HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:20:22 PM new
Today...I postponed my October trip to Rarotonga
I don’t care if President Bush puts 10 armed marshals
on every flight and the airline only charged 5 bucks
for a first class round trip ticket to Europe and offered triple
flyer miles.. Not Me..I’m not getting on a plane right now
4 Scotch on the rox and
1 AW message board = A well vented Sinner
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[ edited by HopelessSinner on Sep 27, 2001 10:24 PM ]
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bunnicula
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:43:56 PM new
If I could get away from work right now, I'd be on a flight in a second! And I *will* be going on my trip to Fiji in December.
Screw them! I'm not letting terrorists dictate my life.
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sasoony
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:53:28 PM new
I wouldn't have any problem flying if they sealed the cockpit door.
The public has this bogy man image of
terrorists where in fact they would be overpowered (assuming the terrorist don't have guns).
Nothing would make me happier than to go one on one with one of these fanatics. It would be fun.
But the main concern is that the pilots have control of the plane.
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uaru
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:54:22 PM new
I'd fly without hesitation.
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zilvy
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:56:37 PM new
So would I, if I had wings! 
Bunni what about the dive computer do you think they'll let you take it as carry on?
[ edited by zilvy on Sep 27, 2001 10:57 PM ]
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:57:11 PM new
bunnicula said..
“Screw them! I'm not letting terrorists dictate my life”
What do you think the Victims would have chosen
...a dictated life ...or no life......
I read that your chances of dying on a hijacked plane
are about the same as winning a state lottery....
Well in my state we have a winner just about every week..
I’m not trying to be smug....just confused these days....
Have fun on your Holiday...
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zilvy
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posted on September 27, 2001 10:59:21 PM new
You have to do what you are comfortable with. Hey, get a sand box, some exotic fruit punch, little umbrellas and have fun at home!
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:02:51 PM new
And get Mrs Sinner to dawn a coconut bra....
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zilvy
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:04:25 PM new
Ouch....
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:11:53 PM new
Hey zilvy ....Here is a cartoon related to your Boeing page
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uaru
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:14:21 PM new
I'll fly on planes.
I'll swim in the ocean.
I'll drive on the interstate.
I'll take a shower.
I'll toss grapes high in the air and catch them in my mouth.
I'll even let them take me to a hospital if I'm really sick.
I'll tell my wife she needs to drop a few pounds.
Is it remotely possible any of those activities could cost me my life? Yup, I guess I'm considered a thrill seeker.
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:19:46 PM new
 uaru
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zilvy
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:23:24 PM new
De Plane Boss, de plane! ^^^^^
uaru, my dad was a devilsh sort, he used to tease my mother (always with a twinkle in his eye, he wasn't mean) til she was ready to crown him...he looked at me one time and said, "You know I always wanted to be a lion tamer but, I married your Mom instead!
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bunnicula
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posted on September 27, 2001 11:43:38 PM new
zilvy: I don't know--will try to find out.
HopelessSinner: look at the people in Afghanistan...a dictated life really *isn't* a life, is it?
The way I see it, just living is dangerous--you never know when your number is going to be up. I could be killed crossing the street, in an earthquake, choke on a piece of food. I could slip in the bathtub & break my neck. But I don't let what might happen stop me from living my life.
Are you familiar with that folktale in which folks are terrified & paralyzed by something that *might* happen? A man asks a woman to marry him & to celebrate her parents propose a toast. The mother goes down into the cellar to get the wine but never comes back. The father goes down to see why & finds his wife sitting on the steps wailing & sobbing. She points to an ax that is stuck on one of the low rafters & cries "one day our grandson might come down here to fetch wine and this ax could fall and kill him!" The husband joins his wife in bewailing the future. When neither her mother or father comes back, the daughter goes down into the cellar to see what's going on and when she hears about the ax & what could happen to her yet to be concieved son she, too, huddles on the steps weeping and wailing. Finally the suitor goes in search of his beloved & her parents. When he hears the sad tale of the ax and his yet to be conceived son, he can't believe that they are paralyzed by something that may never happen--especially when all they have to do is remove the ax from the rafter.
We are in the process of removing the ax, so I'm not going to stop living my life.
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sasoony
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posted on September 28, 2001 12:15:03 AM new
If you're really afraid to fly it kind of defeats the whole idea of going on vacation.
But thanks to the media and all the public figures looking for air time the general public is suffering from paranoia approaching hysteria.
The chance of a biological or chemical attack is nil to none. If Bin Laden and his "TERRORIST CELLS" could deliver an effective bio/chemical attack they would have already done it.
Take out Bin Laden and his main operatives, and this so called network will crumble like a house of cards.
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Shadowcat
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posted on September 28, 2001 12:30:49 AM new
Heck, you can never plan or anticipate what's going to happen on a flight. You just get on and hope for the best. If you play the "what if" game for everything in life, you'll never come out of the fetal position you assumed in the corner of your closet.
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 28, 2001 12:44:20 AM new
Great story bunnicula ...
I did not cancel my trip ..only postponed it
until I feel safe and comfortable.....although
I may be the only on this thread that feels this way...
The airline industry is collapsing as fast as
the twin towers...so I know I’m not the only one..
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 28, 2001 12:50:40 AM new
Shadowcat
What are the odds of being on a hijacked plane..if you don’t fly...?
About the same as winning the lottery ...with out a ticket.
I have just now assumed the fetal position....
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barbkeith
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posted on September 28, 2001 04:15:42 AM new
I bungie jumped one time and that was almost like flying. Ankles were bruised for a couple days but I made it.
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gravid
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posted on September 28, 2001 04:46:14 AM new
I guess people want to see some action instead of the FAA usual method of studying the thing to death for 15 years.
I mean if you had a real adult in charge you could have a shop whip up a batch of aluminum plate doors with a few layers of ballistic cloth sandwitched on the back with a piece of 1/4 inch steel plate rivited on. You mechanically wedge those puppies in place with a few brackets in the inside and at most epoxy a few plates on the deck and side to hold it in place. Take about 3 days. I would gues $5 or 6 thousand per plane. Those come out later when the final design is worked up.
THEN you go study how to build a permenant one into the plane and test them against assorted hand guns and see if a heavy man can dislodge them, and grant the permenant installation air worthiness certificats etc.
My take on the FAA is they are probably now at the stage of studying how to take the bids for the design study.
They delayed a ground radar system to track traffic on the taxi ways for years because the system they came up with did not work. Of course there was a commercial system they could have bought but it was officially crap because it was not designed in house. They will let planes run into each other and kill people before admitting their system is a hopeless cluster you know what. Typical bureaucratic turf protection and face saving over doing your job.
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bearmom
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posted on September 28, 2001 04:55:29 AM new
I understand your fears, and the media is doing nothing to allay those fears in people! But-if the world is going to end one of these days soon, I don't intend to spend my remaining days cowering in the closet. I want to go see the things I haven't seen, visit my kids again, have lots of fun before those horsemen come over the hill for me.
I am a strong believer in fate. If it's your time to die, then you will die in that closet you're hiding in. Wouldn't a sunny beach be more fun?
Edited to add-I feel the same way about spending. I'm going to shop while my money is still considered a negotiable commodity! If the economy does collapse, it's not going to be good for anything but fuel.
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Deliteful
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posted on September 28, 2001 07:07:33 AM new
Yes, Bearmom!
I refuse to be mentally defeated by a bunch of fanaticals and their prey.
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sasoony
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posted on September 28, 2001 09:00:47 AM new
Alright, thats more like it! When I read about a lot of people laying down and wimping out, I start feeling like there are no real Americans left.
Being an American isn't just about singing songs and waving flags. I don't believe in an eye for eye.
Being an American means that if you push me, I'll knock your teeth out. If you take down the WTC towers and kill our people, we'll take your cities down. If you declare a holy war on us, we'll kick your ass and build McDonalds all over your country. You'll be eating Happy Meals for the rest of your lives and collecting those little fuzzy beanie babies.
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ConnieM
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posted on September 28, 2001 09:07:47 AM new
This is the first time in history that we, as Americans, are being told that the best thing we can do to save our country is to go on vacations! It's a great alternative to victory gardens and tearing your bedsheets into strips to be used as bandages.
The travel industry is collapsing. Not only airlines, but hotels, cruise lines, etc. Here in the DFW area alone, we have thousands out of work. This is having ripple effects that will last for a very long time, and affect us all, if it continues this way. Does anybody remember how paralized the nation was, business-wise, when UPS went on strike for a week? Now, imagine if the airlines ALL (sans Southwest, who is being incredible to their employees during this crisis!) go under for good.
We are allowing our fear of the possibility of trouble run us into the certainty of finacial disaster. I really don't think they're gonna hit us the same way agin, at least not in the near future. If I had any extra money at all, I'd be booking a trip (international even...to Canada!) as we speak. If I was planning a trip in the near future, I'd move up my plans, and do it now. And yes, I would take my dear 11 year old son on the plane with me...
This is the home of the brave. Yet, we're allowing these unseens to frighten us into paralysis. Cowering in our closets is exactly what they want from us. They knew they couldn't take down our economy in one felled swoop, but maybe the plan was to freak us out and let us do it to ourselves. Every near empty plane that takes off is another small victory for the enemy. The pilots and air crews are doing their part, just by doing their jobs. Imagine how scared they must be. They fly WAY more than the normal Joe Blow, and their odds of being involved in something are so much higher than ours. Yet, they still go, hoping that we'll follow suit.
So, suck it up. Do your duty. It's easy to tie freaking ribbons to your car and to wear your flag tee shirt. But that won't help in the long run. Our parents and grandparents had to do things that scared the living daylights out of them, but they did it for the good of the nation, of their home. Now, we have to show them that we learned.
Go travel, it's the best thing you can do for the country. Besides, the deals are phenomenal right now!
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sasoony
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posted on September 28, 2001 09:32:39 AM new
Well said Connie. I'm not against a well thought out, calculated response. But while the administration is calculating and forming coalitions, our economy is in a free fall.
On the same day Bush is telling everyone about the new safety measures he gives the military authority to shoot down commercial airliners. Come again????? The administration and the media are fueling the paranoia.
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Triggerfish
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posted on September 28, 2001 09:57:19 AM new
bunnicula - You'll love Fiji!!! So beautiful and the people there REALLY are as wonderful and nice as everybody says!!
WAH! I wanna go...
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bunnicula
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posted on September 28, 2001 10:00:34 AM new
Triggefish: You're right--I was there last year & loved it. That time we stayed at a place on the main island. This year we are going to be on an island to the north. Am told we'll be diving with Mantas, dugongs, etc.
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eternallythankful
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posted on September 28, 2001 10:06:02 AM new
Sasoony,
"If you declare a holy war on us, we'll kick your ass and build McDonalds all over your country. You'll be eating Happy Meals for the rest of your lives and collecting those little fuzzy beanie babies."
I love it!
[ edited by eternallythankful on Sep 28, 2001 10:06 AM ]
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Triggerfish
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posted on September 28, 2001 05:03:30 PM new
bunnicula - The diving was pretty good although we didn't see as many big fish as we have at other destinations in the Western South Pacific but it was very nice. Mantas are so beautiful, regal!
We did a live-aboard so only had a relatively small amount of time spent on land but it DID afford us the opportunity to see a number of places and go onto a few islands. Got invited by a Chief of one island to a special Kava ceremony. That was pretty cool!
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on September 28, 2001 06:04:16 PM new
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