posted on December 20, 2002 05:23:05 AM new
For those not on the East Coast or not watching Fox's morning program, guest Bill Crystal said "bit$hing" and then a caller said Trent Lott was a "Fu$king Bigot". Some red faces on the air this morning. LOL.
I'm calling the FCC on these fu$king FOX bit$hes.
[ edited by Reamond on Dec 20, 2002 06:09 AM ]
posted on December 20, 2002 06:14:40 AM new
Fox's morning program is entertaining. It is funny to watch these 3 try slide in their conservative bent on many issues. Plus the sports guy says some pretty stupid comments sometimes. Everytime he opens his mouth about politics or economics I imagine the producers cringe - the weatherman is also challenged, and the woman sometimes takes the wrong position and then mysteriously changes.
They struggle every morning to rationalize why Iraq must be attacked, how smart Bush is, how bad Clinton was/is, etc..
posted on December 20, 2002 06:58:27 AM new
I've watched the morning show a couple of times, but have never really cared for it. A waste of air time, imo. But Reamond I'm glad you're getting a little enjoyment [some laughs] out of it.
On the subject of conservative christian women being married three times...I wasn't aware there was a rule against that. I've know many CCW who were married more than once. My mother was married four times and she considered herself a Christian.
posted on December 20, 2002 08:58:28 AM new
That's why I can't stand to watch FoxNews. Not because of thier political bent. Really. I dislike them because everything is pretty much scripted ahead of time, with both interviewers and interviewees reciting lines from rehearsal. That's not news or opinion - that's pure propaganda when they do that. I have better uses for my time than to listen to a fake news program or fake interview.
posted on December 20, 2002 09:26:01 AM new
My favorite Fox programs are:
The O'Reily Factor
Special Report with Brit Hume
[with the panel]
On The Record with Greta VanSusteren
Also, at times enjoy Hannity and Combs. Sometimes it's a little too much.
posted on December 20, 2002 10:05:56 AM new
If you don't like it why don't you change the channel or turn the F****NG thing off?
Nobody's holding a gun to your head to watch it.
The language used is not as ugly as what his sort DO.
posted on December 20, 2002 10:51:07 AM new
No - Reamond for running to the FCC because he doesn't like the phone in comments.
Perhaps he should investigate the caller and charge him. I'm sure there's some archaic law somewhere on the books. Second degree telling the truth or something.
The sadder side was all the years nobody got upset at the flaming bigots.
Lott will "~continue to serve the people of Missippi in the Senate." He should have said the white people.
[ edited by gravid on Dec 20, 2002 10:57 AM ]
posted on December 20, 2002 11:07:53 AM newLott will "~continue to serve the people of Missippi in the Senate." He should have said the white people.
Right, gravid!
The church scene that is repeatedly played on TV showing the all white church and Trent Lott is especially repulsive to me as it is pointed out that a black family was brought right inside that church!!!
Well,Glory Hallelujah! What a revelation of the state of southern racism today.
posted on December 20, 2002 11:32:42 AM new
I understand the anger issue when one is of the opinion that another person is a bigot.
What I don't understand is when Lott has been elected by the voters in his own state [again and again] others can't just accept that. Are you of the opinion that blacks aren't allowed to vote in the state of Mississippi? By the majority of the voters electing him they're making their choice. Hopefully most of those who voted are aware of his past history. Just like the voters of GA did with their state flag issue.
posted on December 20, 2002 12:06:05 PM new
If every black person in the state of Mississippi saw Lott the same way some here do, and they showed up and voted last November, his re-election most likely wouldn't have taken place.
Either, as with the rest of our country, they were too lazy to go vote, or they didn't see him the same way out-of-state people do. Saying it another way...many blacks voted for Lott.
posted on December 20, 2002 01:49:12 PM new
Hi Bob - Okay... No matter what word I use, someone always feels it wasn't the right word. So you don't like 'many'. Two is a couple, three to four is a few; 5-6 is some; 7-8 several; 9-10 is many. [Saying tongue in cheek - that's what I was taught. ]
Point was that of the voters who voted, he was elected..again..and again..and again. I've just always been one who thinks that voters from say CA or NY shouldn't be telling the voters of any state how things should be. Sure..they're free to voice their opinion, but to me the decision rests with the voters in each state.
It's always bothered me that the liberal states think everyone in the midwest, south, etc. should think the way they do.
Lott was not representing the majority of the voters in the U.S. and we now see the results of that. But since he's been relected time and time again, that leads me to believe there is a reason for it. And I have seen *many* black voters on TV this past week, from the state of MI, stating the reasons they didn't feel Lott should step down. Stating how they see/judge he's done good things for their state. Their right. And, imo, because someone else thinks differently that shouldn't change their right to voice that opinion.
You don't seem to understand that in Mississippi, the white vote still rules. Mississippi voters reelect Lott because he is a Republican and because he votes aganist those issues that would advance blacks.
Blacks are not as well organized as they should be and they are less educated generally. For a long time, their schools were segregated and inferior. They still haven't recovered from that.
Besides that, Mississippi has disenfranchised 145,600 people. More than half of the disenfranchised (81,700) are black men, representing 28.6 percent of the black men in the state.
BTW...The population percentage that I gave you (38) is the total population...not the number eligible to vote.
Do you believe that if they were aware of Lott's voting record that even ll% as Bob stated would have voted for him?
VOTING RECORDS
The NAACP has tracked 92 votes by Congress over the last decade, and those votes show Republican leader Trent Lott has sided with the organization only 14 percent of the time. That's the fifth lowest percentage among U.S. senators. A look at the five lowest-ranked senators:
posted on December 20, 2002 03:37:14 PM new
I'll try and say this a different way.
Some polls show that 80% of Americans are against paying reparations. One cannot jump to the conclusion that proves 80% are racist. It means they disagree with the issue [for different reasons]. Just like we were discussing in the SS thread today.
It's not always about race. Although some try and make it appear so.
I understand what you are saying. But when Lott votes aganist 86% of issues important to blacks and you look at his history it's clearly a racist issue.
Jesse Helms is even worse but he was not reelected. Next election, Lott will join him. LOL!
1968 -- Begins his political career as administrative assistant to US Rep. William M. Colmer, a one-time Dixiecrat and staunch segregationist.
1972 -- Elected to the US House of Representatives, taking over Colmer's seat--with his mentor's blessing--as a Republican.
1978 -- Introduces bill restoring Jefferson Davis' U.S. citizenship.
1980 -- At a rally for Ronald Reagan in Jackson, Miss., Lott praises Thurmond much as he will 22 years later.
"You know if we had elected this man 30 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are today."
1981 -- Intervenes at the US Supreme Court to defend the tax-exempt status of Bob Jones University in South Carolina, under review because the school openly discriminates against any student "engaged in an interracial marriage or known to advocate interracial marriage or dating."
"Racial discrimination does not always violate public policy."
1983 -- Votes against making the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday.
"Look at the cost involved in the Martin Luther King holiday and the fact that we have not done it for a lot of other people that were more deserving."
1984 -- In an interview with Southern Partisan magazine, Lott explains why he opposed expanding the Voting Rights Act.
"They are still trying to exact Reconstruction legislation that is just not fair."
1984 -- In a speech to the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Biloxi, Mississippi, Lott sells the Party of Lincoln.
"The spirit of Southern Civil War leader Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican platform."
1988 -- Elected to the US Senate.
1992 -- Delivers a keynote address to the Council of Conservative Citizens, the successor to the segregationist White Citizens' Councils of the 1960s.
"The people in this room stand for the right principles and the right philosophy. Let's take it in the right direction, and our children will be the beneficiaries."
1996 -- Votes no on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which would have prohibited job discrimination based on sexual orientation. He argues:
"Its goal is not fairness for individuals. Its goal is social revolution.... ENDA is part of a larger and more audacious effort to make the public accept behavior that most Americans consider dangerous, unhealthy, or just plain wrong."
1997 -- Chosen by Senate Republicans to be Majority Leader.
1997 -- In an interview with Time, Lott acknowledges that he supported segregation while a student at the University of Mississippi.
"Yes, you could say that I favored segregation then. I don't now... The main thing was, I felt the federal government had no business sending in troops to tell the state what to do."
1997 -- When asked why his name was included among informants and other "state actors" in the sealed files of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission -- a state segregationist spy agency -- Lott replies awkwardly:
"I don't have the foggiest idea. I've never heard such a thing and never was involved in any way and don't have any idea. I suspect that even if it is true, I mean that could involve, you know, preachers, newspaper reporters, whatever. I really don't know anything about it."
It is later revealed that Lott had written a letter to Sovereignty Commission director W. Webb Burke in 1969 on behalf of Colmers. Lott expressed his gratitude for a "resolution passed by your commission commending the Mississippi congressional delegation for their interest in requesting a full-scale investigation in the mysterious death" of a white marine in Vietnam. The marine had allegedly been shot by minority soldiers for wearing a Mississippi flag on his fatigues.
1998 -- CCC spokesman Mark Cerr tells the Washington Times:
"Trent Lott is one of our members. He's been a member for a long time."
1998 -- Asked whether homosexuality is a sin, Lott replies:
"Yes, it is." He goes on to compare gays to alcoholics and kleptomaniacs, but says, "You should not try to mistreat them or treat them as outcasts."
1999 -- Lott refuses to allow a Senate hearing on the nomination of James Hormel, a gay man, to be Ambassador to Luxembourg.
1999 -- When Lott's longstanding ties to the CCC become a minor scandal, Lott spokesman John Czwartacki tells reporters:
"This group harbors views which Senator Lott firmly rejects. He has absolutely no involvement with them either now or in the future"
2000 -- Lott Votes no on expanding hate crimes to include those based on sexual orientation. Czwartacki explains:
"Our point is that every crime is a hate crime."
2001 -- Lott is the only senator to vote against the confirmation of Judge Roger Gregory, who became the first ever black judge in the US Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Nov 8, 2002 -- In an interview about immigration on FoxNews, Bill O'Reilly asks Lott:
O'REILLY: Why not back up the Border Patrol with the military, whether it's National Guard or straight troops? Why not do it?
LOTT: Well, I think we should do it.
O'REILLY: Do you really?
LOTT: ...Oh, absolutely.
O'REILLY: You're the first politician I've heard...
LOTT: Look, most politicians run around worried about civil libertarians and being sued by the ACLU.
Nov 16, 2002 -- The CCC unanimously passes the following resolution praising Lott:
WHEREAS Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi this month publicly and courageously called for placing U.S. troops on the border to protect our country against the invasion of illegal aliens
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Council of Conservative Citizens commends Sen. Lott for his statement and that The Council calls on President Bush to fulfill his constitutional duty and place U.S. troops on the border to halt the invasion of the United States by illegal immigrants.
Dec 7 2002 -- At a party celebrating Thurmond's 100th birthday, Lott notes that his home state of Mississippi supported Thurmond's anti-integration candidacy.
"We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." What do you think?
posted on December 20, 2002 04:54:56 PM new
I think Lott has gotten elected over and over because the whole idea of equality and desegregation was cramed down the throats of the Southerners at Federal gun point and if you know the people at a private level sitting around their kitchen tables they still talk about the niggers with contempt and say all the old hateful stupid things about them being stupid and animals. Then they go to work and do whatever they have to be able to do business with the Federal government for contracts and get funding for schools and whatever hypocrisy they need to display to survive. But the majority of them have never changed their minds because their "daddy told them" on his knee the the blacks are inferior and the FEEL it is true.
The public face and private are not the same.
posted on December 21, 2002 09:27:08 AM new
The only thing I might add gravid is that many of the Republican inroads made in the North are done with the same prejudicial views towards blacks.
The "racial quota" and black "welfare queen" images also worked to the Republican advantage up North.
Playing the race card is wrong, but what is more problematic is that it works.
Even Clinton was faced with this reality and had to move right on the affirmative action issue by going with the "mend it don't end it" policy.
Lott and his ilk aren't the cause they are the effect of racism. As was pointed out, they are being elected again and again.
posted on December 21, 2002 12:03:01 PM new
>Playing the race card is wrong, but what is more problematic is that it works.
That's because everyone wants to be innocent again. In order to do that, most people try to become a victim of some sort. Victims don't have any choice and so, have no responsibility. The Race Card works because while it makes victims of some target group, it really is saying that the non-target group are the reasl victims, twisting and distorting reality that creates real injustice. Bu8t that's hom most peolle like to feel innocent again, IMO.
posted on December 21, 2002 05:37:15 PM new
Right Reamond. There are plenty in the North that feel the same way. It's hid even deeper because they know it is more of a mixed bag of opinion and they don't know who it's safe to say stuff too. So it is kept even closer to the vest at work and at say a cocktail party. They don't rip loose with the trash talk 'til it's just family or drinking buddies.
