replaymedia
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:36:29 PM new
And the only one I saw.
Kerry made some good points, and Bush did too. Bush seemed a little agressive at times and did infact evade a question or two, but Kerry got a little rattled once or twice.
I think they both did pretty well. I don't think either of them changed any minds tonight.
No clear winner this time.
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Reamond
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:39:34 PM new
Bush got his hind end hooked everytime Kerry reminded people of Bush's record.
Kerry put Bush away the last debate, tonight Kerry moved himself even further ahead.
Kerry now leads in Ohio by 4 points. That is a 9 point swing after the last debate.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:40:09 PM new
This is the third one I've watched....and something hit me loud and strong tonight.
During all three debates kerry is negative and most of what he say's isn't about what HE'LL do...but rather pointing out what he thinks this President has done wrong.
A lot of the numbers kerry mentioned tonight, we've already discussed here and they were wrong. And I like how even the commentators figures were 1/2 of what kerry had just finished giving. 
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replaymedia
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:44:23 PM new
"Kerry now leads in Ohio by 4 points. That is a 9 point swing after the last debate. "
I live in Ohio, and just this afternoon I heard Bush was ahead by six points.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:47:02 PM new
A third win for Kerry!!!
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Reamond
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:49:43 PM new
Chicago Trib poll as reported tonight on the O'Reilly Factor has Kerry with a 4 point lead in Ohio.
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Reamond
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:51:17 PM new
Kerry has also moved ahead in PA and MI. Kerry will probably move ahead in Florida after tonight.
Bush at one time solidly had Colorado, now Colorado may go to Kerry.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:56:07 PM new
There are two things I have noticed in the last two debates that have really struck me.
1) Bush has never offered defense or explination for his decision to bar Medcare from bulk purchasing drugs. Everytime it is brought up, he turns the subject. It bugs me that this issue has not been posed as a direct question to him because I would really like to hear his justification for that.
2) Whenever Bush speaks of the non-defense programs that plans to implement in answer to ones that Kerry talks about are always thing at "we are going to do" in this next term. None of them are things that he will "continue to do" in the next term. He's had four years ... did he just think of them?
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CBlev65252
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posted on October 13, 2004 07:57:24 PM new
A working man that is out of work with a family to support DOESN'T want to hear what he's going to get is an education so that he can get a job of the 21st century. He wants to hear that he's going to get a job. Period. A paycheck puts food on the table and a roof over the head, not the promise of an education.
Roe vs. Wade. . .question never answered by Bush. No surprise here. Still courting the women's vote.
IMO, another debate won by Kerry, but not by as much as the first debate. Bush's smiles looked fake and again with the joking around.
Bush, IMO, is nothing more than a great dancer.
Edited to add: Bush didn't win any points with the people of Massachusetts or with the Kennedys. LOL!
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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kiara
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:03:18 PM new
Bush did his best tonight. But then he messed up so much the last two times that almost anything would be better. He controlled his emotions better and stood up straighter so I guess he listened to his wife. 
He dodged a lot of the questions and he didn't have any answer about raising the minimum wage. He is clueless about border security and port security.
Kerry was steadfast but missed a few opportunities to make points because he concentrated too much on figures and percentages.
Bush has no hesitation getting the flu shot vaccine from Canada but doesn't trust their drugs. lol
Once again, Kerry came across as sincere and trusting and a man with a plan and Bush was just the opposite.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:05:29 PM new
::A working man that is out of work with a family to support DOESN'T want to hear what he's going to get is an education so that he can get a job of the 21st century. He wants to hear that he's going to get a job. Period.::
Unfortunately though Cheryl - it's the truth. This country is never again going to a manufacturing power and anyone that is counting on that aspect of american industry is going to have to either grow and move forward or they are going to get left behind. Society moves forward and evolves andpeople are either going to have to move with it or they are going to get rolled over. Isn't that what keep trying to tell Twelve when it comes to gay rights issues? We can't pick and choose the evolutionary points of society.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:10:24 PM new
BTW - Am I the only one that missed this horrendous horrible scaliwag attack on Cheneys daughter made by Kerry? I heard him bring her up and mention that he was sure that her homsexuality was something that was who she was and meant to be. The only people that could see that as an attack are people that see being homosexual as a negative.
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stonecold613
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:16:43 PM new
Fact check report. As done by the local neutral news channel.
Kerry lies 10
Bush lies 4
Anyone but Kerry in 2004.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:21:16 PM new
What three year old did that mock-up? That is an embarrassment to image editing software users everywhere.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:23:23 PM new
Kerry has been announced the clear winner by CNN. He is ahead in polls....CBS, ABC and CNN!
Right, fenix...No attack was made by Kerry against Cheney's daughter. The question was asked if they believed that homosexuality was a choice. Bush answered that it was a choice and Kerry pointed out by mentioning Cheney's daughter that her homosexuality as you said, was something that was who she was and meant to be.
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stonecold613
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:29:35 PM new
Spoken like the true wealth of mis-information that you have been for years now.
Anyone but Kerry in 2004.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:33:12 PM new
The wisdom of twelvecold is back again.
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:43:40 PM new
You know, it's funny. I don't even mind that that is an anti-Kerry image you are sporting Stone but the fact that it is so horribly done is bugging the hell out of me. Can't you ask Bear or someone where you can go and get a well created one?
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:43:47 PM new
fenix - I saw that differently [surprise ]. I saw both the inappropriate mention of Cheney's daughter and kerry's referrals to McCain as being jabs to say to the public those people agree with my side of this issue.
And I believe that's why President Bush made it VERY clear that McCain was supporting HIS presidency.
edited to add: Just like he did in the previous debate...name dropping. He's definately a name dropper.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:43:49 PM new
double post...sorry
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replaymedia
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posted on October 13, 2004 08:55:20 PM new
"He's definately a name dropper"
Unless, of course, you ask him about those world leaders who he claimed wanted to see him as President.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:00:41 PM new
Linda, Why would you believe that the mention of Cheney's daughter is inappropriate? you have to see homosexuality as wrong to see the mention of Cheney's daughter as inappropriate.
McCain has been a friend of Kerry's since the Vietnam war. Rather than calling his mention of McCain namedropping, I would call it an effort to unite.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:08:52 PM new
replay - lol That's true. But then he also won't say just which countries he thinks he'll bring in to help in Iraq...France, Germany and Spain aren't coming. Canada didn't join us...so it would be nice to hear just who he thinks will.
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helen - You said: The question was asked if they believed that homosexuality was a choice. Bush answered that it was a choice.
That is incorrect....he did not. He said he didn't know.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:18:12 PM new
fenix - I'd be interested in knowing which programs you're referring to when you said Whenever Bush speaks of the non-defense programs that plans to implement in answer to ones that Kerry talks about are always thing at "we are going to do" in this next term. None of them are things that he will "continue to do" in the next term. He's had four years ... did he just think of them?
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:23:37 PM new
Linda, he says it about just about everything. It's really wierd. If Fox does as they have with the past two, they will replay the debate again shortly tonight. If you get a chance, just listen while you do your online stuff. It's one of those things that you kind of overlook but once you notice it you realize just how often it is said.
Oh yeah - and you'll also notice that they wore identical ties... I guess that's a lesson they forgot to learn from their wives
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fenix03
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:28:47 PM new
Hey, did Karl Rove really just say that the reason Bush is against a rollback of the 200K plus tax break is because the individual millionaires will find a way to get out of paying the taxes anyway but businesses can't afford the accountants that will help them do it? I was hearing things right? He didn't really just say that did he?
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yellowstone
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:32:49 PM new
Fenix
He did just say that but the way I heard it was; the individual millionaires will find a way to get out of paying the taxes anyway by hiring accountants to find loopholes and other ways to pay less.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2004 09:48:09 PM new
I agree....although I didn't hear Rove say it just now. But I've read that the extremely rich...like kerry/teresa paid a very tiny amount in taxes compared to their income. Their tax rate, while I can't remember off hand exactly what it was, was surprisingly low. They can afford the tax experts to take advantage of all the loopholes, imo.
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on October 13, 2004 11:19:35 PM new
Bush closed the deal tonight. Bush will get 51% of the vote and 315 electoral votes.
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stopwhining
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posted on October 14, 2004 06:22:13 AM new
The movie i saw last nite is called 'BULLY',it is based on a true incident of 7 high school kids who murdered a bully.
Now if you want to commit murder,do you round up friends and aquaitances??
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