get let off or serve a year or two only, and thats why they do it.
There is no indication that the subhumans who committed these crimes are "nutcases" or "crazies" and to automatically assume that violence=mentally ill is perpetuating a myth that encourages fear of and negative treatment for those who don't deserve it.
cariad
posted on July 24, 2001 07:17:06 PM new
Good point, cariad. I don't think these killers were mentally ill. I think they simply lack a conscience, or the ability to feel compassion for other people. They are sociopaths.
posted on July 24, 2001 07:28:01 PM new
I thought about that as I was writing my last post, Hepburn.
If they are mentally ill, the court doesn't recognize it. Because they do have the ability to distinguish between right and wrong -- they just don't care.
posted on July 24, 2001 08:08:18 PM new
anti-social personality disorder is listed in DSM-IV.
I think most people find it difficult and frightening to think that "sane" people, who know the difference, and are in control of their behavior are capable of such acts.
cariad
