posted on October 10, 2004 08:39:17 PM new
California's constitution permits laws against gay marriage, the state's attorney general declared Friday in a long-awaited legal opinion that sought to avoid offending either side of the debate.
posted on October 11, 2004 05:22:41 AM new
Oh I see people can't have a say unless it agrees with you kraft? As I have said before let them all move to Canada...
Good news is good news...
I notice you didn't comment when logansdad posted about the La admendment being thrown out by a judge.
Which will be overturned by a higher court... or the good people will be allowed to vote again...
People of the US are having their say... and guess what it is telling homosexuals... they are not getting married...
Now I can hardly wait for yeager and logansdad for their moronic statements... come on boys post your inane diatribes....
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
[ edited by Twelvepole on Oct 11, 2004 05:28 AM ]
posted on October 11, 2004 06:54:40 AM new
twelve says,
Now I can hardly wait for yeager and logansdad for their moronic statements... come on boys post your inane diatribes...
Well, here is my post!
Today is October 11th, that means it's National Coming Out Day. So today's the day you should stop being a homophobe, and just open the door and come out of the closet.
You don't have to bust the closet door down, just open it and walk out. OK?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 11, 2004 07:16:37 AM new
I agree, Yeager.
It's only sex, twelvepole. In the total scheme of things not very important and if enjoyed between consenting adults not harmful in any way. Rather than focusing and wasting so much time and energy in the consideration of this topic, why don't you just stop and use your time to find someone to share your joy whether it's homosexual or not.
posted on October 11, 2004 07:24:08 AM new
Poor twelve, that reading comprehension is on a level with bush's.
twelve says,"Oh I see people can't have a say unless it agrees with you kraft?"
WHERE twelve, did Kraft say or imply in any way that she didn't think you should have a say ?
Answer: she didn't.
Your hatred of just about everything is just boiling to the top and you're just looking for a fight.
You say,"People of the US are having their say.."
This is a bold faced LIE.......SOME people, get it it twelvsey, SOME people are having their say.
Only the neo-nazi-cons could be happy that some Americans are denied equal rights.....
posted on October 11, 2004 07:24:39 AM new
And of course, it has nothing to do with "love" or "consenting adults". I don't care if somebody wants to screw his Doberman. But employers and the public should not be forced to pay benefits and "puppy leave" for what is essentially a politically correct illness.
posted on October 11, 2004 07:27:43 AM new
October 3, 1980 - US Representative Robert Bauman (R-MD) was arrested in Washington DC for soliciting sex from a male prostitute. Bauman was a supporter of the Moral Majority and a founding member of the American Conservative Union. Wow! Another republican BIGOT!
October 3, 1997 - Paul Bradford Cain, a 26 year-old champion kickboxer, was sentenced to 25 years to life for the murder of gay scientist Dr Stanley Keith Runcorn. In a statement before his sentencing, Cain claimed he was the true victim because Runcorn made a pass at him. The judge disagreed, saying to Cain "I hope you rot in hell because what you did was callous and cruel."
October 4, 1983 - AFL-CIO voted to support gay rights legislation.
October 5, 1987 - The city commission of Traverse City Michigan voted unanimously to repeal a law banning the sale of condoms in city limits.
October 5, 1998 - The US Congress killed an amendment by Rep Frank Riggs (R-CA) which would have barred San Francisco from spending federal housing money to implement its domestic partner ordinance.
October 7, 1993 - The AFL-CIO unanimously approved a resolution to actively oppose attempts to repeal gay rights laws. The vote was held at the labor union's biennial convention in San Francisco.
October 7, 1996 - 250 students in Elizabethtown Pennsylvania walked out of class to protest the school board's passage of a "pro-family" resolution which banned positive discussion of homosexuality.
October 8, 1974 - The National Gay Task Force organized a protest over the airing of an episode of "Marcus Welby M.D." in which a gay man is portrayed as a rapist who preys on the junior high school students he teaches. Bayer Aspirin, Listerine, Gallo Wine, and Ralston Purina pulled their advertising from the episode.
October 8, 1997 - An episode of "Ellen" titled "Roommates" aired. It was given an adult content warning because of a kiss between Ellen and another woman.
Twelve, do you like Ellen? I do. I'm watching her right now on chanell 4, Detroit.
October 9, 1993 - Evangelist Billy Graham apologized for saying AIDS may be a judgment of God for sin. The remark was made during a sermon in Columbus Ohio. "I don't believe that, and I don't know why I said it."
October 9, 1993 - Episcopal bishop E. Otis Charles, 67, who had been bishop of Utah from 1971-1986, publicly came out.
October 11, 1987 - The second march on Washington drew 1/2 million people. The NAMES project AIDS quilt was displayed with 1,920 panels. Rev Jesse Jackson addressed the crowd, calling for AIDS funding, civil rights protection, and an end to anti-gay violence.
October 11, 1988 - The first National Coming Out Day was celebrated.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 11, 2004 07:59:51 AM new
I think we spend an exorbitant amount of time in this country worrying about what other people are doing and not enough time worrying about what we ourselves are doing especially when it comes to petty issues like this one. We spend far too much time trying to push our values onto others. Could be said about what we try to do to the rest of the world. It's called arrogance.
Twelve, police thyself.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on October 11, 2004 08:25:53 AM new
Twelve, today is your day to come out of the closet.
Today is 18th Annual National Coming out Day.
It is time for you to quit being embarrassed by your sexuality.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 11, 2004 08:44:43 AM new
..."employers and the public should not be forced to pay benefits and "puppy leave" for what is essentially a politically correct illness."
What an ignorant idea that sex is an illness or that employees should receive benefits based on their sexual orientation. All citizens of this country no matter what their sexual orientation deserve all rights enjoyed by heterosexuals. There is a constant struggle for equality in our country and this one like racial and gender equality will be a tough one...especially if the Bush administration has another four destructive years.
posted on October 11, 2004 08:56:04 AM new
Glad to hear it twelve. The CA voters have already expressed their wishes, no gay marriages. Now this further supports that law.
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It is otherwise just an opinion that the CA Supreme Court can render useless. An opinion that fully supports what the CA voters voted against....gay marriage.
And it will most likely take another two years before a decision is handed down by the CA S.C. Much can happen in that time frame.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 11, 2004 09:37:05 AM new
Since other old quotes are being posted....here's another one:
[taken from the Leadership Inst.]
Michael Swift
homosexual activist
Gay Community News, February 15, 1987:
"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, youth groups, movie-theatre bathrooms; wherever men are men together. Your sons will become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us."
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Re-elect President Bush
[edited to correct source]
[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 11, 2004 09:55 AM ]
posted on October 11, 2004 09:48:12 AM new
Always good to see the happy, non-bitter, non hate-filled linda......spreading more hate and intolerance.
I think she does a very good job for the Republicans and neonazicons who expound a communist-like attitude that everyone must be, think, feel, and believe the same.
What a tiny little life she must have, her and "twelve", with nothing better to do than to hope to make others unhappy.
posted on October 11, 2004 09:48:57 AM newWe shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, youth groups, movie-theatre bathrooms; wherever men are men together. Your sons will become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us."
Wasn't that quote said a bible thumber convention down in the South last year?
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 11, 2004 09:55:09 AM new
PRESIDENT BUSH ANNOUNCES RELIGIOUS AGENDA ON INAUGURATION DAY
Saturday January 20, 2001
BUSH PRESENTS HIMSELF AS 'DETERMINED FOE OF CHURCH-STATE SEPARATION,' SAYS AU
George W. Bush, sworn in today as the nation's 43rd president, announced a religious agenda in his inaugural address, including an emphasis on using houses of worship for providing publicly financed social services.
Just moments after being sworn in as president, Bush used a speech laced with religious rhetoric to explain the role religion will play in his administration.
"[S]ome needs and hurts are so deep they will only respond to a mentor's touch or a pastor's prayer," Bush said. "Church and charity, synagogue and mosque, lend our communities their humanity, and they will have an honored place in our plans and laws."
The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, expressed concern about Bush's comments.
"Bush apparently believes he was elected national preacher as well as president," Lynn said. "The newly elected president presented himself today as a determined foe of church-state separation. The Constitution he swore to uphold simply does not permit the president to merge religion and government.
"Churches and other houses of worship play a cherished role in our society, but they do not have a role in our secular laws," Lynn added. "Bush's remarks showed a gross insensitivity to the constitutional principle of government neutrality on religion."
Bush also used his inaugural address to emphasize his plans for education, remarking, "Together, we will reclaim America's schools, before ignorance and apathy claim more young lives." News agencies were reporting today that Bush will unveil an education plan on Tuesday that will feature vouchers for religious and other private schools.
"Far too much of Bush's agenda calls for a unity between church and state," noted AU's Lynn. "To protect the religious liberties of all Americans, his plans must be rejected by Congress."
In one of his first acts as the nation's chief executive, Bush issued a proclamation ordering today as a "national day of prayer." Bush, in the proclamation, called "upon the citizens of our Nation to gather together in homes and places of worship to pray alone and together and offer thanksgiving to God for all the blessings of this great and good land." He added, "I ask Americans to bow our heads in humility before our Heavenly Father, a God who calls us not to judge our neighbors, but to love them, to ask His guidance upon our Nation and its leaders in every level of government."
Ironically, Bush quoted Thomas Jefferson both in his inaugural address and his day of prayer proclamation. Jefferson, a staunch advocate of church-state separation, never issued a prayer proclamation in order to preserve government neutrality on religious matters.
"Bush would have been wise to follow Jefferson's example and allow Americans to make up their own minds about how and when to pray," said AU's Lynn. "It would have gotten the Bush presidency off to a much better start.
"The Bush Administration is only a few hours old and it already has signaled remarkable hostility for church-state separation," concluded Lynn. "Anyone concerned with this nation's religious liberties should realize that the next four years will be awfully busy."
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization represents 60,000 members and allied houses of worship in all 50 states.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 11, 2004 03:10:58 PM new
Good post logan,
The Reverend Barry Lynn is concerned about everybody's choice to a religion that is non sponsored or held in check by the government.
Bush is such a brazen bible thumper that people need to wake up. There is NO correct religion and everyone should make that clear to the government officials. Since Bush took office, I find our country slipping slowly in a near dictatorship in many areas. Civil liberties are on the way out with Bush.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 11, 2004 05:55:30 PM new
Does that mean you are coming out yeager? You seem to be hung up on this...
However to me this is Columbus day...
I am very well aware of my sexuality and if like helen says it is only sex, then they don't need to be married to do it now do they...
Also it is a deviant lifestyle that they chose...
I do feel as desquirrel... if logansdad wants to mount yeager or his son in is own home, that is his business, don't ask to make it legitimate in the greater society...
And crowfart if as many people that are against homosexual marriage voted democratice... that lying traitor would win by a landslide... however it is not the case.
posted on October 11, 2004 07:44:29 PM new
Twelve,
Why don't you just admit that you are an Ex-gay and are having trouble dealing with the "straight lifestyle".
Hey,
I am going to write my congressmen to outlaw interracial marriages between Caucasians and Asians. Then that will take care of your little problem.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 12, 2004 05:18:47 AM new
Never have been a queer logansdad, but if you will start going ot NARTH to get help, sure you can think of me that way...
I would like to see you or yeager get the help you both so desperately need... if you need some fanatsy to carry that out... then so be it.
posted on October 12, 2004 05:38:26 PM new
twelve,
A couple of weeks ago in the tabloid, The World Weekly News, it said that gays are going to take over the world. The story said it would first take over the US water supply to introduce a gay chemical into it so everybody will turn gay. Then take over the US military and then other countries. This will allow them to put the gay chemical into the water supplies of these countries. Finally, then take over the economic system of the world.
I believe it, don't you? Play it safe and don't drink the water.
Logan,
Maybe you are right on him being an ex gay and having trouble dealing with it. So much for his conversion therapy.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 12, 2004 05:47:16 PM new
twelve,
You should have also observed National Coming Out Day, and participated in it. It's sort of a national holiday for Gays and Lesbians. If you missed it this year, there is always next year.
Just think of all the Gay postal workers that got the day off at your expense.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 12, 2004 06:09:55 PM newJust think of all the Gay postal workers that got the day off at your expense.
If the Postal System was full of gays it would be in a lot better shape and we would have a lot more decorative stamps and packaging materials.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 12, 2004 06:29:58 PM newIf the Postal System was full of gays it would be in a lot better shape and we would have a lot more decorative stamps and packaging materials.
Just for that reason, in my bolding, I am glad that there aren't more of them in the postal system. There you go logans thinking that homo's do things better than anyone else. I bet you wish that the whole world would go homo. You/they would have flowery decorations all over everything like gas pumps, cash registers, road signs, etc. The list would be endless and when someone goes to the hardware store and asks for a screw, that's exactly what they'd get.
posted on October 12, 2004 06:39:40 PM new
logansdad - On your mention of President Bush and the National Day of Prayer....might just want to enlighten yourself on it's history. He's NOT alone.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Since you know about the site religious tolerance.org, then you should visit that site more often and LEARN something about other ways of thinking than yours. You will be better off from it, and you will grow and mature .
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
On that site, you can find where Bush says this about Wicca, one of the world's oldest religions.
I don't think witchcraft is a religion. I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made." G.W. Bush (R), as Governor of Texas. Interviewed on ABC's Good Morning America, 1999-JUN-24. He disapproved of Wiccan soldiers being given the same religious rights as others in the military.
Bush a true bigot!
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on October 12, 2004 07:21:19 PM new
I am sure all the religious bigots here would approve of what happened to Matthew Shepard
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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[ edited by logansdad on Oct 12, 2004 07:25 PM ]
Prevent Bigotry through Education.