posted on September 23, 2004 09:39:24 PM new
What are you libs going to do?
Any of you planning on leaving the country?
start making those immigration requests now... you never know how long the line will be LOL
LOL
I plan on celebrating by throwing a party for my circle of friends and family...
It was a nice run, but most folks can see that kerry is going down, to much flip-floping and indecisveness... to many issues to over come... debates will just solidify this election, do you think that during the town hall meeting it won't be required to ask questions on a certain subject? Kerry could never allow those questions about VN to come out on national tv...
posted on September 23, 2004 10:54:31 PM new
Twelve, you know the first thing they will do is say Pres Bush stole the election.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on September 23, 2004 11:28:32 PM new
Yea...President Reagan ended the Cold War. How terrible. Especially all those World Leaders praising him for his part in it. So many of the liberals at that time would not even admit there were communists, let alone admit they were a threat to our country....some here still won't think they were.
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When President Bush is re-elected...he and our Congress are going to have to decide on a very important issue....what they're going to do about Iran. It's pretty obvious that Iran is defying the UN [like we all wonder why? ]...and we all know how they handled the major issues....by doing nothing. The decision will have to be made by our Congress and President.
But then I'm hopeful that he'll [they'll] revamp our Social Security system...by privatizing it....thereby giving our youth a chance to 'own their own' accounts....be able to manage part of it themselves.
I also hope they:
Continue to strengthen our military....fund equipment needs...better and better benefits for those who have served in war zones....and all in general.
Work to make the tax cuts permanent.
Get the Marriage Amendment going again.
Pass the bill on this in the House...then the Senate - at the least.
Make late-term/partial birth abortions illegal....except when the mother's *life* is in danger.
Continue the NCLB program...make schools accountable.
Get vouchers passed for the students that are not learning in their schools....let them have school choice.
Get more off the welfare rolls and back to work.
Don't give illegals any rights of any kind...send them home.
Continue funding the groups that are doing the best job at helping the poor get back on their feet....better than government agencies and for much less money...because they volunteer their time and energy.
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That's a good beginning.
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posted on September 24, 2004 04:06:58 AM new
linda says,
Continue the NCLB program...make schools accountable.
Maybe that would work in the great state of Texas. Recently they lost 7 million in federal school funding due to lack of scholastic progress. Of course that is understandable when the current governor, Governor Rick Perry has a Bachelors degree in Animal Science. Gee, I think that makes him a DVM. Yes, he's a veterinarian!
It seems that he knows how to breed horses but can't create a functional school system.
posted on September 24, 2004 05:27:16 AM new
Ya we need four more years of:
The large tax cuts passed by Congress in 2001, 2002 and 2003 were signature items in President Bush's fiscal policy. All provisions of those tax cuts, however, expire by the end of 2010 and some expire earlier. A prominent feature of the president's campaign is to make almost all the tax cuts permanent.
We have analyzed that proposal and reached the following conclusions:
• Making the tax cuts permanent would generate large, backloaded revenue losses over the next 10 years. Combined with a minimal but necessary fix to the government's Alternative Minimum Tax, making the tax cuts permanent would reduce federal revenues by almost $1.8 trillion over 10 years -- and that's in addition to the $1.7 trillion of revenue losses already locked into law. By 2014, the annual revenue loss would amount to $400 billion, or 2 percent of gross domestic product -- almost the size of this year's federal budget deficit.
• Paying for the tax cuts would require monumental reductions in spending or increases in other taxes. To offset the revenue losses in 2014 would require, for example, a 48 percent reduction in Social Security benefits, a 57 percent cut in Medicare benefits, or a 117 percent increase in corporate taxes.
• Over the long run, making the tax cuts permanent would cost as much as repairing the shortfalls in the Social Security and Medicare Hospital Insurance trust funds. Thus, to the extent that Social Security and Medicare are considered major long-term fiscal problems, making the tax cuts permanent should be seen as creating a fiscal problem of equivalent magnitude.
• Making the tax cuts permanent would be regressive; that is, it would confer by far the biggest benefits on high-income taxpayers. After-tax income would increase by more than 6 percent for households in the top 1 percent of the nation's income distribution, 2 percent for households in the middle 60 percent, and only 0.3 percent for households in the bottom 20 percent. The share of the tax cut accruing to high-income taxpayers would exceed their share of federal tax payments today, so their share of the federal tax burden would decline.
The tax cuts will ultimately have to be financed with other tax increases or spending cuts. Once plausible methods of financing the tax cuts are taken into account, more than three-quarters of households are likely to end up worse off than they would have been if the tax cuts had never taken effect.
• Making the tax cuts permanent is likely to reduce long-term economic growth, not increase it. Studies by the Federal Reserve, the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation, as well as our own research, indicate that making the tax cuts permanent would increase the size of the economy slightly and temporarily but would reduce growth in the long term, in part because higher federal deficits will have a negative effect on long-term saving, investment and capital accumulation.
It has often been argued that Congress needs to make the tax cuts permanent to reduce uncertainty for taxpayers. Indeed, the 2001 tax cut represented an explosive increase in the use of temporary and expiring tax provisions, chiefly because the administration gambled that Congress would pass larger annual tax cuts if they were initially temporary and then made permanent at a future date.
But making the tax cuts permanent now would actually increase economic uncertainty. It would increase the nation's underlying fiscal gap -- the difference between projected revenues and spending -- and hence raise uncertainty about how the government will eventually close the gap.
So far we have not discussed another thorny problem facing the president and Congress. This is the Alternative Minimum Tax, a parallel set of tax rules designed to make sure that higher-income taxpayers do not make excessive use of tax breaks. Under the administration's budget, which does not address the long-term AMT problem, 30 million households will face the AMT by 2009, up from 3 million today. Fixing the AMT is necessary to avoid further complexity in the tax code, but it would also raise the cost of making the administration's tax cuts permanent by hundreds of billions of additional dollars.
The 2001 tax cut was a centerpiece of President Bush's electoral campaign in 2000, and much of the 2003 tax cut was a partial acceleration of the 2001 tax cut. Now the administration proposes making these tax cuts permanent.
It is astonishing that, more than four years after the proposal was first made public, the administration has still not released an analysis of the plan's long-term economic effects, or even a statement of how it intends to pay for the tax cuts. Even supporters of the tax cut would presumably like to know the answers to those questions.
William Gale and Peter Orszag are economists at the Brookings Institution, a nonpartisan Washington, D.C., think tank, and codirectors of the Brookings-Urban Institute Tax Policy Center.
posted on September 24, 2004 05:29:34 AM new
Did someone mention flip flopping:
Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent
posted on September 24, 2004 07:51:13 AM new
It is astonishing that, more than four years after the proposal was first made public, the administration has still not released an analysis of the plan's long-term economic effects, or even a statement of how it intends to pay for the tax cuts. Even supporters of the tax cut would presumably like to know the answers to those questions.
posted on September 24, 2004 08:29:10 AM new
BTW, the new polls out show a dead heat again.
The more people learn about Bush and his relationship to the Saudi family and his national guard record, the utter failure in Iraq, and the utter failure to destroy al Qaeda, the more the polls favor Kerry.
Kerry wins in November, and the margin will surprise the pollsters.
posted on September 24, 2004 09:59:22 AM new
I have to agree with Reamond, but I'll let you neo-cons have your day in the sun, because it is about to set very quickly. My guess is Kerry 53 to Bush 46 to Nader 1.
I also know the polls cannot be trusted. I await a neo-con to claim I am only saying this because Bush has been in the lead, which isn't the case. Polls, whether they favor one candidate or another are often inaccurate, and can easily be manipulated by various tactics including polling in a larger or smaller market, polling at a certain time of the day, polling only to people who use LAN lines (a large population of younger voters don't have home phones). \
I know of a polling company that I worked with for 1 day and left because of dishonesty. My old college roommate was a supervisor there and if they couldn't get enough polling done by the deadline, they would have the polling supervisors complete the surveys themselves to boost the numbers. Polls and surveys are worthless whether it is political or commericial. The biggest problem is that Polling organizations often subcontract to smaller companies which can easily manipulate the outcome.
posted on September 25, 2004 04:56:49 PM newAny of you planning on leaving the country?
What is your fascination with telling everyone they should leave the country. If you have a problem with living in the US you are the one that should leave.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 25, 2004 06:01:39 PM newAny of you planning on leaving the country?
That's the typical BIGOT response to anyone who doesn't like the way things are currently. The Blacks should go back to Africa, the Mexicans should go back to Mexico and the list could go on and on.
I remember a German woman who once made a statement about a local branch of government. My coworkers said, "if she doesn't like the ways things are here, then she should go back to Germany where she came from."
I agree with you logan, the people who don't like the changes that are happening should LEAVE. They could buy there own little island and make all the laws to govern themselves, and live happily ever after.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 25, 2004 06:56:57 PM new
Speaking of bigots... here's yeager...
How many celebs said they would leave if President Bush got elected and didn't?
Wonder how many libs will threaten to leave this time...
Logansdad you and yeager seem to be espousing how great other countries are, why don't you move?
As has been pointed out... you won't be getting married anytime soon, unless you move...
posted on September 25, 2004 07:31:11 PM new
After the President wins re-election I'm going to sit back and read all the comments of disbelief that he actually won again.
I'm remembering back to the 2002 elections and how absolutely STUNED the dems here were when the Republicans won all those seats - changing control of Congress. Here they had bit$hed about President Bush stealing the 2000 election for two years and they just knew all those angry dems were going to 'show' the Republicans by winning those seats. Boy...were they shocked.
That's what I expect to happen again when President Bush is re-elected. Then we'll have to listen to everything he does wrong for FOUR MORE YEARS. LOL
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 25, 2004 09:12:01 PM new
After Bush is re-elected I expect that the shocked illiberals will act like angry sports fans when their team doesn't win the playoff. They will riot in the streets, burning cars, smashing windows and then looting will ensue.
posted on September 25, 2004 10:13:26 PM new
Ironically it looks like I am leaving the country shortly after inauguration..... but I'm going no matter who wins.
Yellow - I assume you are not a big sports fan... it's usually the fans of the winning teams that act like that.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 25, 2004 10:26:28 PM new
Only linda could laugh about," Then we'll have to listen to everything he does wrong for FOUR MORE YEARS. LOL "
I bet every time she reads of more deaths in Iraq she LOLs all over the place. Yup, bush's mistakes are just hilarious...........
posted on September 26, 2004 07:55:54 AM new
That I am Twelve. Gotta deal with some family obligations, find a good fulfillment company and finish selling off my worldly belongings ( I considered doing one of those... "Here's is my life, bid please" auctions" but changed my mind) and I am finally heading down south.
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posted on September 26, 2004 12:48:44 PM new
LOL! I'm going down in January to look at rental properties. I'll have to make sure I find one with plenty of guest rooms.
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posted on September 26, 2004 07:23:39 PM new
Profe - Jalisco. I'm looking at in or around Guadalajara. I figured no touristy places but someplace large with a good airport. I considered DF but decided I wanted to breath, then considered Monterrey but I'm just not into snow anytime soon so I figure I'll set up base in Guadalajara and then explore the country more and see if there is an area I enjoy more later down the road. I plan on doing a lot of exploring!!.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
Prevent Bigotry through Education.
Especially all those World Leaders praising him for his part in it. So many of the liberals at that time would not even admit there were communists, let alone admit they were a threat to our country....some here still won't think they were.
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 23, 2004 11:36 PM ]