posted on September 19, 2003 04:59:47 AM
Why do we lock up Burglers, Bank Robbers, Pick Pockets...etc
Because it is ILLEGAL!
So why do we not lock up ILLEGAL Aliens who are stealing from this country just the same as that robber...
I am happy to say I did my duty yesterday... damned janitorial service had a person come into clean, could not speak one word of english... I called INS they came and Lo-behold.... ILLEGAL! This person will soon be sent back I was told.
This person was taking up a job slot that a LEGAL US citizen could of used.
When the janitorial service was questioned about this, typical reply... "We didn't know", I don't think anything will happen to them, but I am also happy to say that no more non-english speaking people are allowed to clean my buidling... I applaud the building owner for that.
We need to start punishing employers of illegals hard and severe... then maybe when no jobs are available for illegals, they will stop coming.
posted on September 19, 2003 08:28:15 AMWhen the janitorial service was questioned about this, typical reply... "We didn't know"
And, I suppose they also don't know that an employer is bound by the law to have a completed I-9 on file for each and every person they employ.
then maybe when no jobs are available for illegals, they will stop coming.
Maybe if the American companies who move to these countries would pay wages there comparable to what they pay here, illegals would have a reason to stop coming.
posted on September 19, 2003 08:40:10 AM
I think we should make burglary, bank robbing and pick pocketing legal. Just tax it and by doing that it will solve all the problems and then there will be no more criminals to fill up those nasty prisons
posted on September 19, 2003 08:40:13 AM
Well how about that Cheryla and I do agree about some things... yes if those companies paid the same wages as here there would be little need to come across.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on September 19, 2003 08:58:55 AM
my lawnmowers are mexican,i dont ask if they are illegal.
they come every other week and they expect to be paid after work is rendered,but many dont pay them on time and they just keep on mowing,afraid to lose the account to someone else.
sometimes their faces look swollen,may be from inhaling all that shredded grass and chemicals.
do you want their job??
posted on September 19, 2003 10:32:57 AM
Looks to me, if people would get off their duffs and clean their own offices and cut their own lawns, this wouldn't be an issue. I mean, how shallow can you get?
posted on September 19, 2003 10:52:40 AM
kraftdinner,
i think we have to send you back to school.
how about baking your own bread,make your own mops from old clothes,grow your own veggie,walk yourself to doctor;s office,distill your own gas,extract your own tooth,perform open heart surgery,take out your appendix,impregnate yourself with borrowed sperms,make your own keyboard,yes,the damn keyboard you are using right now.
posted on September 19, 2003 11:24:08 AM
Comparing tangibles to services is like apples and oranges. People who pay to get their lawns cut and complain about who's cutting them, are shallow.
posted on September 19, 2003 03:13:20 PM
Janitorial service is part of my lease Kraft... and your very answer shows you know very little about business... you would take away jobs from LEGAL US citizens.
The socialist North may not mind illegal immigrants either... that is your country... keep them there.
posted on September 19, 2003 04:04:02 PM"if people would get off their duffs and clean their own offices and cut their own lawns"
"People who pay to get their lawns cut and complain about who's cutting them, are shallow."
Some people do have very active lives and don't have time to do their own yard or office (me, my house) - doesn't make us shallow.
Actually it is no one's business whether someone cuts their own lawn or not - same goes for offices.
The second statement, KD, is ridiculous. How many times have you received service for which you paid - whether a restaurant, getting something repaired, etc. - and had something not up to standard? It's all relative...no matter who's bitching about it - liberals or conservatives - Americans or Canadians
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
posted on September 19, 2003 04:37:44 PM
you are compairing apples to oranges on the indictment of Kraftys second statement.
You are talking about when you recieve bad service. Krafty is referring to complaining about the service giver themselves, not the service they are providing.
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posted on September 19, 2003 04:51:27 PM
wgm, you're talking about complaining about a service. I'm talking about complaining because the person doing the service, is an illegal alien.
These people are willing to do jobs nobody wants or has time for, and for less pay. If they are doing their job, complaining only on the basis of them being illegal, is shallow, in my opinion.
posted on September 19, 2003 04:59:29 PM
How is it shallow kraft to expect the people working in the US are in fact US citizens... do you have any integrity?
posted on September 19, 2003 05:06:10 PM
The U.S. citizens don't want these jobs - that's why the illegals come over. If there were no jobs, they wouldn't be successful in finding work.
I'm not sure what my integrity has do with anything...
posted on September 19, 2003 05:17:43 PM
kraftdinner
We are going to disagree here I'm afraid. I know plenty of people out of work who are toting lawn mowers from house to house. The Ford Motor plant here in Lorain may close its doors. That's 1,700 people to be out of work. Should someone coming here illegally from wherever have jobs that could be taken by these people just because they tolerate being paid less? I do know highly paid laborers that are now working for less than I make and they would be grateful for a job - any job.
I don't even think about the problem when the economy here is good and jobs are plentiful for the citizens here. But, when jobs become few and far between and companies start moving away in order to pay for cheap labor, then I pay closer attention. I don't think anyone here is denying that these people deserve a job that pays them what they are worth. What the complaint is is that those jobs should be available in their own countries. If they are to come here, do so legally. Pay taxes just like all the rest of us.
Our state (Ohio) has been particularly hard it. There aren't many good paying jobs here. Especially up north. Huge concessions are being made by the UAW bosses in order to keep jobs here. Finally, they are working WITH the big three (I think that's what you call the top motor companies) to see that foreign competition does not force the closing of more plants. It's a critical issue and it isn't made any better by illegals coming here to work.
posted on September 19, 2003 05:19:47 PM
Yes, if you are to be employed legally. That's what an I-9 is for. They must show proof that they can legally work in the U.S. It's the law. But, in order to pay less in salaries and employment taxes there are companies that ignore that law.
posted on September 19, 2003 05:26:35 PM
OK, now I understand what you're getting at, Cheryl. Thanks! It's not the illegal people themselves, but the companies that will hire these people illegally, taking away jobs from citizens. I think that's wrong, of course. Is that what you meant all along, Twelve? If so, I apologize.
posted on September 19, 2003 05:32:17 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that I'm sure these people would rather be able to work in their own countries. Most, if not all, have families they are trying to support. Coming here takes them away from those families. Of course, there are a few that come here for other things as well, but I think they are in the minority.
posted on September 19, 2003 05:53:39 PM
okay,now i understand,the gripe is the employer hiring illegal immigrants to do janitorial work and billing the customer the same ,pocketing the diff in wage between the legal and illegal worker??is this the gripe and is this the reason you turn the worker in??
i am talking about self employed minority immigrant,i dont ask to see his green card,i pay him 15 dollars for the front lawn and a small backyard as i have a large cement patio,so not much at the back.
now how many american would do it for 15,or 20??
and shame on the homeowners who dont pay on time,it may be a small sum to you,but these guys may need it to put food on the table for the family or to pay for gas and sharpen their tools.
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posted on September 19, 2003 05:57:00 PM
Cheryl - I think that is where Twelve gets lost. He thinks seems to think that we should just force Mexican companies to pay US level wages but offers up no plan that would facilitate a country where the average worker makes less than $200 a month to suddenly start paying wages of 5 to 10 times as much. A great deal of corporations in the US depend on Mexicos economy remaining weak for their bottom line so those regulations that he champions will never happen because those are the companies with high end lobbists and that make extravagant campaign donations.
I think he may also be unaware that Mexico has an illegal immigration problem that dwarfs ours.
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posted on September 19, 2003 06:05:13 PM
This is probably off-topic, but I'm going to say it anyway.
When Cheryl posted about these people being away from their families, it made me think of something that just really gets in my craw....
When I go to the PO, 9 times out of 10 there is a foreigner with a wad of cash to send back home...and I am not just referring to Hispanic men. I have seen Oriental men and also Middle Eastern men. I have gotten to know one of the clerks, and she says they do it on a weekly basis, like clockwork.
American jobs taken away from Americans, American money taken away from our economy...
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
posted on September 19, 2003 06:05:25 PM
how about if we can only sell on one venue ,the first one we sign up is the one we are stuck with forever.
lets say those who register with yahoo,ioffer or amzn would never be allowed to sell on ebay.
capital and labor move to where $$ is.
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posted on September 19, 2003 06:31:56 PM
American jobs taken away from Americans, American money taken away from our economy...
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but these illegal immigrants are doing jobs american shun.
as for sending money home,of course they send money home to support their family,what do you expect them to do ??blow it on booze,lotto tickets and american women??
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posted on September 19, 2003 06:42:11 PM
What angers me the most are the AMERICAN companies that move their factories to foreign countries in order to pay meager salaries. You probably won't get too many of them admitting to it. Why should a Mexican citizen stay in Mexico to work for an American company paying him pennies when he can sneak into the US and make more money posing as a US citizen? I blame corporations for this problem more than I blame these people for trying to feed their families. I'm not talking about those who cut lawns or clean up yards. To me that's are inconsequential. Unions were formed in part to protect US workers from this very thing. Who is protecting these workers from American companies taking advantage of them in their own country? Certainly not that country and certainly not ours. Until people stand up and say unless the product is made here, we don't want it, the problem will continue. I'll pay a few dollars more for a product made here if it means the jobs stay here. The more people are working, the more money gets spent, and the better the economy gets.
wgm
I know what you mean about the money being sent back home. With the Mexican workers, it's pennies. Not so with the Arabic or Puerto Rican community. I know first hand because some of them are my friends. However, the difference is that I don't think the number of Arabics in this country that are here illegally is nearly as high. They are here legally and making money legally. They are also making more money because it is obtained legally. A company can pay an illegal far less than they can pay a legal.
