posted on October 5, 2004 10:44:46 PM
Sounds to me that if Kerry/Edwards is elected they will stand behind the states and their decisions on the issue...
Edwards was not as poised as Kerry was... VP got to him a few times...
posted on October 5, 2004 11:25:47 PM
I thought that was a strange statement as well Twelve. Don't they recoginize another states marriage every time they accept a joint state tax return from a couple that married out of state?
To be quite honest, I thought that Cheney did very well tonight. I expected much more from Edwards and was disappointed by his performace. On the other hand, I expected little of Cheney and walked away feeling that he clearly came away on top of the exchange.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on October 6, 2004 03:09:12 AM
Fenix, thats funny because although I thought Cheney had his answers; I thought Edwards did very well and was right there with his come backs as well. The only thing Cheney got him on was his not being around for votes much. But he made his points with 5 million americans without healthcare and republicans votes against programs such as meals on wheels, etc. (I had not previously been aware of that.)
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posted on October 6, 2004 08:36:50 AMNo state is required to recognize any other states marriage
The reason why he can say this is because the issue has never really been addressed by the courts.
But the USSC has ruled that marriage is a fundemental right, and refusing to recognize a legal same sex marriage from another state is an impairment of contract.
There is no way that the USSC can allow states to not reconize same sex marriages without causing chaos.
posted on October 6, 2004 04:58:37 PM
reamond he is either a liar or a moron... I tend to think both... but you can take your pick... He is a lawyer, don't you think he should of known better?
Wonder how long before it a case gets to the USSC? betting when it does they send it back to the state...
Why do you say that logansdad? or you just being your typical moronic self?
posted on October 6, 2004 05:33:56 PM
twinkle (twelve) toes,
You forgot you mention when Cheney said to Edwards, "Thank you for you comments about my family".
This of course when Edwards was asked about the Gay Marriage issue and started talking about Cheney's daughter and the family love towards her. Edwards sited that all Gay Americans who are involved in long term relationships should be granted many on the same rights as married couples.
On Cheney's 90 second rebuttal he said, "Thank you for you comments about my family".
The moderator asked, is that all? He replied, yes, that's all. A very clear message in favor of Gay Rights without saying much at all.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 6, 2004 07:27:39 PM
twinkle (twelve) toes says,
No state is required to recognize any other states marriage
It's funny how you take this and run like the wind with it. Consider this.
I have sister who was married here in Michigan to a guy in the Marines. He was a 20 year career man that was transfered to many different bases here in the US. These include if my memory serves me correctly in this order. Colorado, New York, Mississippi, then back to Michigan. They then were sent to England. He is now retired from the service. They are and have always been married.
What's your take on that? Were they not legally married when he was transferred to the other states? How in you "brilliant" mind does that work?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 6, 2004 07:29:39 PM
Oh, one more thing. My parents were married in Indiana. They live here in Michigan. How does that work? Clue me in on that if you would.
I also know a straight couple that were married in Ontario, Canada. There are also recognized as a legal couple here.
Canada. See how that is spelled Bear?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 6, 2004 07:38:01 PMIt is like the old drinking laws... used to each state had its own age limit... no state was required to allow a person to drink...
Drinking laws are in no way relevant to this issue. There is nothing contractual about drinking laws.
The reason Edwards can say that states are not "required" to recognize marriages from other states is because the issue has never really been addressby the USSC.
posted on October 6, 2004 08:03:00 PM
Once again the left wants to make a simple issue into a complex one, because as the saying goes they can't dazzle anyone with brilliance, so must baffle them with BS...
Once hr 3313 passes the senate and is signed by the president... USSC will not be hearing any cases on this issue...
Guess in actuality homosexuals didn't want the states to decide after all...
Being a lawyer, wouldn't you think Edwards would of been intelligent enough to know that before spouting his BS?
This is going to drag out for years and years... states are going to ban, homos are going to sue, courts will decide, the loser will appeal... courts will decide, loser will appeal... on and on...
But you know what... they still won't be allowed to get married until it is settled one way or the other...
posted on October 6, 2004 08:10:26 PM
Cheney, whose daughter Mary is a lesbian, said he believed “it’s really no one’s business” what relations people enter into. Cheney acknowledged that he and Bush did not see eye-to-eye on same-sex relationships but said, “He sets policy for this administration, and I support the president.”
Edwards complimented Cheney for standing by his daughter and said he and Kerry agreed that marriage was between a man and a woman. But he said the difficulties gay couples faced had been politicized and that same-sex couples should be allowed to enjoy government and employment benefits like married couples.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 6, 2004 08:11:39 PMOnce hr 3313 passes the senate and is signed by the president... USSC will not be hearing any cases on this issue...
The "law" would first have to be declared constitutional by the USSC for your wishes to happen.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 6, 2004 08:14:11 PM
I don't see how it wouldn't be, it is not usurping the federal government, it is letting the states make their laws... if a state decides not to allow homosexual marriage, that is the end of it... which is the way it should be.
posted on October 7, 2004 05:55:22 AM
Just as soon as the people get their vote and if they choose to allow homosexual marriage... then yes.
I suspect they won't though...
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