posted on October 6, 2004 11:34:27 AM new
ANOTHER REPORT THAT EXPOSE BUSH/CHENEY TO BE THE LIARS THEY ARE. WITH OVER 1050 DEAD AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ ALONE AND OVER 7,000 WOUNDED. LAST NIGHT AT THE BEBATE AND TODAY BUSH/CHENEY CONTINUAL TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS NEW REPORT WAS POSTED ON AOL TODAY.
updated 01:19 PM EDT
Report Undercuts Bush's Rationale for Iraq War
Inspector Says Saddam Wasn't Pursuing Weapons of Mass Destruction
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, AP
Duelfer headed the Iraq Survey Group.
WASHINGTON (Oct. 6) -- Undercutting the Bush's administration's rationale for invading Iraq, the final report of the chief U.S. arms inspector concludes that Saddam Hussein did not vigorously pursue a program to develop weapons of mass destruction after international inspectors left Baghdad in 1998, according to lawmakers and others briefed on the report.
In drafts, weapons hunter Charles Duelfer concluded that Saddam's Iraq had no stockpiles of the banned weapons but said he found signs of idle programs that Saddam could have revived if international attention had waned.
''It appears that he did not vigorously pursue those programs after the inspectors left,'' the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity in advance of the report's release.
Duelfer was providing his findings Wednesday to the Senate Armed Services Committee. His team compiled a 1,500-page report after his predecessor, David Kay, who quit last December, also found no evidence of weapons stockpiles.
Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., briefed on the report earlier Wednesday, said Duelfer found Iraq's capability to produce and develop weapons of mass destruction had degraded since 1998.
The report was ''inconclusive'' about what ultimately happened to Saddam's supposed weapons stockpiles from earlier in the 1990s, which might have been destroyed or transferred to Syria, said Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Pointing to apparent prewar confusion inside the country itself, the report suggests that Saddam's senior advisers, and perhaps Saddam himself, actually believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even when it did not, Roberts said.
A Democratic senator briefed on the report, Dick Durbin of Illinois, said the Bush administration, in justifying war, ''created a worse-case scenario on virtually no evidence.''
''There were no weapons of mass destruction,'' Durbin said. ''At most, there was an intention or desire to create them.''
The White House continued to maintain that the findings support the view that Saddam was a threat.
''We knew the dictator had a history of using weapons of mass destruction, a long record of aggression and hatred for America,'' President Bush said in a speech Wednesday in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. ''There was a risk, a real risk, that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons or materials or information to terrorist networks. In the world after Sept. 11, that was a risk we could not afford to take.''
Saddam was importing banned materials, working on unmanned aerial vehicles in violation of U.N. agreements and maintaining industrial capability that could be converted to produce weapons, officials have said. Duelfer also describes Saddam's Iraq as having had limited research efforts into chemical and biological weapons.
Duelfer's report will come on a week that the White House has been put on the defensive in a number of Iraq issues.
Remarks this week by L. Paul Bremer, former U.S. administrator in occupied Iraq, suggested he argued for more troops in the immediate aftermath of the invasion, when looting was rampant. A spokesman for Bush's re-election campaign said Bremer indeed differed with military commanders.
Bush's election rival, Democrat John Kerry, pounced on Bremer's statements that the United States ''paid a big price'' for having insufficient troop levels. On weapons, however, the Massachusetts senator has said he still would have voted to authorize the invasion even if he had known none would be found.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the Duelfer report ''will continue to show that he was a gathering threat that needed to be taken seriously, that it was a matter of time before he was going to begin pursuing those weapons of mass destruction.''
Compare that to the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002, 6 1/2 months before the invasion:
''Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction,'' Cheney said then. ''There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies and against us.''
On Wednesday, the White House also continued to assert that there were clear ties between Saddam before the invasion and the al-Qaida linked terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. But a CIA report recently given to the White House found no conclusive evidence that Saddam harbored al-Zarqawi before the war, two U.S. government officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity
They stressed, though, that the report did not make a final conclusion and the question of the al-Zaraqwi-Saddam ties is still being pursued. One of the officials said it is clear that al-Zarqawi had been planning terrorist attacks while operating out of Baghdad.
The CIA report was first revealed by Knight-Ridder.
During Tuesday night's debate, Cheney said ''there is still debate over this question.'' But he added: ''At one point, some of Zarqawi's people were arrested. Saddam personally intervened to have them released.''
In a speech on Oct. 7, 2002, Bush laid out what he described then as Iraq's threat:
-- ''It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.''
-- ''We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.''
-- ''Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles - far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and other nations - in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work. ''
posted on October 6, 2004 01:10:30 PM new
Saddam himself was a weapon of mass destriction. Caused the deaths of tens of thousands of Kurds by gassing them.
"Intelligence is not magic. It appears every intelligence agency on earth believed in the existence of the Iraqi stockpile because the Iraqis themselves believed they had it. We know Iraqi commanders in the field during the war thought their buddies to the left and to the right of them had chemical weapons at the ready even though they did not. How on earth could an intelligence agency know more about the state of weapons programs in Iraq than Saddam Hussein himself? A regime this crazy, sitting on a cash-machine of oil, was itself a potential weapon of mass destruction. Who knows what it might have done in the coming decade? That's why [weapons inspection chief David] Kay himself says that his discoveries make him think Saddam may actually have been more dangerous than he thought. It's just as clear this week as it was nine months ago that America and its 33 allies did themselves, the Iraqi people and the world an immense service by extracting this terrifying abscess." --John Podhoretz
"To be sure, inspectors in Iraq haven't found the weapons of mass destruction...President Bush and Vice President Cheney warned against. This comes as a shock to us all, including Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Ted Kennedy, Jacques Chirac, Al Gore, German intelligence, Bob Graham, the United Nations, Madeleine Albright, Hans Blix, even John Kerry -- just some of the subscribers to the old Saddam-equals-WMD theory that inspired former President Clinton to warn against 'the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program' six years ago." --Diana West
"Clinton said all the same things about Iraq that Bush did --that Saddam had WMDs, that he would use them, that he was a threat, etc. But he didn't do anything about it because he couldn't get French and Russian support for taking any action. Under Clinton, the inspections had ended, and the sanctions would eventually have ended too --because that's what the French wanted." --Rich Lowry
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We
want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal
here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
since 1983."
- Sandy B erger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle,
John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Cl inton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others,
December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do"
Rep. - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
members
.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Sad dam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 6, 2004 01:32:49 PM new
Bear, the problem is that Bush/Cheney are still telling the same old lies about the Iraq war. THEY CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH ABOUT THEMSELVES OR THEIR FAILED LEADERSHIP. Bush/Cheney have no creditably left in America or the World.
posted on October 6, 2004 01:34:31 PM new
And add to that the question of why the liberals don't hold saddam accountable for his part in this war. Instead they continue to slam the President of their own country...even though clinton agreed that saddam and Iraq were a threat and had womd.
There were numerous UN resolutions and saddam could have proved he no longer had womd...anytime in that 13 year period. HE chose not to...wrong choice with President Bush in power.
The liberals have been willing to overlook saddam's lack of complying with all the UN resolutions too. The UN...a group who they think we need to gain permission from to defend our Nation can't even enforce any of the resolutions they pass. They have NO power to do anything except talk - and their talking for 13 years got us absolutely nowhere. They are worthless except for their humanitarian work...and even with that, with the Oil-For-Food Program all they've done is prove how they can be bought and their 'watchful eye' didn't do much to help the Iraqi's anyway.
saddam still remained a threat...and even after 9-11 the liberals are still denying the treat their own party said he presented. Unbelievable to me. Then they say 'we' lied. Whose side are they really on?
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 6, 2004 02:10:48 PM newSaddam still remained a threat...and even after 9-11 the liberals are still denying the treat their own party said he presented. Unbelievable to me. Then they say 'we' lied. Whose side are they really on?
Just like the Republicans to claim anyone who opposes Bush is for the enemy. Why do the Republicans religiously follow Bush down a path of destruction even after he has lied about the ties between Iraq and 9/11, after he has lied to the American people and the global community about Iraq's WMD and how the war in Iraq is currently going.
I suppose if George Bush said "Jump off a cliff with me" all the Republican would blindly jump with him.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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[ edited by logansdad on Oct 6, 2004 07:41 PM ]
posted on October 6, 2004 03:11:04 PM newJust like the Republicans to came anyone who opposes Bush is for the enemy.
Just like the ultra-left to claim our President is either a Nazi, an evil person, or a danger like the terrorist.
Why do the Republicans religiously follow Bush down a path of destruction even after he has lied about the ties between Iraq and 9/11, after he has lied to the American people and the global community about Iraq's WMD and how the war in Iraq is currently going.
Because I don't agree with anything you posted above. I think having a President who has a backbone to take on those who wish to destroy our Nation and those who wish to keep the Iraqi people from forming their own government, makes us very fortunate indeed.
I suppose if George Bush said "Jump off a cliff with me" all the Republican would blindly jump with him.
Nope, it's just that the Republicans can easily tell who our enemy is and who it's not. The far left don't appear to be capable of that - they see this President as the enemy and many have stated so. Our enemy has NEVER been a President of the US, especially when we're comparing saddam to President Bush.
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Re-elect President Bush
posted on October 6, 2004 03:26:55 PM newBush/Cheney have no creditably left in America or the World.
As opposed to the lying traitor, self admitted war criminal kerry, who has accomplished nothing in 20 years in the senate. The same kerry that was so unremarkable a lawyer / prosecutor, the only job he could get was to fool the people of Mass who elected him Lt Gov. The same kerry whose own grade average at Yale was so low that he couldn't get into Yale or Harvard or any other "name" law school and had to settle for a second rate law school.
I'll still go with Pres Bush.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 6, 2004 03:42:20 PM new
So true bear....
and another thing that enables me to know we weren't lied to is that the clinton administration and their intelligence told us the same exact things about saddam. So it's not like there was NO threat UNTIL President Bush made one up.
We had absolutely no way of knowing, had we not gone in to Iraq, that we wouldn't be facing another circumstance just like 9-11.
It well could be because clinton did little to deal with the terrorists or their training camps in Afghanistan BEFORE we were hit on 9-11. Only with 20/20 hindsight can we discuss why we've only found a little womd...and not the quanities we all [both dem and rep administrations] thought he had, rather than just small amounts. But there is NO proof he didn't pass them off to another country like Syria or Iran. NO proof. So no true conclusion can really be drawn that we were lied to.
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Re-elect President Bush
posted on October 6, 2004 03:56:59 PM new
Bear, You are incorrect about the status of the law school attended by John Kerry.
Boston College Law School was founded in 1929. It is located in Newton, Massachusetts. It has approximately 800 enrollees.
Boston College Law School is among the top six law schools in the country in the number of applications it receives, and has an overall applicant-to-acceptance ratio that is among the most selective in the nation.
posted on October 6, 2004 04:11:26 PM new
Yes, bear....you just KNOW no one EVER takes a topic off subject except you. And it does appear helen wants the job of hall monitor after all.
Remember helen....'do as I say, not as I do' really is something you must identify with all the time.
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Re-elect President Bush
posted on October 6, 2004 04:15:37 PM new
And IF President Bush supposedly lied.....then so did the candidate you support bigpeepa, helen and logansdad...and all the other lefties here.
"Without question, we need to disarm Sad dam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 6, 2004 04:26:36 PM new
We've been over this territory before, linda soooo many times. Bush mishandled this war and there is no excuse whatsoever. The Bush administration misled the American people about this war and preemtively invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 terrorism.
Maybe you can find one of those two or three people that you respect to argue that point with you. I'd rather do something else and I suspect they would also.
posted on October 6, 2004 04:53:47 PM new
No need to get your panties in a bunch, helen. Just point out to YOU that you do it too.
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We weren't lied to. This President as did the clinton administration went on what our intelligence agencies were telling us. Then making their own decisions on what to do.
Sure with 20/20 hindsight anything's easier to access. But right after 9-11 and before we went into Iraq we didn't have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight.
And I'd sure like to see anyone say the world isn't better off without saddam being the leader in Iraq. It's good he's been removed.
But look at the situation the way it was being presented to this President by Tenent....who served BOTH this and the clinton administration.
Read what they were basing the advisories to the President....BEFORE we went into Iraq.
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Re-elect President Bush
And helen you twisted another statement around -
about this war and preemtively invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 terrorism. saddam's regime DID have something to do with terrorism. He paid the bombers families $25,000 each time they decide to be a human bomb to kill other people.
saddam used womd on his own people, more than once. And know AQ member did have meetings with his people.
But you like to deceive and through 9-11 into the mix. This administration believed saddam was a SEPARATE threat and anyone reading Condi Rice's words in 2002 will read that. She wasn't claiming saddam was tied into 9-11 they were claiming saddam was a threat all by himself....and that he was aiding terrorists.
It's clear to me...don't understand why supposedly smart dems can't get that concept.
Guess it's because they don't want to...it's not politically to their advantage to do so.
Here's a direct quote from Condi Rice in 2002:
"We clearly know that there were in the past and have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al-Qaida going back for actually quite a long time,'' Ms. Rice said. "We know too that several of the (al-Qaida) detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al-Qaida in chemical weapons development.''
Previously, the widely held view has been that while Saddam and bin Laden both oppose the United States, their motivations are too different for them to work together. Saddam seeks secular power; bin Laden's drive comes from religious motivations and his opposition to the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia and the Arab world.
But Ms. Rice said, "There clearly are contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here.'' She suggested that details of the contacts will be released later.
Previously, U.S. intelligence officials have said that some al-Qaida members have been detected in Iraq, but that they appeared to simply be crossing the country after fleeing Afghanistan for their native countries on the Arabian peninsula or in North Africa. U.S. intelligence has also received information that some al-Qaida leaders are hiding in Iran, and the U.S. government is looking into reports that al-Qaida operatives are conducting training just over the Iranian border from Afghanistan.
Ms. Rice said that much of the information is coming from al-Qaida operatives captured since the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. This includes several senior leaders whom the U.S. alleges organized terrorist attacks.
HERE HELEN:
"No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on September 11, so we don't want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clearer, and we're learning more,'' Ms. Rice said.
"And there are some al-Qaida personnel who found refuge in Baghdad,'' Ms. Rice said.
posted on October 6, 2004 05:21:05 PM new
twinkle (twelve) toes,
Is homosexuality all that you have on your mind?
Please don't respond that I start threads about gays, because I don't. I start threads about the equal rights for them. And I have no emotional makeup in my personality to make fun of them either, like you do. Get some professional help so you can understand why you need to do this.
The only two main reasons a person will seek the help of a mental health profession is that something is bothering them and they don't know how to deal with it. Or they have a problem and can't identify why they are having it. You fall within those parameters.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 6, 2004 05:28:15 PM new
HEY,HEY,HO,HO,LOL. We can all watch bear and yellowtoes jump over or more like tip over George and Dick. Trying to defend their lying failed leaders. HEY,HEY,HO,HO,LOL.
MEANWHILE GEORGE AND DICK GO ON LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVERYDAY.
New campaign song for George and Dick should be "ITS A HARD DAY ITS NIGHT AND I'VE HAVE BEEN WORKING LIKE A DOG". or ITS A HARD DAY ITS NIGHT AND I'VE BEEN LYING LIKE A DOG. HEY,HEY,HO,HO.
posted on October 6, 2004 05:58:59 PM new
Linda: This administration believed Saddam was a SEPARATE threat and anyone reading Condi Rice's words in 2002 will read that.
If you go back to February of 2001, both Powell and Rice said Saddam was NOT a threat. This was before 9/11 and before the mention of any war.
Furthermore Bush lied or misrepresented the intelligence data he received when he presented his reasons before Congress for going to war with Iraq. So your claim that Congress had the same information that Bush had is false. Bush exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam and his WMD capabilities.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on October 6, 2004 06:14:01 PM newBecause I don't agree with anything you posted above. I think having a President who has a backbone to take on those who wish to destroy our Nation and those who wish to keep the Iraqi people from forming their own government, makes us very fortunate indeed.
You are forgetting one thing Linda, it was not Saddam who was threatening to destroy our nation as you claim, it was Bin Laden. Bush has not said a word about bin Laden. His focus has always been IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ.
....what does "keeping the Iraqi people from forming their own government"..have to do with 9/11?
Nothing. The people of Iraq had their own "government" before the war. Just because you and Bush did not like the person in charge does not give Bush the right to attack another nation because of the way their leader is running the government.
If you want a President with a backbone, Bush would need to step up to the plate and tell the people of the US and the rest of the world that he used poor judgement in going to war with Iraq. TO ADMIT HE MADE A MISTAKE.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 6, 2004 07:14:49 PM new
twinkle toes,
LOL yeager, you won't even look in the mirror and talk to the bigot staring back...
Really, now. How is that post bigoted in any way. You were the first one to mention homosexuality in this thread. I simply asked you is that all you have on your mind.
So, I take it that you are agreeing with what I say about you needing some professional help?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 6, 2004 07:27:09 PM new
I guess we shouldn't be too surprised at the lies of Bush and Cheney. You can never trust a military deserter like Bush.
This is Iraq business the Gulf f Tonken all over again.
Kerry isn't perfect but he is far and away better than the criminals now in the White House.
can't even enforce any of the resolutions they pass. They have NO power to do anything except talk - and their talking for 13 years got us absolutely nowhere. They are worthless except for their humanitarian work...and even with that, with the Oil-For-Food Program all they've done is prove how they can be bought and their 'watchful eye' didn't do much to help the Iraqi's anyway.
[ edited by logansdad on Oct 6, 2004 07:41 PM ]
And it does appear helen wants the job of hall monitor after all.
Prevent Bigotry through Education.