CBlev65252
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:42:21 AM new
If you haven't already done so, vote here:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-prez2004story,0,5467485.htmlstory?vote8594962=1
Now, no multiple voting and no voting for more than one. Let's keep this honest.
Cheryl
The next time you think you're so perfect, try walking on water.
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Sep 10, 2003 06:45 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 07:47:05 AM new
Right now, I would be very happy with any of the top contenders for Democratic candidate. I see that your favorite candidate, Kucinich is ahead on that vote!
During the debate, I was impressed also by Kerry, Dean and Gephardt.
One things for sure...now is not the time to be bashing any candidate because any one of these superior choices will make an outstanding president.
Helen
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austbounty
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posted on September 10, 2003 08:27:33 AM new
I voted for Dennis Kucinich, it was a name I didn't recognise.
He's not a neocon is he!!
Should I have voted, being in Australia.
Are the servers for the vote count in Florida by any chance.
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davebraun
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posted on September 10, 2003 08:52:01 AM new
It's interesting that Dennis Kucinich is ahead as far as he is in this poll. The media makes every attempt to ignore his candidacy as he has been declared outside the mainstream by the media which is an attempt to shape the debate within the Democratic party by forces outside of the party. Sharptons low numbers highlight the digital divide which has widened over the past 2 years. I was impressed by Sharptons commanding presence during last nights debate (actually a brief question and answer period) as well as the content of his statements. Lieberman presented his viewpoints well but really should move to challenge Bush for the Republican nomination.
Republican, the other white meat!
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gravid
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posted on September 10, 2003 08:57:40 AM new
Nobody on the list worth considering. How about Davis? He's going to be free and has been a governor which seems to be a plus. He knows how to pop a few billion and sleep at night.
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Bear1949
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posted on September 10, 2003 09:17:56 AM new
Well it sure won't be one of the Nine Stooges.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34
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fred
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posted on September 10, 2003 09:53:02 AM new
President Bush. But not on that dipstick poll..
Fred
[ edited by fred on Sep 10, 2003 09:54 AM ]
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replaymedia
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posted on September 10, 2003 09:57:38 AM new
They're all crooks, both REPS and DEMS.
I don't have any idea who the Libertarian candidiate will be yet. I really wish these guys would get their act together.
LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT MORE!
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Replay Media
Games of all kinds!
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gravid
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posted on September 10, 2003 12:00:35 PM new
Oh but you NEED government - for example look at this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/usatoday/20030910/ts_usatoday/11833787&e=5
You poor sap they even have to take your money and use it to study how you should be eating and instruct you. There must be an agency somewhere to tell me how to tie my shoes too.....
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gravid
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posted on September 10, 2003 12:05:08 PM new
Question - What harm could it possibly do if we didn't HAVE a president for a term?
When I balance the harm various presidents have done against the possible gains it's scary.
The real work would still get done. But there would be no commander in chief to finger evil doers and declare war without congress (those hand wringing old women would never do it themselves). If Mexico rolled across the border and invaded us I bet the army would do something about it without a month's debate by congress.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 12:30:29 PM new
LOL gravid @ How about Davis? Nope...if he keeps 'buying' the voters the way he has been with the legislation they want passed....he won't be recalled. He'll get to keep his job. 
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Replay - You sound like I did in 2000. Swore I wouldn't vote for either gore or Bush, and didn't. Now I see it was a wasted vote...and will continue to be until a third party has an honest chance of getting in.
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And after spending a lot of time on these boards I'm convinced....I don't want ANYONE who sounds like most democrats here to be running our country. Too far left [with the exception of a couple flexible dems] for me.
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Let's see....who will I vote for in 2004? Hmmmmm.... RE-ELECT PRESIDENT BUSH is my motto.
[edited to change 2004 to 2000.]
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 12:32:39 PM new
What harm could it possibly do if we didn't HAVE a president for a term?
gravid, you spoil sport you....who would we have to discuss on all these 'hate' threads? LOL
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 02:27:50 PM new
Edwards...
"This is the same administration who says we can't afford a real prescription drug benefit, we can't afford to invest in our public schools, but the American taxpayer can afford to pay for everything that is happening in Iraq on the ground," Mr. Edwards said.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 02:38:52 PM new
"What I want to do more than anything as president of the United States is to restore the honor and dignity and respect that this country is owed around the world."
* Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 03:04:04 PM new
"This president is a miserable failure on foreign policy and on the economy and he's got to be replaced."
— Dick Gephardt
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 10, 2003 03:04:04 PM new
From Meet the Press:
Russert: ...calling for that, and this is what Howard Dean said. “The way to balance the budget, [Gov. Howard] Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. ‘It would be tough but we could do it,’ he said.”
Dean: Well, we fortunately don’t have to do that now.
Russert: We have a $500 billion deficit.
Dean: But you don’t have to cut Social Security to do that.
Russert: But why did you have to do it back then?
Dean: Well, because that was the middle of—I mean, I don’t recall saying that, but I’m sure I did, if you have it on your show, because I know your researchers are very good.
Russert: Well, Miles Benson is a very good reporter for the Newhouse News.
Dean: Yes, he is. No, no, no. I’m sure I did. I’m not denying I said that. I have...
- Howard Dean on Meet the Press June 22, 2003
From the AFL-CIO Debate in August:
In advocating at the AFL-CIO event that the Social Security retirement age be returned to 65, Dennis Kucinich noted that "Mr. Dean has said that he'd move the retirement age to 68. One time, he talked about moving it to 70."
Dean responded by offering a broad denial: "I have never favored a Social Security retirement age of 70. Nor do I favor one of 68."
In a release today documenting Dean's previous statements, Kucinich said: "It's unfortunate that Dr. Dean was not forthright with labor leaders and activists concerning his statements on Social Security which had been discussed on a recent 'Meet the Press' program.... If he wants to clarify his earlier statements, fine. But don't deny them while appealing for union votes."
I like some of what Dean wants, but I still think he does far too much double-talking.
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 03:09:21 PM new
But, in the total scheme of things that misunderstanding is a minor concern.
Helen
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 10, 2003 03:11:14 PM new
Helen
When considering everything going on right now - you've got that right! It's enough to make your head spin. No wonder I'm dizzy all the time. And here I thought it was menopause. 
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 03:16:37 PM new
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 04:32:50 PM new
re cheryl's post....on Dean.
hmmmmm....another one who doesn't stand by what he says from one time to another.
BUT....the issues that you listed are exactly why I hope Dean gets the party's nomination. I'm sure between being anti-war, wanting to even THINK about touching Social Security, and wanting to keep American's working longer will just thrill many of the undecideds.
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 10, 2003 04:35:39 PM new
Linda_K
Huh? Like Bush wanting to abolish overtime pay isn't going to hurt anyone? Like we already don't have to work longer hours thanks to cuts in everything?
Cheryl
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:07:27 PM new
cheryl - As adults you and I both know there is no candidate that fills our every desire. We each look at the overall picture of the candidate and make a decision on what's the MOST important issues to us that they support.
One of my biggest is have a strong pro-military president. Then other issues follow that.
I will say this for your Mr. K. At least he's like our President in that he says what he thinks and sticks to it. Doesn't say one thing one time and then something else at another time. They have principles and they hold to them, no matter who agrees or disagrees with them. It's called character. Most running on the presidential dem platform don't, imo.
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stonecold613
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:13:32 PM new
Jesse Ventura.
Ok, so he is a cry baby. But at least you can take him for his word. Can't say that about any democrat.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:16:09 PM new
LOL!
Denis Kucinich is unlike Bush in EVERY way! Don't try to compare any Democrat to the disaster that you support!
George Bush has "principles'? What exactly are they???
Character??? Where is it?
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:40:57 PM new
Helen...I think my statement was pretty clear. I do, however, just LOVE seeing you laugh....no matter the subject.
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NearTheSea
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:44:52 PM new
Lesse, Former First Lady Hillary Clinton or Thee Reverend Jesse Jackson wasn't there, so its a real tough call
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replay, I think the Libertarian is Lyndon LaRouche, that is if he's out of prison then His 'people' are all over Westlake Center in downtown Seattle, handing out buttons and flyers.
But a few years back Art Bell was a Libertarian, before becoming Republican, so I'd vote for Art Bell (if he was on the list)
Its Bush again for me
Art Bell Retired! George Noory is on late night coasttocoastam.com
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:49:23 PM new
that is if he's out of prison then. OMG!!! Now THAT'S good, truly. ROFLMHO
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:55:26 PM new
I've heard a rumor...think it was stated by Dick Morris...but can't say for sure.
Anyway...the thought process went like this. As the time to choose which dem the party will throw it's support behind....."IF" it's Dean ...the rumor is Hillary will run. It was said that she knows their party will lose with an anti-war candidate. So....as with all 'rumors' this could be true or not. Can't say. But I found that VERY interesting especially because I've believed that Hillary sort of 'supported' Dean.
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replaymedia
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posted on September 10, 2003 07:33:47 PM new
Hitlery Clinton only supports herself.
Here is how it will work, according to Rush Limbaugh, and it certainly sounds logical to me as well:
If Bush wins against a weak candidate on 2004, the Hitlery will be able to run against some currently unknown Republican in 2008, and could well win. This is probably what she's hoping for deep down.
IF there is a reasonable chance of a Democrat winning in 2004, Hitlery must run this time, against the incumbent Bush.
If a stong Democrat were to win in 2004, Hitlery would not be able to run in 2008 and would therefore have to wait until 2012, well into her 60's and past the point where anyone would care about her.
For her, it's either this time or 2008. If some other Democrat could actually win this time, she's screwed.
That's why if Dean or some other candidate really pulls out and starts looking seriously good, she'll jump in the race.
As it is, for better or worse, Bush has it all in his pocket right now. But things COULD change by this time next year.
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Games of all kinds!
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2003 07:42:31 PM new
replay - I just checked Dick Morris post...it was him I had read. A little bit different than what you posted, but they're both thinking along the same line.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/5261.htm
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