jamesoblivion
|
posted on October 8, 2001 11:37:16 AM new
We always talk about how the media can pretty much say what they want.
This photo is captioned:
This home in Kabul was hit in the U.S. and British strikes Sunday. One Taliban official claimed 20 civilians were killed in Kabul, but another said no more than eight died. The United States said all targets were military.
Now, I know it's made out of mud and not wood or brick. But shouldn't there be some blackening? I mean, this doesn't look to me like it was hit by a bomb yesterday. How could we know if it was or wasn't?
Opinions?
|
rawbunzel
|
posted on October 8, 2001 11:41:02 AM new
Conspiracy theory! I like it! 
I wondered the same thing. The country was bombed out long before this so it certainly could be a picture of something done way before now.
|
uaru
|
posted on October 8, 2001 11:58:26 AM new
Could the US have hit that Afghani dream home? Yes, it is possible.
Could the rubble be from 1, 2, 3, or 20 years ago? Yes, it is possible.
Would the US deliberately target a building full of innocent civilians that might have been worth $19.95
|
Hepburn
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:00:36 PM new
No, I don't believe it. The taliban are liars and hypocrits, so why should I believe anything that comes from there?
|
Hepburn
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:02:40 PM new
On the television news, it showed people pushing rubble aside at places targeted. Such a small pile of rubble, too. Nothing compared to the rubble of the pentagon and wtc.
|
spazmodeus
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:11:03 PM new
I think I'm losing my perspective: the first thing I looked for in that photo was the tourist guy.
|
uaru
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:11:15 PM new
Here's 2 more theories.
1) It wasn't caused by a bomb, but it was caused when the Taliban shot down one of our planes (as they claim) and the wreckage fell on the home.
2) It happened after Sept. 11th due to a celebration of the WTC attack. The residents were dancing on the roof and it caved in.
|
Femme
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:20:10 PM new
It wouldn't be hard for the Taliban to find a destructed building to show to the world.
There are a lot of buildings like that in Afghanistan, as evidenced by film shown long before we entered into the picture.
They obviously think the rest of the world is as deprived of information as the people they control.
I don't believe anything the Taliban says.
Of course they are going to claim that women, children and the elderly were killed as a result of our bombing. The only thing they forgot to add to play on people's sympathy is the cats and dogs.
|
donny
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:21:10 PM new
Spazmodeus, maybe that's the Middle Eastern counterpart of "The Tourist Guy" in the picture, doesn't he look a bit oddly posed?
There's no contradiction between the Taliban saying that some civilians were killed, and the U.S. saying that all targets were military. This is what the phrase "collateral damage" was invented for, wasn't it?
Is it a photo of damage from the past day, or something the news service thought was fitting and pulled from the archives? Who knows. I guess it could be from the past day... would a bomb have to hit a place directly to cause it to fall? Wouldn't the surrounding concussion be enough, in some cases?
|
Femme
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:24:52 PM new
LOL, Spaz
Hi Rawbunzel. Nice to see you.
|
Linda_K
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:29:19 PM new
it was caused when the Taliban shot down one of our planes (as they claim)
Funny though that those news reports were denied this morning. It was reported that neither we nor the UK had any missing planes or pilots. Now who do I believe? I wouldn't trust a thing those terrorists say.
|
krs
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:29:41 PM new
There'd have to be a broader view, James. Just one of our 250 lb. bombs could decimate places like that over an area of an acre--like maybe one of your full city blocks, or more. 250 lb. bombs are small ones. The concussion alone would knock down huts like that for even farther. The concussion also kills. It sort of explodes people from within like squeezing a water balloon suddenly might. Anyone within a half mile of one drop is probably at least hemmorraging out of their ears, eyes, mouths, and noses all at once. If the B52s dropped on any city area they usually let go sticks of 20 250s four sticks at a time and they seldom do it alone. A flight of them can level an area approximately 2 miles wide by 5-10 miles long and the cocussion from that shakes the ground over 20 miles away. In Vietnam when they had a mission scheduled there was a notice broadcast over all channels and all aircraft had to be sure to be at least 10 kilometers (about 5 miles) away or be at risk of being downed by the blast force.
|
uaru
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:32:32 PM new
Now is it believable?
|
spazmodeus
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:37:44 PM new
donny,
I think you're right. It was the man's odd stance that triggered the tourist guy thought.
Come to think of it, the man in the photo looks like he's flipping off the guy whose car stereo just thumped down the walls of his house.
uaru,
|
Hepburn
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:43:40 PM new
Another conspiracy theory is that building in the pic was definetly bombed, but not by us. More than likely, it was from the Taliban itself, sending its nazi-like torturers and bullyboys in to beat up the woman who dared to be reading a book or bought a tomatoe from a male vendor and after killing her and her family for such an awful thing, destroyed their house.
|
gravid
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:45:51 PM new
Could easy be but everybody knew on both sides that that would happen so what is the big point?
|
Hepburn
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:48:03 PM new
At least they got fair warning. More than the people who went to work in an office building did on Sept 11th.
|
Hjw
|
posted on October 8, 2001 12:56:49 PM new
Actually, the bombs probably just bounced off the ground like a rubber ball and did no damage.
Helen
|
krs
|
posted on October 8, 2001 01:06:26 PM new
Yeah, they are using smart bombs now that know when there's little babies and women and children nearby so they fly off to a military target only. Humanitarian bombs.
|
Zilvy
|
posted on October 8, 2001 01:13:25 PM new
Actually that picture with the hovel and pointing man is all Gravid's fault. The man is saying, I looked up and there was this carton of SPAM, Allah be praised, then this damned talking machine hit the roof and kabooom!! I wouldn't mind if it was the spam but who needs a radio yammering all the time?
A case of TOO much SPAM! Oh darned, see what Infidel Humanitarians can dooo.
|
Zilvy
|
posted on October 8, 2001 01:13:26 PM new
Sorry, you didn't need to see it twice.
[ edited by Zilvy on Oct 8, 2001 01:14 PM ]
|
uaru
|
posted on October 8, 2001 01:22:27 PM new
Weren't many of these bombs guided by lazer or gps systems and targeted specifically for radar installations, missile defense installations, aircraft hangars, and such.
Since some 'dumb people' may have remained in those areas does that make those bombs qualify as 'dumb bombs'?
Forgive me if I'm a bit slow on tears. I used up my year's supply in September.
|
shoshanah
|
posted on October 8, 2001 01:24:15 PM new
Well, I believe the damage was caused by the wind...There is a lot of wind in the Afgahni Mountains...
And it looks like the person standing atop the rubbles is making a not-too-polite gesture in the western direction.
Gosh Shosh
Moi
|
fiset
|
posted on October 8, 2001 02:11:35 PM new
So the Taliban are saying women, children and elderly were killed in the bombings? You mean we missed the hospitals and animal shelters?
Everytime I hear a statement from the Taliban I feel like I need a shower to wash all the crap off.
|
Hepburn
|
posted on October 8, 2001 02:30:50 PM new
I wonder why bin laden has not been asked from the afghanistans why he hasnt used his wealth to make their living easier? For someone who has as much money and power as he does, why does he let his own people starve and die? I guess his Allah isnt paying much attention to that aspect. He complains and praises God that we are living in fear. Uh huh. Fear is what the women and children are living with under the taliban 24/7.
|
Muriel
|
posted on October 8, 2001 02:49:05 PM new
Spaz and Uaru:
|
krs
|
posted on October 8, 2001 02:56:14 PM new
They can guide the million dollar missiles (with a substantially lower success rate than was reported in the press during the Gulf war) but precision bombing means they hit an area. The close support jets can pick out something like a factory or even a 7-11 but the B52s hit coordinates usually from about five miles up. They drop them just like they did in the good old days. There just isn't any feel good that you can derive from it. They're doing a turkey shoot on people who've hardly developed beyond the stone age.
|
Linda_K
|
posted on October 8, 2001 03:22:35 PM new
Yes, these poor people who've hardly developed beyond the stone age.
Sure seems to me that they did a very good job of reigning havoc on our nation......these poor stone age people. Those who still insist on protecting and backing bin Laden.
You know damn well that the US and the UK aren't intentionally aiming these attacks at the general population, but rather at any area the terrorists use to facilitate their operations. And you....a professed Vietnam vet should be well aware of the fact that there are always innocent victims in any war.
I am constantly amazed at your statements which seem to constantly be against the steps our government takes.
Your constant bleeding heart statements sicken me.
|
krs
|
posted on October 8, 2001 03:54:11 PM new
Not one person on the ground under those bombs perpetrated the attack on the WTC. Not one. Bin Laden may be behind it, but that isn't proven, and you can bet that he's nowhere near where the bombs are being dropped. Oh, you say that the Taliban protected and allowed them to generate their acts? I wonder whether they had much choice as their entire political structure wouldn't last one night under the deathly disaproval of any terrorist organization. It's a sure thing that not one of those people who have been made subject to the ordinations of those in charge ever did anything to further bin laden's aims again IF he is behind the whole thing.
This stupid war will not solve anything, but it may create lasting problems that didn't exist before.
|
uaru
|
posted on October 8, 2001 04:15:46 PM new
krs Oh, you say that the Taliban protected and allowed them to generate their acts?
Yup, dat's what we are saying.
Bin Laden has been on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted for some time now. I realize the Taliban are stupid and ignorant, but even they knew about Bin Laden being a suspect for attacks against the US. They are trying to sell the old "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" that's fine, let them sell that to you. I'll pass on purchasing that load of lies. Fortunately it isn't selling to the leaders of the civilized world either.
|
