posted on August 13, 2001 10:36:27 AM
Hi Spaz - Have you thought of emailing the writers of these articles and asking them what ISP was used? I often email and ask questions I have, and they're usually pretty good about replying.
What I find curious is why the victim would call her friend, rather than her parents.
I believe there are more cases of this that we never hear about. I know I've watched programs where they show the police using the internet, pretending to be these young people.
posted on August 13, 2001 11:53:03 AM
I hope this couple is given the maximum penalty the law allows. You're right spazmodeus, this girl sounds like she already had some trust issues, so I can imagine she will never be able to trust anyone in the future. One good thing, I guess, is that she's still alive but probably emotionally scarred for life.
posted on August 13, 2001 03:25:29 PM
Watching the 5:00 news this evening, (I have no quote or link) they said that police are investigating the theory that the girl was trying to run away from home & hooked up with this guy to help her.
Not every kid who leaves home has problems with their parents, some kids actually have their own problems & despite their parents best efforts and love, will run away to seek out their peers for support.
posted on August 14, 2001 03:12:45 PM
Update. This story just gets more horrific.
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CYBER SLAVE
By KIERAN CROWLEY, LARRY CELONA, ED ROBINSON and TRACY CONNOR
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August 14, 2001 -- The Long Island cyberperverts who brutalized a 15-year-old girl during an S&M ordeal "lent" her out as a sex slave to a Queens man - who repeatedly raped her and kept her tied up naked in a closet, authorities said yesterday.
The sickening details of the Massachusetts runaway's weeklong nightmare emerged as cops investigated the possibility that the abuse was part of an Internet sex ring, and eyed a porn-shop chat room where the abduction was discussed.
Cops yesterday arrested a third suspect in the case - a copier repairman who is accused of subjecting the teen to two nights of cruel terror.
Michael Montez, 36, of Astoria, "borrowed" the high-school sophomore from the captors she met through an America Online chat room, couple James Warren, 41, and Beth Loschin, 46, officials said.
"They told her, 'Do anything he wants or we'll get rid of you, we'll kill you,'" Queens prosecutor Lucinda Suarez said.
The girl - forced to wear high heels and black lingerie - was repeatedly raped, sodomized and beaten over the next 45 hours inside Montez's third-floor apartment, prosecutors charged.
When he was done, he stuffed toilet paper in her ears, wrapped Ace bandages around her head and shoved her into a tiny closet, authorities said.
Except for a dog collar, which was placed around her neck and tied with rope to a rack, the victim was naked. When she cried hysterically, her tormentor gagged her, police said.
Queens District Attorney Richard Brown decried the "utter depravity" of the crime.
The saga began a few months ago, when the teen started corresponding by e-mail with Warren, a computer technician, and then decided to run away from her home in Wrentham, Mass.
On Aug. 3, Warren and Loschin, a divorced accountant, picked up their prey at a mall, Nassau Detective Lt. Vincent Robustelli said.
With Loschin at the wheel, Warren handcuffed and molested the girl in the back seat - then took her to a motel in Exeter, R.I., where she was drugged and sexually assaulted by both, police said.
The following day, the kidnappers took the teen to Loschin's filthy, cluttered ranch home in Farmingdale, L.I., where she was repeatedly raped and sodomized, and choked within an inch of her life, authorities said.
"I heard screams in the house," neighbor George Penzes said. "I wondered, 'What the heck's going on over there?' I thought it was kids."
Police said the "dehumanizing acts" may have been photographed - and they were also looking into a report that Warren advertised the girl on a Yahoo! club site for customers of the Deer Park, L.I., adult-video emporium Teasers.
"If I get a few guys and girls interested, I will bring her," a club member with the handle "problemdoc" wrote on Aug. 5, describing a teen who was "good with men."
A posting by another club member the next day warned, "The girl appeared to be heavily drugged and physically abused. Do what you can to get this girl away from the clutches that she's fallen into!"
The girl was also taken to a private home in Hampton Bays, L.I., where Warren had a small room, authorities said.
"She looked tired and Jim told me she was shy," the owner of the house said. "She gave no indication that anything was wrong."
On Aug. 7, Warren and Loschin drove the victim to Montez's apartment in Astoria. She had been beaten so badly, the whites of her eyes were completely bloodshot, prosecutors said.
The night of Wednesday, Aug. 8, after Montez was finished with her, Warren and Loschin picked up the girl and brought her back - blindfolded - to Farmingdale, where the attacks continued, authorities said.
Finally, on Friday the 10th, the victim was left unguarded.
She grabbed a cell phone and made desperate calls to friends, but didn't know where she was. Next, she dialed a quick-thinking Wrentham detective, who told her to find a piece of mail with an address, then contacted Nassau cops.
Warren was held without bail on kidnapping, sodomy, rape and sex-abuse charges.
Loschin was charged with sodomy and sexual abuse and held in lieu of $80,000 bail.
Montez was held without bail on kidnapping, rape and sodomy charges.
At Montez's arraignment, defense lawyer Michael Siff questioned whether the girl was held against her will.
"There's neighbors at arm's length. They have a common wall. They say there was screaming - how come no one reported it?" he asked.
I just saw the evening news, and it looks like the Loschin woman is out on bail. Lovely that she doesn't have to be held against her will, despite her having done the same thing to that girl.
posted on August 14, 2001 09:02:46 PM
I know it's cold but I'd love to be the one to pull the trigger on these sickos. There's so much more of this kind of crap going on then people even realize. Because of our Search/Rescue team we hear a lot of the stories through the grapevine that are never reported in the media. It's just unbelievable.
A couple weeks ago my sixth grade son told me that a friend of his wanted him to get online with him in a chatroom. This was supposedly a set up where the "leader" told the kids all the tricks to certain online games. We had a long talk about it and I got concerned and called his friend's mother. I got the distinct impression that she thought I was just being an overprotective mom... I'm still trying to get her to find out and to tell me the name of the site so that I can check into it myself and see if it needs to be reported. I had thought about asking my son to get the name from his friend on the pretense of wanting to check it out... but, I'm not sure that's such a good idea either. The thing that sounded wierd to me was that these 11ish year old kids are taking "orders" from this guy... as a way of gaining points to gain the right to learn the secrets of winning the game. It may be innocent but it just doesn't pass the smell test.
posted on August 16, 2001 11:04:11 AM
(Don't mind me, I'm just continuing my conversation with myself. Probably this subject would receive more attention if one of the kidnappers had used the n-word or was revealed to be a Republican.)
This article provides some background and detail that the last one didn't.
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Girl, 15, Tells Of Abuse After Meeting At Mall
This story was reported by Robert Kessler, Samuel Bruchey, Lauren Terrazzano, Theresa Vargas, Sumathi Reddy, Robin Topping, Ann L. Kim, Ann Givens and Mitchell Freedman
It was written by Kessler and Terrazzano.
August 16, 2001
The 15-year-old girl who told police she met a Long Island couple on the Internet and was drawn into a week of beatings and rapes that stretched from Massachusetts to Long Island said last night that when they picked her up at a mall outside Boston she didn't think she was in danger.
"I never thought this would happen," the teen said in a brief telephone interview last night. "I'm hurt. I [mistakenly] thought they were nice."
The girl, who Newsday is not identifying because she is the victim of a sex crime, said that she was tired from her ordeal and the subsequent interviews by investigators.
"I'm fine, I'm fine," she said. "It's been OK. I'm tired."
Meanwhile, the people accused of torturing and sexually abusing her will be tried in federal court, authorities said yesterday, after the girl detailed for investigators her nightmarish week.
James Warren, 41, of Hampton Bays, and Beth Loschin, 46, of Farmingdale, are accused of kidnapping the girl from Wrentham, Mass., a suburb south of Boston, and repeatedly sexually assaulting her. Authorities said the couple also loaned the girl to Michael Montez, 35, of Astoria, who was arrested earlier this week and accused of raping and beating her. When asked last night what she thought should happen to the trio, the girl declined to comment.
Law enforcement sources said Warren, Loschin and Montez have a history of sadomasochistic activities and their alleged actions with the teenager make them liable for prosecution under federal statutes involving aggravated sexual abuse, the transportation of minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, and the creation, transmission and receipt of pornographic pictures of minors.
Over the past several days, federal authorities have discussed how to best prosecute the case with Queens District Attorney Richard Brown and Nassau District Attorney Denis Dillon. The cases were linked to spare the girl the ordeal of having to testify at several trials, the sources said.
But officials believe they can try the three suspects in a single federal case because Warren and Loschin allegedly took pornographic pictures of the girl and transferred them to Montez by computer, sources said.
The girl is with her mother at an undisclosed location in Nassau County, where she is being questioned by FBI agents and detectives from the Queens and Nassau district attorneys' offices, the sources said. The sources said the girl met Warren over the Internet and expressed interest in running away from home and engaging in sexual activity. But it is unclear whether she realized how she would be treated, the sources said.
Meanwhile, a picture of Warren is emerging as a man with a desire for child pornography and a history of violence, according to court records and interviews with people who know him.
In 1979, Warren, who once served in the U.S. Army, served three years in Massachusetts on a child endangerment conviction.
He has been arrested at least four times in the past three years in Suffolk County. Charges ranged from third-degree assault to driving without a license.
In 1998, child-abuse investigators found that Warren had neglected an 11-year-old boy in his care when he lived in Brentwood, according to county records.
Rickie Rodell, a former girlfriend who lived with him for six years, said Warren would spend sunrise to sundown in her basement, using a home-built computer to meet young women.
Rodell, 52, of Mastic Beach, a New York City art teacher who said she met Warren in an Internet chat room, talked to reporters outside County Court in Mineola yesterday. "His violent days are over. He will not hurt anybody else again," she said.
Warren, who did not appear at the court conference and was still being held without bail, was represented by the Nassau County Legal Aid Society.
Loschin, an unemployed accountant who has been free on $165,000 bail bond, appeared in court briefly yesterday. She dodged a reporter in front of her Farmingdale home.
The sources familiar with the investigation said Warren, Locshin and Montez came together because of their interest in sadomasochism, centered around a Long Island club that catered to that activity. Warren had wanted to be the dominant partner in a sadomasochistic relationship and he meet Loschin, who favored being submissive, over the Internet. Loschin in turn introduced Warren to Montez.
After Warren and Loschin allegedly kidnapped the girl, she was tortured, including having her nipples burned with a cigarette lighter, the sources said. She also was photographed in pornographic situations and raped and sodomized, they said.
Rodell said her relationship with Warren began in a Prodigy chat room. He offered to fly to Long Island from his home in Virginia to fix her broken computer, and she sent him a plane ticket. He returned a week later and proposed marriage, she said, and the couple began living together in her Brentwood home.
Last July, Rodell wrangled with Warren over his plan to visit a Staten Island girl he met online. She wanted to accompany him, said Stacy Earle, 36, Rodell's daughter. Warren said he was only going to fix her computer and wanted to make the trip alone.
The argument became violent. Warren punched Stacy Earle in the face after she warned him not to touch her mother, according to court records. Amber Earle, Stacy Earle's daughter, then hit Warren in the head with a baseball bat, opening a wound that required more than 10 stitches, according to Stacy Earle and court records.
Warren and Amber Earle were arrested and charged with assault. The following day, Stacy Earle took out a restraining order against Warren. He did the same against Amber Earle.
The group lived together, Stacy Earle said, until March when Warren was arrested on charges of failing to appear in court on his assault charge.
posted on August 16, 2001 12:20:09 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't taken off more. Maybe nothing remains to be said. This has been headline news here for the past few days. Scary, scary, scary.
posted on August 16, 2001 01:52:20 PMPossibly why a study released just a couple months ago -- which said 1 in 5 children on the internet has been solicited by a pedophile -- came and went without much fanfare or outrage.
I read that and was a little incredulous. But then I though about it -- in my aol mail account every porn solicitation constantly comes in -- not naked lady 'porn' - bestiality and worse. I click delete. Maybe a 9 year old clicks the links? On my IM account I've been messaged by people out of the blue. Maybe a 9 year old answers these people? It's true. Kids are open like never before and the fact that you're sitting in your bedroom or living room is illusory. I wasn't the savviest 9 year old either, but then strangers had no real means of communicating with me in my home when I was 9. This girl was described by the cops as being meek and not very street smart.
Also, in addition to the two main people in this story and the third person there seems to have been a whole network of people online who knew about this. One article said that the whooooole sordid thing was being discussed while it was going on in a Yahoo club.
As a side note, is there something in the water in Farmingdale?!? (j/k) My dad was telling me that there was a record store in Farmingdale that he'd go to when he worked nearby and a couple of years ago the owners -- nice mom and pop -- were arrested for videotaping their daughter having sex. I seem to remember other incidents there too.
posted on August 17, 2001 07:51:20 PM
The Viagra Defense? Could be. Meanwhile, freakboy is in prison cracking jokes.
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VIAGRA FUELED CYBERPERV: EX
By KIERAN CROWLEY, PHILIP MESSING, LARRY CELONA and TRACY CONNOR
August 17, 2001 -- Accused cybersicko James Warren popped Viagra like candy and thought it made him a "superstud," according to an ex-girlfriend, who believes the sex drug may have sparked his S&M rampage.
Warren - charged with kidnapping and torturing a 15-year-old girl during a weeklong sex-slave ordeal - began taking the anti-impotence drug in 1997, gal pal Rickie Rodell told The Post.
Around the same time, the 41-year-old computer repairman immersed himself in the world of kinky cybersex - where he met his alleged accomplices.
"Viagra might have fueled this whole thing," said Rodell, who dumped Warren in March because of his violent fantasies and predilection for underage girls.
Warren kept Viagra on hand all the time and took it daily in recent weeks, said Rodell, who kept in touch with him after the breakup. She said she found an empty bottle of the pills in his car on July 28, just a week before the kidnapping.
"I think that in his head, Viagra made him a superstud," she said.
In an exclusive interview yesterday, Warren confirmed he's a Viagra user, saying with a small smile, "Everybody has their down moments."
His sister Joanne - who claims she was molested by Warren as a child - won't be surprised if her brother tries to blame the drug for his problems.
"I bet you he'll go for the Viagra defense because it's new. You know, ‘The drug made me do it,'" she said.
But Warren's obsession with rough sex began years before Viagra came on the market.
His ex-wife, a Connecticut woman who was married to him from 1985 to 1989 and bore him a son, described their union as a living hell.
"If I said no to sex, he would force himself on me," the 33-year-old said yesterday.
"He was into bondage, and he always loved his little handcuffs. He choked me many times. He would tie me up and tape my mouth so I couldn't scream. Then he would hurt me," she said.
The ex-wife, who asked that her name be withheld, said he even secretly taped the lovemaking sessions of a couple staying with them.
She hopes he gets a taste of his own medicine behind bars, "Maybe someone should give him a little torture."
Warren, gal pal Beth Loschin and cyberpal Michael Montez are accused of charges ranging from kidnapping to rape and sodomy and could be exposed to life terms in prison if the case goes federal.
Loschin's lawyer had no comment and Warren's attorney did not return calls.
Sister: Suspect Raped Me
Says man charged in kidnapping of teen assaulted her
By Samuel Bruchey
STAFF WRITER
August 17, 2001
The younger sister of James Warren, one of three people charged with abducting a 15-year-old Massachusetts girl, taking her to Long Island and raping and beating her for a week, said she had been raped by Warren more than 20 years ago.
Joanne Warren, 38, of Naugatuck, Conn., was 12 years old when her brother raped her on two separate occasions, she said.
"He's been terrorizing people his whole life," she said in a telephone interview yesterday.
The first time, the two had just returned home from school, she said. Their parents were working, and the family's four-bedroom house in Waterbury, Conn., was empty. Their parents are now both dead.
Joanne Warren said she settled into the television room upstairs but was soon beckoned across the hall by her brother, who was 15.
"He said, 'Come here, come here, I've got something to show you,'" she said. "I walked into his bedroom and he grabbed me by the arm and threw me on the bed."
Joanne Warren said her brother threatened to kill her and her pet collie if she told anyone about the rape.
Four days later, she said, he raped her again.
"He doesn't believe what he is doing is wrong," she said. "He needs to be put away where he can't hurt anybody else."
Warren's lawyer, Jerika Giwner, could not be reached for comment.
Warren, who lived in Hampton Bays when he was arrested last week, allegedly met the 15-year-old Massachusetts girl two months ago in Internet chat rooms. The two discussed sex online, authorities said. On Aug. 3, Warren and his girlfriend, Beth Loschin, 46, of Farmingdale drove to Wrentham, a Boston suburb, and picked the girl up at a mall where she worked.
The girl was brought to Loschin's Farmingdale home, where she allegedly was held captive, beaten and raped repeatedly. Loschin's attorney, Mike Fishman, did not return calls seeking comment.
For two days during the week, the girl was allegedly "lent" to Michael Montez, 35, of Queens. Montez has also been charged with kidnapping, rape and sodomy.
Meanwhile, FBI computer specialists yesterday were going through the four computers seized from the three suspects. None of the three suspects themselves were cooperating with investigators, the sources said.
The young girl and her mother were preparing to return to Massachusetts yesterday after being questioned by FBI agents, Nassau and Queens detectives and prosecutors, the sources said.
Although Warren had doting parents and an upper-middle class upbringing, Joanne Warren said, his arrest is just the latest in a tangled line of violent sexual offenses.
In 1979, he picked up two girls at a gasoline station in Watertown, Conn., and drove them in a stolen van to a nearby lake, where he raped them. Warren pleaded guilty to sexual assault. His sister said he did not serve any jail time.
In 1981, he pleaded guilty to sexual assault after breaking into a 22-year-old girl's apartment in Watertown and stabbing her in the side with a knife. He was sentenced to 7 years in prison.
As Joanne Warren, now an instructor at a facility for the mentally disabled, reads newspaper accounts of her brother's most recent arrest, she says she feels guilty for not discussing her rape sooner.
After the second rape, she said, she told her mother, who sent Warren to see a private counselor. The family was torn apart, she said, and her mother began sleeping on the living room couch so she could hear anything Warren might be doing in his bedroom. But criminal charges were never filed, and the counseling stopped after two or three sessions.
"Maybe if I had done something back then, this little girl would not have gone through this," she said. "Maybe, she would not have had to suffer."
