posted on November 15, 2001 03:51:56 PM new
What a good candidate for Full Canvas Jacket or at the least, Quintessence of the Loon. You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on November 15, 2001 04:07:09 PM new
KatyD, if he's using tinfoil instead of aluminum foil, he's in the lunatic fringe of the beanie brigade.
That reminds me, I owe stockticker one of those. Need to get the Brillo pads. (Chase away flies and mind control rays at the same time) You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on November 15, 2001 04:54:32 PM new
I stand corrected, Snowy. Thank you for pointing out the difference! In general, when people say "tin foil" they really mean aluminum foil. But what about tin (Sn)? Does it have the same anti-psychotronic properties as aluminum? Most experts agree that tin does have an effect but opinions are divided as to whether or not it is as good as aluminum. A small, but vocal, contingent even argues that tin is superior, but they are held by most to be the lunatic fringe of Foil Deflector Beanie science. I would advise people wishing to build a Deflector Beanie to stick with aluminum whenever possible since it is a proven technology.
Thanks for that link, Pat! Now I know what to give my friends and family for Christmas! And I've added it to my bookmarks. I'm sure there is bound to be some posters here that will find those instructions quite helpful.
posted on November 15, 2001 05:23:47 PM new
Of course the CIA did it. I stopped reading the web site when I realized it might spoil the movie. I think Oliver Stone would be a great candidate to direct it. Robert Duvall would be great as the sinister head of the CIA, I see Keanu Reeves as the reporter that uncovers the real story, maybe with a love interest that is an agent for the CIA, Reese Witherspoon would be a good choice.
Credits roll with the opening music
Bob Cinero (Keanu Reeves) is typing on a message board arguing with an obnoxious poster that rattles off conspiracy after conspiracy... (fade to black)
3 months pass and Bob Cinero returns from a vacation and logs on to his favorite message board only to learn that the obnoxious conspiracy expert has failed to make a post for 2 months... a strange but welcome disappearance... (fade to black)
posted on November 15, 2001 11:51:01 PM new
It's entirely plausible, and probably closer to the truth than anything fed out like pablum for children by the administration.
posted on November 16, 2001 02:25:43 AM new
What makes you think that you know whether his reality is less valid than yours? You are a product of newsbroadcasts without a single independent thought. If you had ever ventured forth from your sheltered little world and seen for yourself the cold and ruthless corruption that some powerseekers are capable of you might have a basis to assess whether or not there's anything to his premises.
Have you ever been at trial for any crime? No, probably not. If you had been you would know first hand exactly how corrupt and preset such things can be. Have you ever been in the military? No, apparently not, for if you had been it would have been difficult for you to miss at least that there were things going on that you would be better off to make no mention of. These examples are only microcosms that indicate the levels to which such manipulations occur. They go on. Something is going on now.
You say that you are versed in the Kennedy assasination. Can you still believe that the shot which killed him came from behind him? The Zapruder tape clearly shows the impact of that shot and the result. You will not be able to produce from anywhere a person who is familiar with the effect of an impact of a bullet from a high powered rifle who could say that that shot dcame from anywhere but from Kennedy's right front. Something went on and the American people were bamboozled. There were eight bullets found in that little room in which RFK was killed but Sirhan's pistol only held seven. Something went on.
If you had been only dimly aware and in Vietnam you would know a great deal about things that are not as reported to be. The place was a manipulator's candyland.
I have been interested in this from the start, of course. I became that way because it is ludicrous to me that flight manuals IN ARABIC were left to be found in such short order in the Boston airport parking lot. That just doesn't ring true--it's too damned convenient. Ever since that there have been descrepant reports, withdrawals and changes to reports, a concerted catchup effort to paint the background scenery as the script is written. It's all odd.
The plane that hit the corner of one of the towers would have spewed it's fuel away from, not into the building. That's plain to see and you can verify such things yoursself by making mockups and trying it out. The plane that hit the pentagon was flown at treetop level? I know that that's hard to do in a Cessna 140 because there are continual up and downdrafts that screw up altitude. I can imagine the expertise it would take to do that in an airliner when the pilot is thirty feet above his planes belly and can't see it. A remote control could do it much more effectively. There are good questions about every aspect of that attack and not many good answers.
There is something very skewed about all of this. Whether we find out is anyone's guess. It would take a set of people such as those who exposed watergate, but these stakes are a lot higher. I do not see how a person can simply accept as a truth something told them only because they have no evidence to refute it. "Teacher said it's so and so I know it's so"--is that you uaru? Still believe in Santa Claus?
Dwight Eisenhower was an honest and patriotic man. Can we agree on that? Go back and find his warnings to the country about what he called "The military-industrial complex". Fifty years ago.
posted on November 16, 2001 08:32:03 AM newCaptain Queeg: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...
I don't know why I just thought of Humprey Bogarts great performance as a captain afflicted with paranoid delusions, but it was sure a great performance. Lucky for Bogart it was only a performance.
posted on November 16, 2001 09:53:02 AM new
With all due respect krs, the writer's hypothesis on what could have happened at the WTC sounds plausible but improbable. There would have to be so many people involved that surely "the plan" would slip out at some point.
What would there be to gain if this was a conspiracy of sorts? If it's oil, the U.S. has become buddies with Russia which has numerous untapped oil resources, so I can't see this being a factor. Is it world domination? The U.S. is the last superpower. From an ignorant person (me) on the subject, what is the goal that I'm not seeing krs?
posted on November 16, 2001 10:06:09 AM newKRS,
I hate to admit this,,,but you are making more and more sense
I went and read the 2 'articles' and it jogged my memory again. When the towers fell I thought it looked just like a movie. In the flurry of activity afterwards the picture of them falling strait down was forgotten.(I don't have a long memory..haha
WHY did bld. 7 go down? I don't remember even hearing anything about that. But looking at the photos it most certainly DID!
And to find out that the Twin towers were still standing when that happened just boggles my mind. How could that happen? WHY did that happen?
The TOP of 1 of the WTC clearing fell just like it should have...at an angle. That was the part that was always shown on TV with the big 'grid' beam....the REST of both buildings crumbled...
Anyways...I'm rambling..but I found these artlicles QUITE distrubing.
I simply do not even THINK this way..to suspect people could be so evil and all for power and greed. I tend to believe EVERYTHING people tell me...sigh.
This is SCAREY because all this 'freedom' we have is being given up so willingly to the government...and people are more than willing to give the info without thinking about it.
I think the last days are here (yes I'm Christian)...it is so sad we've made such a mess of what God gave us.
posted on November 16, 2001 10:32:03 AM new
I took the time to read the article. It may be way out there, but there certainly are parts of it that should make you think about some of the possibilities.
Our government is just as corrupt as any other, maybe more so. You can't be a world power without doing some pretty slimely things. Not only in other countries, but right here in the US. All politicians are power hungry or they wouldn't be politicians! Some will do anything to be in control.
Something is very wrong with what happened and continues to happen. Our freedoms are being taken away everyday with our present administration. You have to question is it for our protection or is it to keep us in control?
posted on November 16, 2001 10:45:44 AM new
kraft, it's clear that you didn't read the guy's articles. Your answers are there as to why.
Pania, I don't like to think that such motives could drive anyone steeped in American ideals either, but I've seen far too much to think that it isn't more than possible. There are some highly motivated and very powerful people who believe that the path that this country has followed is not the path it should follow. There have been numerous organized attempts to correct that and even a cursory read of the goals of the John Birch Society and other so called 'right wing' groups will demonstrate the general political philosophy of a good segment of our most influential population. Why it's so difficult to conceive of a concerted effort to effect such change is hard to understand. Their frustration levels have mounted since the 1920s. I think that now they're going for the gold ring, probably seeing it as a last great campaign to wrest all power away from people and return it to those who they think should rightfully have inherited it from the great industrial, oil, rail, and shipping magnates of another time. Is the murder of the WTC people beyond such as those? Hardly. They've been instrumental in far more deaths than that and for much smaller potential rewards. Now they want the world and the tools are at their feet in a rich and cooperative administration, the military might, and now the lessening of the only populace capable of resisting their moves with a vote. It's called "The Great Game" by some of them, but it's for keeps. They depend on the blind and trusting idiocy of people like uaru to succeed.
posted on November 16, 2001 10:50:55 AM new
The other night on the history channel there was a show about the WTC that was made in january 2001. After seeing the inside of this building I kept thinking how the hell did such a building crumble? Watching it on tv fall it does seem so unreal. At first I thought maybe there were bombs in the building as well, but there wasnt. Then the day all that gold and silver was found they kicked most of the firefighters out claiming safety reasons. I found that weird as well.
posted on November 16, 2001 11:16:38 AM newkrsThey depend on the blind and trusting idiocy of people like uaru to succeed.
Actually I'm part of the government coverup krs, I've been employeed to discredit you so your fact finding posts aren't given more attention than possible.
Be nice to me krs, if I fail in my mission to discredit you then that van you've seen pass by your bunker will stop some day and t
posted on November 16, 2001 12:18:43 PM newkraftdinnerIs there any way the buildings could have been structurally made to implode upon a catastrophic incident?
When the news was hot and heavy over the collapse some architects were interviewed about the implosion of the WTC. They said it was designed to implode on a catastrophic failure for obvious reason. You don't want to be hollering "TIMBER!!!" when a 110 story building started to fall over.
Please bear in mind those interviews were on one of the CIA controlled networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN) Those too smart to be lead astray by government mis-information (like krs) would never be duped by such reports.
posted on November 16, 2001 02:15:04 PM new
I've re-read the article and this is what I read:
He implies the twin towers were "expertly demolished".
He implies that the planes that attacked on 9/11 were possible guided by remote control.
He doesn't think the WTC attacks came from Arab terrorists but came from our own government..."So a plot is hatched, not by Arabs but by Americans (agents of the civilian "state security and intelligence" agencies and bureaus, with a few military intelligence types), perhaps with Israeli involvement, to hijack four planes and fly them into various strategic and symbolic buildings — the Twin Towers, the Pentagon and the Capitol — with the blame to be placed upon "Arab terrorists".
He claims the purpose of the attacks was to make it look like the acts of "Arab hijackers", but in reality it was "part of an ongoing plan (in effect since the Kennedy assassination if not before) to destroy the American Republic (what's left of it anyway) and replace it by a de facto dictatorship (as part of the drive toward a global dictatorship in the form of a world government)."
Then he goes on about Hiroshima and the Nazi's and how America is responsible for everything. It just sounds like American hate literature to me.
uaru - I was thinking about all the legal cases etc., if those building had of come down any differently.
posted on November 16, 2001 04:48:18 PM newBlairwitch,
I guess I missed out on the gold and silver thing. Can you tell me about it, or where I can read about it?
Sooo...KRS do you think John Kennedy JRs plane crash was another attempt at control? I mean, I'm a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and even I liked what John JR stood for and would have seriously considered voting for him for Pres. later in his life....hmmm.
Pania
Sometimes, the only way to perceive the true nature of events is to study the results they produce. I'm not a structural engineer, nor an architect, and I don't know a blasted thing about explosives, so I don't have an educated opinion about the WTC collapse. I have followed the results produced thus far in the wake of September 11th, though, and while I have yet to see any proof that the U.S. government (or "Secret Government" ) had anything to do with causing any of it (except intelligence failures to prevent those events) I also haven't seen any proof that Al-Qeada was responsible for them, either.
It's probably just a "coincidence" that the sole organization we fingered (Al-Qeada) just happened to reside in a country through which we are determined to run an oil pipeline. Once Americans had worked themselves into a patriotic frenzy over the September 11th attacks, and DEMANDED that we "do something" to retaliate, a green light was given to topple the uncooperative Taliban (- it said "No" to our pipeline wish). Only time will tell if the new government eventually seated in Afghanistan will be more amenable to our desires. Results...
When a second-wave of terrorism began in the U.S. (in the form of anthrax-laced mail), the government told us it just had to have unprecedented new powers of search-and-siezure, detainment, wire-tapping and eaves-dropping of every sort in order to root out the "evildoers" within our borders. To date, the FBI has rounded up more than 1,000 people as suspected terrorists linked to the September 11th attacks. Only one has been charged -- and that was for an immigration violation. But I sure feel safer knowing that the FBI is doing its job (like never before) -- Attorney General Ashcroft can get on TV any time and give a vague warning of new terrorism. When nothing happens in the week specified, we can rest assured that's because the FBI foiled the threat ahead of time, OR that the threat was never credible to begin with. (He's played it both ways on several occasions.) And since we've been told this "War on Terrorism" has no forseeable end, we won't see any relinquishing of these broad new powers anytime soon, even when the "war" in Afghanistan stops. Results...
edited to get rid of a smilie I didn't put there in the first place
posted on November 16, 2001 06:39:27 PM new
plsmith
That is an excellent analysis of the real motivation of George and Cheney and Ashcroft!
I don't pay any attention to Ashcroft's terrorist warnings. But when George leaves Washington to read a fairy tale to the Florida kindergarten class or visit the ranch, I do consider that a terrorist warning in our D.C. area.
