The first documentary
evidence that Vietnamese communists were directly steering John Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War has been discovered in a U.S. archive, according to a researcher who spoke with WorldNetDaily.
One freshly unearthed document, (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/circular01.gif)
captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.
Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.
Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam era, told WND the new discoveries are the "most remarkable documents I've seen in the entire history of the antiwar movement."
"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause."
Corsi, co-author of the Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth best-seller "Unfit for Command," and Scott Swett, who maintains the group's website, have posted a summary of the discovery on the website of Wintersoldier.com.
Corsi says the documents show how the North Vietnamese, the Viet Cong, the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice, the Communist Party of the USA and Kerry's VVAW worked closely together to achieve the Vietnamese communists' primary objective -- the defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam.
"I think what we've discovered is a smoking gun," Corsi said. "We knew when we wrote 'Unfit for Command' that Kerry had met with Madame Binh and then promoted her peace plan.
"This document enables us to connect the dots," he emphasized. "We now have evidence Madame Binh was directing the antiwar movement ... and the person who implemented her strategy was John Kerry."
July 22, 1971, Kerry called on President Nixon to accept the plan at a press conference in which he surrounded himself with the families of POWs, a strategy outlined in the first document.
The two documents also connect the dots between the Vietnamese communists and the radical U.S. group People's Coalition for Peace and Justice through the person of Al Hubbard, a coordinating member of PCPJ and the executive director of VVAW while Kerry was its national spokesman.
"Al Hubbard and John Kerry were carrying out the predetermined agenda of the enemy in a coordinated fashion," Corsi said. "It's a level of collaboration that exceeded anything we had imagined."
Significantly, the fifth paragraph makes it clear the Vietnamese communists were using, for propaganda purposes, a protest described as taking place April 19-22, 1971.
This coincides with the well-known "Dewey Canyon III" protest in Washington, D.C., highlighted by Kerry's Senate Foreign Relations testimony charging American soldiers with war crimes.
The document's description of the protest includes the "return the medals" event in which Kerry and other VVAW members threw their war decorations toward the steps of the Capitol.
Why now?
Corsi told WND the documents have been authenticated with "100 percent certainty."
But why were they unearthed now, just one week before the Nov. 2 election?
Corsi insisted the timing was unintentional.
"It's truly one of those accidents of how things develop in research," he said. "We did not spring any surprise, we just found these documents, and even the archivist didn't know they were there."
Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth dispatched two researchers to Texas Tech University's Vietnam-era archive in Lubbock, which has more than 2 million documents, and "see if there was anything there," Corsi said.
Many of the documents are in Vietnamese and have not been translated yet.
The documents were found in boxes containing documents from antiwar activities during 1971-72, but they also turned out to be posted in an Internet database, which enabled further verification.
First document
The first document is a "circular" outlining the Vietnamese regime's strategies to coordinate its propaganda effort with orchestration of U.S. antiwar group activities.
The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and guidance from the friendly ((VC/NVN)) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks.
The phrases in double parentheses were added by U.S. translators for clarification. "VC" refers to the Viet Cong, while "NVN" is the North Vietnamese government.
Corsi and Swett point out that FBI files show Kerry returned to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese delegation in August 1971 and planned a third trip in November.
Corsi emphasizes that before the discovery of this document, he and other researchers had no direct evidence that Hanoi actually was directing the antiwar movement to implement the regime's goals, although they assumed it to be the case based on other indications.
In her meeting with Kerry in Paris, Madame Binh instructed him on how he and the VVAW could "serve as Hanoi's surrogates in the United States," Corsi and Swett say. This included advancement of her seven-point peace plan forcing President Nixon to set a date to end the war and withdraw troops.
Hanoi cleverly constructed the plan so that the only barrier to release of American POWs was Nixon's unwillingness to set a withdrawal date.
But as Corsi and Swett emphasize, the plan amounted to a virtual surrender that included payment of reparations and an admission the U.S. was the aggressor in an immoral war against the communists.
The circular underscores the impact of the peace plan on U.S. activists, saying:
"The seven-point peace proposal ((of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary Government)) not only solved problems concerning the release of US prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar movement.
Another section of the circular, again highlighting the interconnectedness of the Vietnamese communists, the U.S. antiwar movement and politics in the U.S. and South Vietnam, says Nixon and South Vietnamese leader Thieu are "very embarrassed because the seven-point peace proposal is supported by the [South Vietnamese] people's (( political struggle)) movement and the antiwar movements in the US. "
Therefore, the circular says, "all local areas, units, and branches must widely disseminate the seven-point peace proposal, step up the people's ((political struggle)) movements both in cities and rural areas, taking advantage of disturbances and dissensions in the enemy's forthcoming (RVN) Congressional and Presidential elections. They must coordinate more successfully with the antiwar movements in the US so as to isolate the Nixon-Thieu clique."
Second document
In addition to tying activities surrounding Kerry's 1971 protest to the direction of Vietnamese communists, the second document reveals the degree to which Hanoi worked with and through the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.
Of the U.S. antiwar movements, the two most important ones are: The PCPJ ((the People's Committee for Peace and Justice)) and the NPAC ((National Peace Action Committee)). These two movements have gathered much strength and staged many demonstrations. The PCPJ is the most important. It maintains relations with us.
Corsi and Swett note the House Internal Securities Committee in its 1971 Annual Report described the PCPJ as an organization strongly controlled by U.S. communists.
"There is no question but what members of the Communist Party have provided a very strong degree of influence, even a guiding influence, in the evolution and formation of policies of the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice."
Corsi cites recently released FBI surveillance reports that establish a strong link between Kerry, Hubbard, the VVAW, the PCPJ and their trips to Paris to meet with Madame Binh.
Kerry shared the stage with Hubbard, who recruited Kerry into the group, during the Dewey Canyon III protest, and they appeared together on NBC's Meet the Press April 18, 1971. Hubbard's claimed to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat, but the Department of Defense released documents showing he was neither a pilot nor an officer and had never served in Vietnam.
One FBI field surveillance report stamped Nov. 11, 1971, showed Kerry and Hubbard were planning to travel to Paris later that month to engage in talks with Vietnamese communist delegations. Other FBI reports clearly show the Communist Party of the USA was paying for Al Hubbard's trips to Paris, Corsi notes.
Another FBI report, dated Nov. 24, 1971, gives details of Hubbard's presentation to a VVAW meeting of the Executive and Steering committees in Kansas City, Mo., Nov. 12-15, 1971.
At that meeting, the VVAW considered and then rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Kerry is listed as present.
The FBI document shows communist coordination in Hubbard's trip to Paris.
[BLACK OUT] advised that Hubbard gave the following information regarding his Paris trip:
Two foreign groups, which are Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) and Peoples Republic Government (PRG) (phonetic), invited representatives of the VVAW, Communist Party USA (CP USA), and a Left Wing group in Paris, to attend meeting of the above inviting groups in Paris. Hubbard advised he was elected to represent the VVAW. An unknown male was invited to represent the CP USA and an unknown individual was elected to represent the Left Wing group from Paris. He advised at the meeting that his trip was financed by CP USA.
Corsi and Swett cite an appeal letter written by Hubbard April 20, 1971, demonstrating the strong coordination between Vietnam Veterans Against the War and People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.
Addressed from the offices of the VVAW in Washington, D.C., the letter is an appeal to VVAW members to provide assistance to the PCPJ. It discusses several ways in which the two organizations have worked closely together:
This is an appeal for help for the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. Over the past months the Peoples Coalition has supported the Vietnam Vets Against the War in many ways. The Coalition has made office space available at no charge, and permitted the use of all necessary office equipment such as mimeograph machines, stencil-making machines, folders and typewriters. They have loaned us cars, bullhorns, and public address equipment. Their staff has taken messages for us and joined fraternally in building our progress. Now we can return this support.
Saturday, April 24, the Coalition needs help collecting money and selling buttons at the great march and rally. Collectors and sellers must be energetic and determined. Theree will be security problems in taking large amounts of money to banks. The Coalition needs people power, hundreds of workers.
I earnestly hope that you will come forward to support our friends in this emergency.
Two days after Hubbard's letter was written, Kerry told Sen. William Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee American military in Vietnam were committing war crimes in the manner of Genghis Khan.
The event referred to in the letter was PCPJ's massive April 24 demonstration in Washington that followed the VVAW's Dewey Canyon III protest.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 25, 2004 11:52:14 PM
These were the same guys who said Saddam had WOMDs. LMAO !!! They get more desperate every day. Bush loses next week !!!!
posted on October 26, 2004 09:58:42 AM
Reamond, in case you forgot (conviently) Saddam WAS a WOMD.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 26, 2004 10:35:41 AM
Anyone who believes saddam should have been left in power...doesn't agree with either the democratic position nor the repubican position. Because BOTH felt and voted regime change was needed. There wasn't disagreement between the two parties on IF it was needed...just the manner in which it should be carried out.
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"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "[/i]Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause[/i]."
It's very difficult for me to understand how those who support kerry are so willing to ignore his actions with the communists and against his own country during the VN era. He sold us out then....and his cousin benefitted financially, business wise, from the POW/MIA issue. And he'd do it again in a heartbeat.
All one needs to do is read how he's said he'll handle North Korea and Iran to see his willingness and belief that if we're just more 'sensitive' to them....all will be well. [gag]
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 26, 2004 10:46:26 AM
OH for Pete's sake, the economy's going down the toilet, 380 million tons of explosives "goes missing" in Iraq with bush in command, there are huge job losses, oil is going up like a rocket, heating costs will soar this winter, polluters run rampant thanks to bush lowering all pollution control standards...
and you two are dwelling in a past that doesn't matter!
And, if it DOES matter, your hero, the yellow-bellied sleaze bag bush was too drunk and scared to fight.
Do you really want to keep reminding people of that!
posted on October 26, 2004 11:13:45 AM
maggie - For generations we have been as you call it 'the world's police'.
That's under both democratic and republican administrations.
While those of us who post here are usually in fierce disagreement with one another...our Congress [past, present and most likely future ones] do agree on a lot of issues. The regime change and removal of saddam was one of them.
This is not only a Bush administration position....although from all kerry lies about now, one would think differently. Remember he VOTE for this war. He praised this President's actions AFTER we invaded. He made statements praising how President Bush had handled it. That was until things got a little rough...then he flip-flopped and all of a sudden this was the 'wrong war'.
It was during the clinton administration that a law was passed acknowledging that regime change would be our country's position on saddam/Iraq. It's call the Iraq Liberation Act.
posted on October 26, 2004 11:23:37 AM
For the congressionally disadvantaged...I'll explain.....Kerry did NOT vote for going to war...he and many other people were duped into saying yes to a bill giving the president power to go to war after certain conditions were met.
bush LIED to them all, ignored the conditions, and dove into a war.
your hero, the yellow-bellied sleaze bag bush was too drunk and scared to fight.
Do you really want to keep reminding people of that!
In planning for the war, Bush failed to secure the support of our allies, ignored the advice of military advisers and failed to develop a plan to win the peace. Now, he is failing to train an adequate number of Iraqi security forces and the tragedy of that is that more troops will be killed. As a result of Bush's failure to plan, this war becomes a bigger disaster every day in cost of lives, money and international support.
posted on October 26, 2004 01:36:43 PMIn planning for the war, Bush failed to secure the support of our allies, ignored the advice of military advisers and failed to develop a plan to win the peace.
He did NOT fail to get support from all willing allies. You refuse to understand that the old Europe was benefitting from saddam remaining in power. And you appear to also refuse to accept what the leaders of BOTH France and Germany have said recently...they will not sent troops NO MATTER WHO IS ELECTED. Get that helen? THEY'VE said.
Then we have clinton who bomb the heck out of Iraq in 12-98. He also had no 'allied' support. He didn't even bother to get approval from our Congress before he started bombing. President Bush did have our Congressional approval and he had the last UN resolution saying IF saddam did not comply with the orginial resolution terms....serious consequences would take place. He didn't....they did. HIS FAULT ...had he made other choices...there would have been no war. But people like you approve of his continuation of thumbing his nose at the world....and at the Security Council that voted 15-0 for saddam to comply. And then you've wondered why I question your loyality to our country?
Now, he is failing to train an adequate number of Iraqi security forces and the tragedy of that is that more troops will be killed.
Incorrect again helen. They have been training Iraqi forces for quite a few months. It can't happen over night...but currently there are approx. 130,000 Iraqi security men fighting too....along side our soldiers. The majority of the recent losses of life have been IRAQI life helen. They're beginning to stand up and take responsibility to protect their own country. But building up forces for a whole country doesn't happen over night. Especially when the terrorists are still killing those who have decided they want to help.
As a result of Bush's failure to plan, this war becomes a bigger disaster every day in cost of lives, money and international support.
This President has NOT failed. War is hell...and in war things never go smoothly. There are always unexpected circumstances coming up that have to be dealt with.
And nothing's going to change under a kerry administration...expect maybe because in ONE of the position he's taken he's said he'll withdraw out troops. That's like surrender...and if that happens....mark my words AQ and binladen will KNOW they've won and we'll experiencing more 9-11 events.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 26, 2004 02:46:09 PM
Rumsfeld: Progress training Iraqis
He asserted that the news media and others are ignoring the fact that the number of U.S.-trained Iraqi security forces is growing â€" standing now at about 100,000 â€" and that they are fighting and dying.
They do exist. Over 700 of them have been killed,” Rumsfeld said.
Casey told reporters that he and Rumsfeld did not discuss U.S. troops levels in their meeting.
“If I need more troops, as the secretary said, I will ask for them,” Casey said. He added that trained Iraqi forces will increase by 45,000 by the January election.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/6221038/
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And how many posts to this thread and not ONE leftie has made a statement about these documents that were found.....nor a word about kerry's involvement with our enemies.
posted on October 26, 2004 02:52:03 PM
"Rummy talk" saying that there are about 100,000 means that yes, there are only 95,000 trained which makes me correct.
Either number is still way less than "Linda talk" of 130,000.
posted on October 26, 2004 04:26:36 PMKerry did NOT vote for going to war...he and many other people were duped into saying yes to a bill giving the president power to go to war after certain conditions were met.
kerry saw the same intelligence info that President Bush reported on. Then kerry voted to go into Iraq before he voted against funding to provide the troops needed equiptment.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 27, 2004 12:20:54 PM
You keep saying that reamond but have yet to prove your belief if true.
kerry was on the Senate intelligence committee. H. clinton said she reviewed all the intelligence information that was available....just as EVERY person in Congress was able to do. IF kerry didn't ...and just took his information from briefings...when he did show up at all....then that is his fault. But kerry has a 14 year record of saying saddam was a danger and in some he said saddam needed to be removed.
Now..the kerry supporters continue to re-write history ...just as kerry continues to flip-flop and lie.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:45:32 PMkerry saw the same intelligence info that President Bush reported on.
Not he did not. Congress gets an edited version. No one in Congress gets the same briefings that the president gets.
Doesn't matter what information was contained in the report if the data in the report was manipulated to support Bush's claims. There are many links out there that say the intelligence was manipulated or exaggerated.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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