posted on October 11, 2004 04:28:10 PM new JFK DEMO-LITION DERBY
"As best I could make out, John Kerry proposed to better wage this 'wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place.'
He would do it by forging a broader and effective 'coalition of the bribed, the coerced, the bought and extorted.'
The senator would have removed the threat of Saddam Hussein without removing Saddam Hussein, who represented no real threat.
When he wasn't demanding the troops be brought home from Iraq, Mr. Kerry was urging more of them be sent. Our troops, who are engaged in a 'colossal error' and 'a grand diversion,' are not fighting in vain.
Out on the campaign trail, the senator may believe this administration 'has lied to us, they have misled us,' but he has never accused his opponent of lying. It was only when one listened to the senator's words closely that questions arose.
If you just drifted along with him, it all sounded good enough for government work. Besides, he's a lot taller than the president."
--Paul Greenberg
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taken from today's Federalist Patriot
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 11, 2004 10:48:08 PM new
Apparently you care craw, You had to post identical comments. Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 12, 2004 04:37:51 AM new
Wow, smilies are now being added to thread titles.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on October 12, 2004 05:50:13 AM new
Oh boy...another progressive/socialist supporter doesn't like smiles or laughing smilies. Laughter and smiles continue to irritate the 'angry left'. tsk tsk
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 12, 2004 10:43:33 AM new
I was joking Linda, just joking. Geesh, talk about not being able to take a joke.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on October 12, 2004 11:09:30 AM new
Just joking cheryl? Sure....some may buy that...but I sure don't. Especially after you posted in the profe's thread mocking my use of smilies.
cheryl posted on October 9, 2004 04:49:13 PM
LBIDKWITA - Laughing because I don't know what I'm talking about.
Cheryl
That was real funny too. And you expect me to take your little snide comment about having a smilie in my title as a joke - without even a little smiling face? LOL sure cheryl.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 12, 2004 12:28:36 PM new"You can run, but you can't hide" is the motto Bush used for Bin Laden. Now he is using it for Kerry.
Can't he tell the difference between terrorists and a patriotic US citizen? Does he think the democratic party is a terrorist organization?"
Bush dropped the ball in finding Bin Laden, so I guess in this instance, he ran and remains hidden.....When are people going to wake up to that fact..
President Bush , "You can hide, but you can't run."
Bush has been hiding behind pre-selected audiences and loyalty oaths at his rallies, giving almost no press conferences as president, and living in a fantasy world because .....he can't run on his record for the past four years, which is a record of failure. !! VOTE OUT THE SON OF A BUSH!!
posted on October 12, 2004 12:42:16 PM newCan't he tell the difference between terrorists and a patriotic US citizen?
Sure he can and he's got kerry pegged just right.
Kerry's not a patriot...he sided with our communist enemies during VN and he's now working against what's in America's best interests again.
Does he think the democratic party is a terrorist organization?"
I can only speak for myself, but reading some of the comments here from the progressives and ultra-lefties....I think they're VERY MUCH support our terrorist enemies.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 12, 2004 01:29:22 PM new
Maggie, didn't Bush keep saying he was going to smoke out Bin Laden.
I think Bush was watching to many cowboy movies at the time.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 12, 2004 02:16:25 PM new
What the hell is wrong with you ? Can’t you see what’s going on?!?! Wake up!!!
I mean, you've had to watch your scatter-brained nitwit of a candidate fraudulently steal an election.... botch everything in sight for 4 years,..... start a unjustified war,.... continually help his rich connected buddies,....... and constantly crap on the middle class.
He’s covering-up questionable energy deals..... grossly negligent security deficiencies...... hypocritical oil alliances..... and telling one outright, blatant, flagrant, sorry-ass, pathetically transparent lie after another, the mother of which costs American soldiers lives and chunks of your tax money every day of the week.
Since we lefties have always known BushCo is chock-full of cowardly draft-dodging Constitution-deprived traitors.....their behavior is not surprising to us. Bush and his cronies are un-American... greedy... hateful... lying... sniveling.... yellow-bellies.
You act like you are all hypnotized by the robotic, and repetitive Fox News mantras of "BushCo is great".... "Wars are wonderful" and... "We are fair and balanced?"
When did fanatic party loyalty become more important than ridding your country of an illegally appointed doofus who has screwed up the country and the world for the rest of your life as well as your children’s? Aren't we all Americans first and Republicans or Democrats second?
And you know, it doesn't really matter that we Democrats were right all along, from the very beginning, from the get-go. So they were after the oil..... So there never were any WMD...... So they lied about everything..... So thousands died..... I’m really not the type to say "I told you so".......
posted on October 12, 2004 02:27:00 PM new
Tell all that to the team you support...kerry/edwards...they too voted for the war. Just didn't vote to support our troops.
How nice and comforting it must be for the lefties to forget every statement kerry made on just why we needed to remove saddam from power...just what a threat he'd been, according to kerry - FOR YEARS.
Pretty hard to overlook all the changes in positions your candidate has taken....but you all do it oh-so-very-well.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 12, 2004 03:45:14 PM new
linduh, about bush.....
"Pretty hard to overlook all the changes in positions your candidate has taken....but you all do it oh-so-very-well.""
posted on October 12, 2004 04:03:24 PM new
kerry's been confused since he first voted to give war powers to President Bush. He praised the success after we had invaded and taken over. Only when things turned rough did your 'hero' start changing his stories...and changing them...and changing them until he even had his own party confused as to what he'd REALLY do about Iraq. And this is the supposed leader the lefties want to see as CIC? That's good for a real deep belly laugh.
And I'm sure anyone who'd like to see how kerry voted, during the clinton administration's Liberation of Iraq Act can see for themselves that bill called for removing saddam and it made regime change our US policy.
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At the very least I'd think the liberals could be honest and just admit that they want Bush out period...rather than try to pretend their candidate didn't really want to remove saddam from power...like kerry said he did for close to 14 years.
Kerry Supported War In IraqKerry Voted For Iraq War Resolution. (H.J. Res. 114, CQ Vote #237: Passed 77-23: R 48-1; D 29-21; I 0-1, 10/11/02, Kerry Voted Yea)
Kerry Agreed With Removing Saddam Hussein. "I agree completely with this Administration's goal of a regime change in Iraq; Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991."¯ (Senator John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)
And Said We Should Spend What It Takes To Win¦
Kerry: We Should Increase Funding To Iraq By Whatever Number Of Billions Of Dollars It Takes To Win.
MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?¯
SEN. KERRY: No. I think we should increase it.
MR. RUSSERT: Increase funding?
SEN. KERRY: Yes.¯
MR. RUSSERT: By how much?
SEN. KERRY: By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.... (NBC's Meet The Press,¯ 8/31/03)
But Kerry Turned Around And Voted Against Funding For Our Troops
Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package.(S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay)
Kerry Has Been Incoherent, Inconsistent On Iraq
Mort Kondracke: Kerry Confusion Over Iraq Leaves Americans Trusting Bush.
Democratic nominee John Kerry's harsh new attacks on President Bush's Iraq policy beg a vital unanswered question: OK, Mr. Kerry, what would you do? Kerry has been all over the place on the Iraq war-so much so that we can't be sure whether he would have fought it in the first place (probably not) and whether his future strategy rests on winning the conflict or getting U.S. troops out as quickly as possible. ...
What's missing from Kerry's speeches is any declaration that 'we've got to win this war or we'll stay until we prevail.' Americans may be dubious about whether the Iraq war was worth it - but they certainly don't want to lose it. That's why they trust Bush more than Kerry. (Morton Kondracke, Op-Ed, Confusion Reigns About What Kerry Would Do In Iraq,¯ Roll Call, 9/13/04)
The New York Times Editorial Board: Kerry Acceptance Speech Provided No Clear Vision On Iraq.¯ [Kerry] did not, however, provide a clear vision on Iraq. Voters needed to hear him say that he understands, in retrospect, that his vote to give President Bush Congressional support to invade was a mistake. It's clear now that Mr. Kerry isn't going to go there, and it's a shame. (Editorial, John Kerry Says, The New York Times, 7/30/04)
The Washington Post Editorial Board: Kerry Offered No Praise For Liberation Of Iraq, Afghanistan. He offered not a word to celebrate the freeing of Afghans from the Taliban, or Iraqis from Saddam Hussein, and not a word about helping either nation toward democracy. (Editorial, Missed Opportunity,¯ The Washington Post, 7/30/04)
Even Kerry Supporter Radio Host Don Imus Said I Don't Know What He's Talking About On Iraq. Every time John Kerry brings up the Iraq debate, another debate ensues between his aides and Republicans whether he has changed positions. This time, however, even Kerry supporter Don Imus expressed confusion. "Not under the current circumstances, no, there are none that I see, Mr. Kerry said, though he continued to defend his 2002 vote to authorize possible military action. "I was just back in my office banging my head on the jukebox, Mr. Imus said. :This is my candidate, and...I don't know what he's talking about.¯ (David Jackson, Kerry's Iraq War Comments Leave Backer Imus Confused,¯ Dallas Morning News, 9/16/04)
Democrats Including Kerry Have Said World Is Safer After Liberating Iraq
Senator John Kerry Said People Who Believe America Isn't Safer With Saddam Out Of Power Shouldn't Be President.
SENATOR JOHN KERRY: "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president of the United States.¯ (ABC's This Week, 12/21/03)
Even Before Iraq War, Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) Said World Would Be Safer Without Saddam. "Make no mistake, Saddam Hussein alone has chosen war over peace," said [John] Edwards. "He has defied international law rather than disarm his weapons of mass destruction. Our world will be safer when he has gone."¯ (US Congress Closes Ranks Behind US Troops,¯ Agence France Presse, 3/20/03)
Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) Said If Saddam Hussein Was Still In Control, World Would Be Much More Dangerous Place. SENATOR JOE LIEBERMAN: The fact is that if Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison. And the world would be a much more dangerous place. (CNN's Wolf Blitzer Reports,¯ 12/14/03)
Former President Clinton Defended Bush And Blair's Liberation Of Iraq As Keeping World Safe From Chemical And Biological Weapons.
Even former President Bill Clinton, in London to promote his book, launched a defense Wednesday of Blair's case for going to war. "You can second-guess Blair if you like," Clinton told BBC radio. "But at the time, nearly everybody thought there was probably a stock of chemical and biological weapons there and that it was vulnerable to falling into the wrong hands."¯ (Shelley Emling, Report Calls Pre-War Intelligence "Seriously Flawed", Cox News Service, 7/14/04)
Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO): How Can Anyone Believe America Is Safer With Saddam In Power? "How can anybody say we're safer with Saddam Hussein in the world?" said Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri, who said Dean's "wrong-headed" statement was evidence of the difficulty he would have in a general election. (John Whitesides, 3 Democratic Rivals Rough Up Dean,¯ Orlando Sentinel, 12/17/03)
After Saddam Hussein's Capture, General Wesley Clark Said "The World Is A Safer And Better Place Now That He Is In Custody." ¯ (Read Democratic Candidates Statements On Saddam's Capture,¯ The Wichita Eagle, 12/15/03
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So, my recommendation to all would be to follow kerry's advice...
"[i]Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president of the United States."
...don't vote for him he doesn't have the judgment to be president nor the credibility to be elected president of the U.S.
IN HIS OWN WORDS....
I'm telling you this guy is VERY confused, has taken all sides of this war issue and is not fit to be CIC of our great Nation when we are at war with the terrorists. He was already willing to offer Iran the fuel they needed to build their own WOMD program. Scary.....very scary are his ways of dealing with what he NOW calls and considers terrorism "a nuisance."
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Re-elect President Bush
[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 12, 2004 04:17 PM ]
posted on October 12, 2004 04:07:29 PM new"Pretty hard to overlook all the changes in positions your candidate has taken....but you all do it oh-so-very-well.""
How in the HELL do you figure our candidate changes positions?
He has planted his feet, and stood his ground Quite firmly throughout all this.
And your candidate swings like a 500ft. palm whichever way the breeze takes him.
I think you Demos have gotten down to, Shooting Dead Fish In A Barrel!
Just Remember:
Be Careful What You Wish For You Just May Get It!
posted on October 12, 2004 04:13:17 PM new
HEY,HEY,HO,HO MAGGIE TELLS THEM THE TRUTH. Great job Maggie, I also have had enough of their lying TWISTED CRAP. The truth is the Bush Gang has failed AMERICA BIG TIME.
THE GOOD NEWS IS MORE AND MORE AMERICANS ARE SEEING THROUGH THEIR LYING TWISTED CRAP.
HEY,HEY,HO,HO VOTING FOR JOHN KERRY IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO FOR A BETTER AMERICA.
posted on October 12, 2004 04:24:12 PM new
dadofstickboy is just another LYING TWISTED CRAP SPREADING POSTER THAT IS SO FULL OF IT THAT I AM BETTING HIS EYES ARE BROWN.
THE GOOD NEWS IS MORE AND MORE AMERICANS AREN'T BELIEVING CRAP SPREADERS LIKE DADOFSTICKBOY ANY LONGER.
VOTING FOR JOHN KERRY IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO FOR A BETTER AMERICA.
posted on October 12, 2004 05:11:33 PM new
maggiemuggins:
What the hell is wrong with you ? Can’t you see what’s going on?!?! Wake up!!!
Yes Maggie:
I've always been able to see the forest for the trees.
But it also seems to me you Bleeding Heart Demos Can't!
Time to quit all the Bull S-h-i-t And Wake Up!
Bush is NOT the Best Man!
BUT he is looking out for the country.
The best he knows how!
But Neither Is (Kerry) By A long shot!
Face it!
The Demos put him in because he's A Throwaway!
They don't want him, so he will be easy to replace!
And if you have Half the Brains I think you do you realize that!
All Presidents have their Strong & Weak points!
Some do well at home & Some do well abroad!
Kerry has no plans, or he wouldn't spend so much time talking about them!
Never says anything,Except:
I Have A Plan!
Is this what your putting all your Eggs in one basket over?
That gets you excited? Wouldn't give you 2cents for those Eggs!
To find out what his plans are you'd have to elect him,and let him put a cabinet together so they could tell him what to do!
Has he told you who is going to be making all his decisions for him / you in the next 4 years?
NO!
He has really said nothing to Date!
You and the others should Really stand back, take a good look, you just may see the forest, from the Trees!
IT'S NOT THAT BAD OF A PICTURE!
edited to correct the editing!
[ edited by dadofstickboy on Oct 12, 2004 05:24 PM ]
posted on October 12, 2004 05:38:58 PM new
The reward of a re-election for a 2nd term, or the punishment of voting out the President, is a strong motivator to hold a Presidential administration to responsible behavior and to push a President to be accountable.
However, this administration is already shown an extreme disregard towards being held accountable for anything, while taking credit for anything it can at the same time.
Also, this administration has already shown an extremely irresponsible track record, on a great many issues, especially one of the most irresponsibly rushed executions of American power in modern history .. Iraq.
President Bush himself, can't think of any mistakes that he has made. If he refuses to acknowledge or realize his mistakes ... in the face of undisputed & documented errors of large scale, then this is consistent with a personality of irresponsibility and a ducking of accountability.
This administration has reversed itself on many issues. They were against the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. They were against the 911 Commission. In the case of the 911 Commission, this administration was probably very wary of any independent body of authority, coming close to investigating its actions. In these cases, protests and the potential negative political impacts pushed this administration to reverse itself.
If President Bush is re-elected to a 2nd term, there would be little incentive left to hold them accountable at all. When there is already a record of such irresponsibility and a lack of accountability, then it is logically predictable to deduce that the 2nd term would be filled with even greater recklessness, a greater disregard for self-investigation, a continued tension with the rest of the world, and a more partisan & brusque attitude towards all dissenters.
Would there be any changes in Bush Jr.'s cabinet for a 2nd term?
Some people have said that Colin Powell won't be part of a 2nd term. If that is so, then it probably make a 2nd potential Bush term, even more extreme. Colin Powell has been mature and moderating influence and a lone in-fighter in the cabinet for positively engaging the UN and the World. If he is out, then a 2nd potential Bush term could emerge to be even more unilateral, and less diplomatic.
Then consider the Right-Wing's disdain for considering the "War on Terror" as mainly, but not exclusively, a global law enforcement effort. The only implied alternative is a policy relying on global military war as the main solution, accompanied by the need for a draft.
Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
tsk tsk
