John O'Neill, co-author of the best-selling "Unfit for Command," the book that accuses John Kerry of falsifying his Vietnam record, challenged the presidential candidate to sue him if he's wrong about any of his claims.
O'Neill made the challenge on Monica Crowley's radio show on WABC in New York last night.
"If he was actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve in 1968, he should sue me," said O'Neill. "If, in fact those other five boats on March 13th, 1969, if they all fled like he did instead of staying like he knows they did, he should sue me."
Kerry's campaign has been threatening to sue television stations that broadcast ads by O'Neill's Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The campaign has also threatened to sue Regnery Books, the company that published "Unfit for Command." The campaign has also filed complaints with the Federal Elections Commission trying to subvert the efforts of the independent swift boats group.
"If he didn't wound himself with a grenade, causing a rice fanny wound, and then reported it to the Navy as a water mine – if he didn't do that on March 13th he should sue me," O'Neill continued. "(The point is) on our first ad he (Kerry) had two huge law firms send letters to every station, threatening to sue the stations themselves (if they ran the ad). Then he challenged the book's publisher (Regnery) indicating he would sue them if they had continued printing the book."
"You can't tell a whole group of veterans they don't have a right to speak out," said Jerome Corsi, O'Neill's co-author. "The swiftboat vets have earned the right to speak with their blood.
"What's wrong with his answering the charges in the book?"
The latest ad, to be aired in selected battleground states, is the second issued this month by the group of 254 vets who served with Kerry and have signed a letter contending he is unfit to be commander in chief.
"This is not a campaign to elect George Bush," said Corsi. "It's a campaign to say John Kerry is unfit for command, period."
Kerry's campaign also is calling on Regnery Publishing to withdraw "Unfit for Command" from bookstores, describing it as a book with "proven falsehoods" meant "to smear the military service of an American veteran."
The new ad begins with audio and photographs from Kerry's dramatic testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971 in which he charged Americans serving in Vietnam "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."
posted on August 23, 2004 08:05:48 PM
Another article on the same subject, bear, with a little additional info.
We'll see if kerry sues or if he just continues letting his lawyers try to silence these vets with their threats.
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NewsMax.com 8-22-04
Sunday, Aug. 22, 2004 3:44 p.m. EDT
O'Neill Dares Kerry: 'Sue Me'
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spokesman John O'Neill dared Sen. John Kerry on Sunday to sue him for libel if, as Kerry's presidential campaign maintains, key claims in O'Neill's book "Unfit for Command" are not true.
"I invite him to sue me for libel," O'Neill, who co-authored the overnight best seller with Jerome Corsi, told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley.
"If he was actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, he should sue me.
If, in fact, those other five [Swift] Boats, on March the 13, [1969], if they all fled like he did, instead of staying like he knows they did, he should sue me."
O'Neill continued, "If he didn't wound himself with a grenade, causing sort of a rice-fanny wound, and then reported it to the Navy as a water mine - if he didn't do that on March 13, he should sue me."
O'Neill issued the challenge after noting that Kerry's campaign has gone to extraordinary lengths to suppress the information in "Unfit for Command."
"On our first [Swiftvet] ad, he had two huge law firms send letters to every [TV] station, threatening to sue the stations themselves" if they ran the ad, the former Swift Boat commander told Crowley.
"The next thing he did was challenge the book's publisher, Regnery, indicating he would sue them if they continued printing the book," he added.
The best-selling author said that while Regnery declined to stop printing "Unfit," it offered to republish Kerry's 1971 book, "The New Soldier," which chronicles the top Democrat's anti-war protests with a group bankrolled by Jane Fonda.
Kerry has declined to have "The New Soldier" republished over the years and reportedly bought up most of the available copies in 1972, after his opponent in a congressional race used it to paint him as anti-American.
posted on August 23, 2004 08:19:15 PM
Another good article is one from FrontPage Magazine...dated 8-10-04....speaks to the issue of kerry and his lawyers working overtime to silence this group of SwiftBoat Vets.
Also below that article is one where it's mentioned the SwiftBoatVets get their own lawyers.
posted on August 23, 2004 08:27:44 PM
I didn't hear it, twelve, but it's on several internet sites today.
Dole tell kerry he has only himself to blame...and that he should apologize for his past statements. Plus said he should open up his medical records [form 180] and let us see the proof.
kerrys slams the vets....accuses them off all sorts of things during the war...and accuses the vets who served of lying...
posted on August 23, 2004 08:28:50 PM
Seems to me if you run for political office all is 'fair game'. Its has been traced though that the swift boaters out for this have Bush affiliations. BUT, I think Dole made a fair assessment: In essence, Kerry bought this on himself by trying to promote his service angle from 30 years ago. He should have concentrated on the economy and things democrats do well or at least his senate record (another plain truth - which dole spoke of. Who is going to accuse dole of slander?) But it's so far gone now, the media wont stop talking about it, calling it the story that never ends and they keep pushing it in the public's face. But its all smoke and mirrors to deflect the real issues at hand. It will be a wonder if either of the candidates can talk about issues pertinent to the times and not about some war that happened 3 decades ago!
Linda, I know you will say it relevent because of the trust issue, but if that is the case we can look to Bush Sr's read my lips promise. I think the liberals feel its revelent because Iraq is in their minds, another viet nam scenario. I dont know if I have yet to conclude that for myself, but it is questionable.
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posted on August 4, 2004 12:31:21 PM, by bunnicula, Vendio RT
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Same in her recent "conversation" with me…Sad, yet strangely fascinating & amusing at the same time…..
- Oh to be the object of a lonely one's fascination and amusement!!
posted on August 23, 2004 08:37:11 PM
So I guess, helen, since mainstream media seems to be threatened by kerry's lawyers.....that the actual interview in NY on the radio didn't really happen?
Of course it happened....NEW YORK - [Appearing on the Moncia Crowley Sunday show on NYC's WABC 770AM, the co-author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, John O'Neill dared John Kerry to "sue me for libel"] but while you always dis these sources as anyone can plainly see...they're the few who ARE willing to give both sides of an issue to the public...and let them decide.
NOT limiting freedom of speech or limiting the press.... when kerry doesn't like what's being said.
Is that what we'd have to look forward to from a kerry administration???? His and Edwards lawyers throwing threats around everything someone said something they don't want the public to hear???? Yep....looks like it would be exactly that way since they're doing it now.
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posted on August 23, 2004 09:04:26 PM
Hi Neroter - Seems to me if you run for political office all is 'fair game'.
I agree...what's been fair to hand out to President Bush....is also fair to hand out against kerry. Just like his voting records there are also documents these SBVets have - documented proof...and kerry needs to open his VN medical records IF he wants to prove them to be liars.
But so far he refuses.
Those who support kerry sure didn't mind all that was being said about President Bush via both kerry and his 527 supporters - like Soro's giving MILLIONS to kerrys ads. Yet they claim the republicans support these SBVets. Would they expect a democrat who supports kerry, like say Soro's, to be the one who gives them their initial starting funds.
kerry is taking some heat and they don't like it one bit. Feels different when the shoe is on the other foot.
Its has been traced though that the swift boaters out for this have Bush affiliations. Republican supporters....just like democratic supporters have funded the 527s kerry has used against President Bush.
its all smoke and mirrors to deflect the real issues at hand.
Well...kerry won't tell the public where he stands or how he's going to do things....other than to say 'he'll make them better & tell us just HOW he's going to do them AFTER he's elected. So what issues are there to discuss? He just hands out promises....always bashing how Bush has done it....rarely offering just what he'd do differently. Typical politician.
Linda, I know you will say it relevent because of the trust issue,
not JUST trust, neroter, his character for all these years. Why can't he point out to us all the 'good things he's done in his 20 years in the Senate. He gives himself credit for a lot of bills that he had nothing to do with....just voted on them...then claims "I helped pass." give me a break.
but if that is the case we can look to Bush Sr's read my lips promise.
This President is NOT his father. You cannot blame the actions of a father on the son. They each are individuals - each responsible for their own actions. And this President, unlike his father, HAS given tax cuts to all Americans....and he's still fighting to make them permanent. That doesn't look like someone who's going to raise taxes to me. But kerry's outrageous promises to all....are only going to be able to be paid for by HUGE tax increases...just like clinton did in 1993.
And also if you look back to that point in time - [read my lips], it was the Democrats in Congress who pushed Bush Sr. into raising the taxes then.
I think the liberals feel its revelent because Iraq is in their minds, another viet nam scenario.
This is NOT vietnam. When we went into VN it was to detour the communists from expanding their terroritory. In Iraq...the past three administrations and many in the world felt saddam was a threat....needed to be removed. I guess too many here are just to young to remember what our country went through after WW11....and the rebuilding of their countries. There was this same upset....it didn't run smoothly in the beginning stages either. It's going to take time. And kerry has nothing he's offered to make it any better. NOTHING!!
Ever since I can remember the Middle East has been a hotbed of trouble. Now we have a chance to change that....not just for Iraq but for the surrounding countries. That's one reason I think Iran is fighting so hard right now...they don't want their people to see a 'free Iraq' as then they may be overthrown because the Iranians might want the same freedom they see in Iraq. But...again, it's not going to happen quickly.
posted on August 23, 2004 09:16:26 PM
reamond - Free speech or free press has never included slander or libel.
Oh so...you know of many presidential candidates who've gone around to both media and press and threatened them NOT to let someone elses voice/view/opinions be heard, have you?
kerry only needs to open up his medical records....then he can prove what he's saying they're lying about. Since his commanding officer refused to sign the form for his medal....and kerry got it some how....then show us who did sign for him to receive that medal. He hasn't....and he won't.....because it was denied to him when he first applied for it. A wound needed a pair of tweezers and a bandaid...aren't given for minor scratchs.
And you've claimed he has schrapnel in his leg....where has that ever been mentioned/proven? Did he release SOME medical records but not others? I've never seen it reported when his 'tiny' wounds have been listed.
Free speech or free press has never included slander or libel.
kerry needs to be able to prove it's slander or libel....and as we're reading O'Neill's telling him...if you think I'm lying...then SUE ME.
posted on August 23, 2004 09:22:22 PM
kerry will never sign a 180. How ever one of the most important logs on all swift boats operations is the radio log of the base radio operator. This is not the ship log or the ships radio operator. It records all actions of all Swift Boats during the Vietnam conflict... I would be safe to say Mr O'Neil has beat the kerry group to those logs.
Mr O'Neil's Book serves two good Things. 1. it a pain in kerry's ass. 2. All proceeds go to the Navy relief. that my good friends will help those who are serving now...
posted on August 23, 2004 09:25:07 PM....just voted on them...then claims "I helped pass." give me a break.
okay, Linda that one makes me smile.
we went into VN it was to detour the communists from expanding their terroritory
Well, isnt this what we are doing with Iraq?
Replace the word communists with the word terrorists? Many see it that way. I personally dont know if that is a valid comparision. I thought so at one time. I heard a guy on some talk show and he said it like this - actually, come to think of it - I think it was Tommy Franks? - anyway what he said was something to this effect; what we found in Iraq was akin to looking for a hydrogen bomb. We didnt find any bombs, but what we found were plenty of hydrogen and other compilied components. - Why would one have all the components if they were not planning on making a bomb? That made me think what were they really planning here?
Someone else mentioned biological threats and I agree that is more cause for alarm at this point since they could make agents that wouldnt have to be imported or could very easily be imported.
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posted on August 23, 2004 09:45:53 PM
"The court of public opinion is already dealing with the liar"
Yes, in the 3 states showing the commercials, 31% of those who saw them support Kerry. The rest say they have serious doubts now.
Main stream media had previously ignored the story. Now with it getting bigger and Kerry going crazy to block it, they are covering it.
The next series of commercials has Kerry speaking before Congress. Those ads will be devastating.
I thought it strange that I really haven't seen a lot of Bush TV ads and what I did see was just the President being presented as a strong leader, etc. Now I'm seeing a LOT of Bush ads that are all Kerry. They show a Kerry speech or quote followed by a he said this, he DID THAT.
posted on August 23, 2004 10:01:11 PMMore correct: "GREVIOUSLY wounded war veteran and Rep candidate who lost to Clinton questions Kerry's scratches" Kerry couldn't carry the pen Dole keeps in his mangled arm and hand.
That would sound so much more impressive & patriotic if it wasn't a known fact that Republicans only honor veterans, even grievously injured ones, when they agree absolutely with everything the party says & does. Otherwise, they attack them like hungry pit bulls.
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posted on August 23, 2004 10:01:59 PM
I agree with you desquirrel.
dolittle thinks Dole is bitter? I dont think so. He shrugs it off, he ran and was defeated. Who better to speak of what mistakes can be made in a campaign? You discount his years of experience in the Washington game as the mere grousing of an old man. Although he is old, and even he will laugh about that fact himself. It seems to me he knows what he is talking about more than many they interview. But doolittle prefers to reduce him to the viagra thing.
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posted on August 23, 2004 11:26:01 PM
Gee, I wonder when Michael Moore is going to become egalitarian and donate the proceeds from his hatchet film to Navy Relief? Oh, wait, that's putting your money where your mouth is and not your foot.
posted on August 23, 2004 11:59:48 PM
If someone else recommended kerry for the Purple Hearts, I would be ok with it. But for kerry to recommend himself for the Purple Hearts for tiny little scratches really stinks. One was probably from shrapnel from his own grenade launcher. That tells me all I need to know about the sorry bastard.
And it's too bad we can't get a copy of kerry's 1971 book "The New Soldier." What's kerry trying to hide?
posted on August 24, 2004 08:44:38 AM
ebayauctionguy - What's kerry trying to hide?
The book [Unfit For Command] will inform many readers of the little-known trip to Paris Kerry took to negotiate with our enemies while the United States was at war, and the connections in Hanoi his organization worked to establish. It also describes the book Kerry published with Macmillan Press in 1971, New Soldier, of which he is apparently now ashamed; and gives an account of the honors bestowed on Kerry for his contributions to the North Vietnamese war effort.
There's a copy available on Amazon for ONLY $798.00 if you want to read it.
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posted on August 24, 2004 09:16:20 AM
A Republican untruth squad
The Boston Globe
Monday, August 23, 2004
Imagine if supporters of Bill Clinton had tried in 1996 to besmirch the military record of his opponent, Bob Dole. After all, Dole was given a Purple Heart for a leg scratch probably caused, according to one biographer, when a hand grenade thrown by one of his own men bounced off a tree. And while the serious injuries Dole sustained later surely came from German fire, did the episode demonstrate heroism on Dole's part or a reckless move that ended up killing his radioman and endangering the sergeant who dragged Dole off the field?
The truth, according to many accounts, is that Dole fought with exceptional bravery and deserves the nation's gratitude. No one in 1996 questioned that record. Any such attack on behalf of Clinton, an admitted Vietnam draft dodger, would have been preposterous. Yet amazingly, something quite similar is happening today as supporters of President George W. Bush attack the Vietnam record of Senator John Kerry.
The situations are not completely parallel. Bush was not a draft dodger, but he was a Vietnam avoider, having joined the Texas Air National Guard rather than serving in the regular military. Kerry, on the other hand, may have done more than Dole to qualify as a genuine war hero. Although his tour in Vietnam was short, on at least two occasions he acted decisively and with great daring in combat, saving at least one man's life and earning both a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. That account is drawn from witnesses and military citations.
Yet a group of Vietnam veterans is questioning Kerry's record, operating cynically and ignoring the evidence. Many in this group felt betrayed by Kerry's opposition to the Vietnam War after he returned home. A renewed debate on that war might be useful, though we believe most Americans now agree with Kerry's famous statement to Congress at the time that it was a mistake.
Rather than seeking debate, however, this group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is attempting political assassination, claiming in ads and a best-selling book that Kerry is "Unfit for Command." In many cases the charges conflict with statements the same men made in the past. Sometimes the allegations contradict documentary evidence.
While a few details and dates of Kerry's Vietnam record are open to question, most of the accusations are laughable. Kerry's record of service in Vietnam is clear and, one would think, unassailable. Given the contrast in their Vietnam-era records - Bush even let his pilot's license lapse while still in the Guard - Bush might be expected to change the subject.
Yet the Kerry opponents, working with funders and political operatives linked to Bush personally, are attempting what is known in politics as the big lie - an effort simply to contradict the truth repeatedly. Both parties do it, but Republicans are developing a shocking expertise. The smearing of John McCain in South Carolina in 2000, and this utterly cynical campaign against Kerry by Bush's False Squad deserve condemnation.
Kerry has faulted a few of his own supporters who lampooned Bush's National Guard record. Now Bush should call off his dogs.
posted on August 24, 2004 10:09:14 AM
Call of HIS dogs??
That's very funny especially considering O'Neill has had it out for kerry for over 30 years - been saying this for 30 years. Didn't involve this President at all back then....and still doesn't.
It's how these vets feel about how kerry turned on THEM and their service, their actions...the fact that he wants credit for his anti-war actions AND then turns around and tries to use his short 4 month service to show us he was SUCH a hero. Can't have it both ways.
These Swift Boat Vets are an independent 527 group...just like the 527s who support kerry. With the exception that the SBVTs have stated they aren't doing this to get Bush elected....but rather to speak their opinions about why kerry is UNFIT to command this Nation's Armed Forces.
posted on August 24, 2004 10:21:44 AMSenator John Kerry's running mate, Senator John Edwards, has said melodramatically: "Ask the men who served with him in Vietnam!"
But now that men who served with Kerry in Vietnam are coming forward and contradicting Kerry's version of what happened there, Senator Edwards is calling it a "smear."
Apparently we are to listen only to those veterans who were hand-picked by the Kerry campaign.
The Kerry version of events begins with his volunteering to serve in the Vietnam war.
The O'Neill version has Kerry's draft board rejecting his application for a deferment and Kerry then enlisting in the [b]Naval Reserve -- not the Navy, as in Brinkley's book[/b].
Enlisting in the Naval Reserves is not very different from enlisting in the National Guard. The big difference is that John Kerry happened to get sent to Vietnam and George Bush did not. But those decisions were made by people far above them in the military chain of command.
Yet some in the media and elsewhere have acted as if it was heroic for John Kerry to have enlisted in the Naval Reserve and cowardly for George Bush to have enlisted in the National Guard. But none has bothered to show what essential difference -- if any -- there is between these two back-up branches of service.
We write from our common heritage as veterans of duty aboard Swift Boats in the Vietnam War. Indeed, you should note that a substantial number of those men who served directly with you during your four month tour in Vietnam have signed this letter.
It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us).
Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war. We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an anti-war to a "war hero" status. You now seek to clad yourself in the very medals that you disdainfully threw away in the early years of your political career.
In the process, we believe you continue a deception as to your own conduct through such tactics as the disclosure of only carefully screened portions of your military records. Both then and now, we have concluded that you have deceived the public, and in the process have betrayed honorable men, to further your personal political goals.
Your conduct is such as to raise substantive concerns as to your honesty and your ability to serve, as you currently seek, as Commander-in-Chief of the military services.
It is vital that the American public have as much information as possible about candidates for President of the United States. In various ways, you have rightly called upon President Bush to be fully accountable and to provide full disclosure.
In the same spirit, now that you are the presumptive nominee of your Party, we believe it is incumbent upon you to make your total military record open to the American people. Specifically, we the undersigned formally request that you authorize the Department of the Navy to independently release your military records (through your execution of Standard Form 180), complete and unaltered, including your military medical records.
Further, we call upon you to correct the misconceptions your campaign seeks to create as to your conduct while in Vietnam. Permit the American public the opportunity to assess your military performance upon the record, and not upon campaign rhetoric.
Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the truth. We have been silent long enough. The stakes are too great, not only for America in general but, most importantly, for those who have followed us into service in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you to provide a full, accurate accounting of your conduct in Vietnam.
Respectfully,
Roy Alexander
Kenneth J. Andrews, Lt.
Dan V. Armstrong, BM2
Ray Lewis Ballew
Alexander Bass
George M Bates
Richard Beers
Paul L. Bennett, Cdr., USN
Edward J. "Lord Mort" Bergin, Capt., USNR Ret. Henry Buddy Berman, QM2
Barry Bogart, EN2
Bob Bolger Cdr., USN Ret.
M.T. Boone
David Borden
Vern Boyd
David M. Bradley, LCdr.
Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant, Cdr. USN (Ret.)
Kenneth Briggs
Carlyle J. Brown , EN2
Kenneth "Buck" Buckholz, GMM3
Michael C. Burton
Joe Cahill, Jr., Lt.
Jack L. Carlson, Lt., USNR
Billy Carwile, EN3
Jack Chenoweth
William Colgan, RD3
Bill Collins
Daniel K. Corbett, Lt., USNR
James M. Corrigan, QM3
Terry Costello
John H. Davis, Lt.
William K. Daybert, Cdr. James Deal
John Dooley, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Dale Duffield , BM1, USN, Ret.
Robert G. Elder, Lt.
George M. Elliott, Capt. USNR, Ret.
Wallace Benjamin Foreman, QM1, USN, Ret.
William T. Ferris, Capt. USNR, Ret.
William E. Franke, LT.jg
Robert L. Franson, BMCS (SW)
Alfred J. French, III, Capt., JAGC, USNR, Ret.
Paul F. Fulcomer, RD3
Ray Fuller, GMG3
Steve Fulton, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Mike Gann, Capt., USNR, Ret.
Steve Gardner
Bill Garlow
Les Garrett
Tony Gisclair
Robert Gnau, QM2
Donald Goldberg
Morton Golde, Cdr. USN, Ret.
Kenneth Golden
Gerald L. Good, Lt. USN
John C. Graves
Charles E. Green, ENCM, USN Ret.
Dennis L. Green, GMG
H.C. Griffin, Jr., Lt. USNR
I.B.S. (Boyd) Groves, Jr.
Charles R. Grutzius, Capt. USNR, Ret.
F.L. Skip "Mustang Sally"
Gunther, Lt. USN
Bill Halpin, Lt. USNR, Ret.
Don C. Hammer, Lt.
Rock Harmon
Keith C. Harris, RD2
Stewart M. Harris, Lt., USN
Gene Hart, RD3
Bob Hastings
Curt Hatler
John Hecker , RD3
Chuck Herman, RD3
Raul Herrera
Tom Herritage
Grant (Skip) Hibbard
Rocky Hildreth
Roy Hoffmann, Adm., USN, Ret.
William P. Holden, Capt., USN Ret.
Wayland Holloway, Lt. USNR
Robert Hooke, Lt.
Andy Horne
John Howell
Warren Hudson
Charles W. Hunt, EN3
Robert Hunt
Gail E. "Ike" Ikerd, Cdr. Ret.
John Paul Jones, QM3
Tom Jones
Eddie Kajioka ENCS, USN Ret.
John L. Kipp, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Thomas H. Klemash
Kenneth Knipple, EN1
Robert Koger, QM2
Mike Kovanen, RD3
Bob Kreyer, GMG2
Jack K. Lane, GMG3
William T. Langham
William Lannom
Joseph R. Lavoie, II CWO2 (BOSN), USN Ret.
Louis Letson, LCdr., USN, Ret.
Jim Madden, RD3
William S. Mann, Jr., LT.jg
Jim Marohn, GMG3
Douglas Martin, Lt. USNR
Tom Mason, Lt.
Donald Matras, EN2 Ret.
Thomas Mason, Lt.
Louis Masterson
Richard McFarland, Lt. USNR
Kenneth B. McGhee
James McNeal, ENC
Larry Meyer
Jack Merkley, Lt.
James M. Miller
Martin Miller, ENC, Ret. Marc Milligan, GMG2
Benjamin A. Montoya, QM3
Bub Morgan, LT.jg
Edgar (Ed) M. Morrill, Jr.
Tom Morrill, EN3
Wayne H. Moser
Kurt Moss, Lt. J.G.
Frank Mueller
Marc Mulligan, GMG2
Ed Mundy
Richard Olsen, Lt.
John O'Neill
Albert Owens
Tedd Peck, Capt. USNR, Ret.
Robert Phalen, GMG2
Joseph L. Ponder, GMG-2, USN Ret.
Charles Plumley
Chuck Rabel
Bill Rogers , Lt.
Jennings Rogerson II, Capt. USMC Ret.
Patrick Sage GMG3
Gary W. Sallee, BM2
Joe Sandoval, GMG3
Jimmy W. Sanford, RD3
Robert g Bob h Sattergood
Jim Schneider, EN2
Clair J. (Pete) Schrodt, Capt. USN, Ret.
Jack Shamley
Patrick Sheedy, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Paul Shepherd, QM2
Robert B. Shirley, Lt.jg William Shumadine
Stanley G. Simonson, GMG2
Darryl Skuce, GMG2
John J. Skura
Gerald H. Smith
Roy Smith
B. Tony Snesko BM2
Mike Solhaug
Jack Spratt, LCDR
Stirlin Harris, BM2
Fred E. Stith, USN, (Ret.)
David R. Stefferud, Capt., USN Ret.
James Steffes
Lawrence Stoneberg, Lt. USN Ret.
Weymouth Symmes
W.P. (Sonny) Taylor
James P. Thomas
Eldon Thompson, LT.jg
Charles R. Tinstman, ENC Gary E. Townsend
William F. Trainer
Michael Turley, BM2
Chris J. Vedborg, RD3
Jeffrey M. Wainscott, LT. jg
David Wallace
Greg Ward, EN2
Larry J. "Waz" Wasikowski, Cdr. U.S.
Naval Reserve
Pete Webster
Robert T. Wedge, Jr., QM1, USN Ret.
Steven Weekley, GMG, QM3
George H. White, II
R. Shelton White, Lt.
Gary K. Whittington, EN3
James D. Wiggins
Dennis D. Willess, EN3
Thomas A. Withey, Lt.
Barnard Wolff
Thomas W. Wright , Cdr., USN Ret.
John Wyatt, GMG
John Yeoman, Lt.
Ex Officio:
Verne DeWitt
David P. Marion , CPT Infantry, US Army
Benjamin A. Montoya, QM3
Cordelia Ogrinz, in memory of her brother Alexander J. Ogrinz, III, Lt.
Rex Rectanus, VADM, USN, Ret.
Skip Ridley
Emmett Tidd
James M. Zumwalt in memory of Elmo Zumwalt, Sr. and Elmo Zumwalt, Jr, his father and brother
posted on August 24, 2004 12:28:15 PM
from today's Drudge Report:
AUG 24, 2004 11:09:31 ET XXXXX
KERRY PHONES SWIFTBOAT FOES
**World Exclusive**
Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.
Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.
Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV. The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.
KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"
BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there." [Brant had two men killed in battle.]
KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."
Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] -- man to man -- face to face.
Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.
posted on August 24, 2004 12:49:34 PM
Thanks for posting that Linda. It shows what others have been saying is true: the SBVFT isn't really about what Kerry did duringthe war, but rather because he spoke out against it when he got home. And to that point they are willing to lie themselves blue in the face, deny the validity of their own medals, and cast a shadow of doubt over the medals won by every military person.
Shows you the type of people they are.
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posted on August 24, 2004 01:00:24 PM
The Unfit for Command book is divided into two sections...one discounting kerry's medals...the other his actions after he returned home.
Shows what kind of people they are??? Yes, those who have absolutely no political gain to get from telling their own stories - calling kerry on his lies....which one-by-one he's backing off of. They're those who have put themselves on the line and know they were facing a possible lawsuit, but don't feel treatened by it because they know kerry CAN'T sue them...they have documentation of what they've said.
But look at kerry....reversed himself already on two of their claims he has previously denied. AND in addition to that, when asked about his actions in 1970-71...what's kerry saying???? "Well, maybe I shouldn't have worded it like that" "I didn't mean that"..."I shouldn't have said that".
Yes, bunni, we're just beginning to see who the real liar here is...and it's NOT all these vets. Even kerry's own diary support what they've said. How embarassing for him.
