yeager
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posted on November 9, 2004 04:31:44 PM
It took only one day after the election for the Bush administration to prove to the American people just how good our homeland defense is. In New Jersey, a National Guard F-16 shot up a junior high school, some four miles off target from a night target zone. I don't know about you, but I sure feel safer!
This is The Associated Press account: "At least eight of the lead rounds fired at a school during a nighttime National Guard training mission punched their way into classrooms, police said Friday.
"The Air National Guard F-16 fighter jet fired 25 rounds at the Little Egg Harbor Intermediate School on Wednesday night, sending ammunition flying through the roof and zinging off the asphalt parking lot. The 2-inch-long projectiles, which do not explode, were meant for a ground target 3 1/2 miles away, and military investigators are trying to determine how the strike could have happened.
"Only a custodian was in the building, and no one was injured.
"The solo pilot's intended target was well within the confines of the Warren Grove firing range, a 2,400-acre scrub pine expanse used by the military for training in bombing and strafing."
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parklane64
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posted on November 9, 2004 04:59:39 PM
whoops!
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Matthew 19:24
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replaymedia
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posted on November 9, 2004 05:02:58 PM
"It took only one day after the election for the Bush administration to prove..."
And this is Bush's fault how?
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Libra63
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posted on November 9, 2004 05:20:27 PM
Yeager thinks everything is Bush's fault...
The DNC thinks and now knows that Kerry was the wrong candidate. Watching cspan and the DNC committee meeting they decided that you can't say one thing one day and then change it the next. Does that sound familiar?
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yellowstone
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posted on November 9, 2004 05:27:39 PM
Now I feel safer, how about you?
Oh yeah, I feel much safer now that Yeager is here. 
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 9, 2004 05:35:31 PM
If Kerry was President.
He would have waited till Morning and KILLED all those Little Holy Terrors.
Remember He Had A Plan!
[ edited by dadofstickboy on Nov 9, 2004 05:36 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on November 9, 2004 06:01:16 PM
No, I don't feel safe. In fact, the entire world feels less safe. The next Bush move could be a preemptive war against Iran or Syria before Iraq is under control. Now, the war in Falujah is creating an increasing number of people in Iraq who want to retaliate while the number and anger of terrorists is increasing all over the world. The war on terrorism cannot be won in Iraq.
You Bush supporters are constantly chanting, but it's not Bush's fault. Is your president responsible for anything?...for any misjudgement or blunder?
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 9, 2004 06:02 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on November 9, 2004 06:23:37 PM
Yes, thank you I feel much safer knowing President Bush is still leading this great nation.
So much better than I would have had the ultra-liberal, flip-flopper, take-every-position-to-please-everyone, kerry been elected.
Meanwhile the dems are still hashing out just why they didn't win this election.  They won't EVER get it, it appears.
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logansdad
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:15:52 PM
I am glad our military is able to tell the difference between a school and a target.
Was Bush trying to pass his National Guard test? Do you think Bush might have been at the controls of the F-16 and this is all a cover-up or do you think the military is practicing their skills so they can blow up schools in Iraq?
Q. What's the difference between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War?
A. George W. Bush had a plan to get out of the Vietnam War.
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There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
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replaymedia
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:19:52 PM
"preemptive war against Iran or Syria"
Hmmm. Am I the only one out there that thinks this is not a bad thing?
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Libra63
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:22:43 PM
Your right Linda.
If you get a chance and cspan repeats the DNC meeting it is rather interesting. They were meeting to find out just why they lost the election. One of the conclusions was that they have to carry more states. The states they carry don't have enough House and Senate seats in them to have a majority or even come close. I think it will take them longer than 4 years to figure it out. They are even wondering if they can win the election in 2008. Many other interesting things they covered...to many to list...
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Helenjw
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:33:52 PM
Changing the subject won't help. This thread is about the safety of this country right now. As the guerilla war in Iraq continues with no end in sight Do you feel safer and if so, why?
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 9, 2004 07:35 PM ]
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yellowstone
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:46:57 PM
Gee, Helen, and here I thought it was about a few stray bullets fired from an F-16 fighter jet into a school and a custodian that got the sh!t scared out of him.
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classicrock000
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posted on November 9, 2004 07:53:42 PM
hell I was hoping the school was full of democraps
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calamity49
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posted on November 9, 2004 08:05:47 PM
I can't say that I ever felt unsafe but that's because of where I live. The middle of nowhere.
I do think the USA is safer as we haven't had any attacks since 9-11. We have also thwarted attacks. How many, we will probably never know. I think B.L. has been pretty well neutralized for the moment but if we ever get him there will be someone else to take his place and if we get Z. someone will take his place. this will take a long time.
I do worry about our borders, ships and people on the ground but all in all I think we have made great strides in protecting America and will continue to do so.
I am glad Ashcroft is leaving, though.
Calamity
edited to tell daughter story.
I did worry about my daughter, though, while she was in Washington D.C. until she told me that the Senate buildings had regular evacuations. I found that out the day of Reagan's funeral motorcade. She called while she was on the run and asked me to turn on the news. I found out the the Governor of Ky's. plane was in a no fly zone. That was embarrassing since I'm originally from Ky. She's in Michagan now but after I heard and saw what people had to go through to move around Wash. I felt much better. And I like your question, Helen. 
[ edited by calamity49 on Nov 9, 2004 08:10 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on November 9, 2004 08:15:29 PM
No, replay, you're not the only one.
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Libra - Yes, that's all I've been reading and hearing....they're still trying to figure it out. They know they have to win some southern states....and just can't figure out how to do that. lol
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I agree Calamity....he gets all the criticism...but never any credit for what his administration has done. And while we can't afford to do all that many think needs to be done..I think he has done a great job so far.
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And to answer you helen....I feel safer just knowing that our CIC takes the terrorist threats seriously as opposed to many on the left who continue saying he's just trying to scare American's with the threat angle. He's not, imo, they're real and do present a danger that kerry never would have done anything about UNTIL we were attacked again.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 9, 2004 09:30:45 PM
Thanks, Calamity
One of my daughters works in Washington. I worry about that especially because she has to use the metro system every day. The other one lives near three mile island. So, you can see why I am a little concerned. We live a couple of miles outside D.C. I don't worry about myself but you know how mothers are...Lol
I agree with you about Ashcroft!
Helen
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yeager
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posted on November 9, 2004 11:25:39 PM
Helen,
I too, don't feel that safe. In the fact that most of the militant countries in world now hate the US. I am sure that they too feel they might be the next target of the Bush gang. Additionally, many of once allies now have distanced themselves from us, so as not to be confused with the same agenda as the Bush gang.
It's also very interesting that the urban combat started in Iraq shortly after the election. Of course, this was in the plans but kept quiet until the election was over.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 10, 2004 12:27:34 AM
Dear linduh, could you please explain why you think Kerry is a ""flip-flopper"" and bush isn't.
You must've read my post with all the flip flops bush did AND my explanation of how bills are passed in Congress because your stunted education never provided that.
Yet in your tunnel vision, steel trap mind you still can call Kerry a flip flopper.
Haven't you even one brain cell to reason with? Not one?????
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Libra63
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posted on November 10, 2004 07:00:00 AM
As I said in a couple of other threads I was watching cspan and "The Future of the Democratic Party" The consensus was that they had to find a candidate that didn't say one thing one day and change it the next day. Do you think they were talking about Kerry and his flip floping. Well yes they were. It was a real interesting program and how they have to find a way to get more states that they had because if they don't they will always loose congress to the republicans. Now I know how most of you think but the red states have the moral majority. Morals do make a difference.
Yeager said: "I too, don't feel that safe. In the fact that most of the militant countries in world now hate the US". They didn't like us before but now they know that we will stand up for our rights and fight back if attacked. Do you want us to just sit back and let someone take over our country?
Oh and BTW Being afraid is nothing new. There has always been a threat of problems in New york and their subway system. Remember Japan and what happened in their subway and I think in Montreal they had incidents in their subways.
Our borders have never been safe and both Canada and US are responsible for those. The only thing Canada was worried about was when Americans took liquor into the US so that they could get their duty. They are safer now.
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yellowstone
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posted on November 10, 2004 07:14:06 AM
Yeager said; I too, don't feel that safe. In the fact that most of the militant countries in world now hate the US.
If you feel that they didn't hate us before we went into Iraq and Afghanistan then you are badly mistaken.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 10, 2004 07:57:24 AM
Dear linduh, could you please explain why you think Kerry is a ""flip-flopper"" and bush isn't.
You must've read my post with all the flip flops bush did AND my explanation of how bills are passed in Congress because your stunted education never provided that.
Yet in your tunnel vision, steel trap mind you still can call Kerry a flip flopper.
Haven't you even one brain cell to reason with? Not one?????
Here's one of those questions linda will avoid at all costs....watch for the excuses....
"oh, you call names, I can't answer your rather pointed question."
"I don't have to answer those I have no respect for."
And on and on ...hiding, hiding, hiding........
Or, GAWD help us all, she'll C&P another looonggg booorrring piece of junk in her ability to not have an original thought.......
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crowfarm
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posted on November 10, 2004 08:29:10 AM
I am reminded of news item I saw on TV several months agao when this flip-flop thing started. There were some women demonstrating against Kerry by waving signs and those flip-flop sandals and yelling "Flip-Flopper".
When the reporter asked them how Kerry had flip-flopped...NOT ONE could answer or give an example, they had no idea, they just giggled and said, "oh, we just know he flip-flops"
So my conclusion is:
A. They were paid to make fools of themselves by standing on a street corner screaming and waving sleazy footwear in the air.
B. They really were fools.
Which is it for you, linda?
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trai
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posted on November 10, 2004 08:39:27 AM
preemptive war against Iran or Syria"
Hmmm. Am I the only one out there that thinks this is not a bad thing?
With what??? Do not even have enough troops to flush out the "bad guys" in the towns and cities at the same time and you want to take on Iran and Syria now?
Best you run over to the enlistment office and sign up today.
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kiara
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posted on November 10, 2004 09:03:38 AM
The only thing Canada was worried about was when Americans took liquor into the US so that they could get their duty.
What are you talking about, Libra63? Canada has never collected any duty at the border from liquor Americans bring into the US or from anything else Americans bring in for that matter.
Do I feel safer? No, the whole world is much more unsafe now.
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Libra63
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posted on November 10, 2004 03:40:30 PM
Kiara for once I know this for a fact. Living close to the Canadian border as I did we sometimes camped in Canada. On one of our more disastrous trips where we had a terrible storm we packed the trunk with the wet clothes,tent etc. We get to the border and we're stopped. Told to move the car out of the way and park so they can search our car. I asked "What are you looking for?" They said "liquor". Since Liquor was cheaper in Canada than the US many people went across to buy it. There was a limit as to how much they could bring back but of course more was always taken. They either confiscated the liquor or you could pay the duty. With all the liquor we had in our trunk we paid 0 dollars.
Since you live in Canada I honestly don't think you can answer the safe question as how do you know how safe it is? Oh I know buy all the liberal posters on this board. You know they could be wrong. 
We were never safe before 9/11 and my opinion is that we are safer. Since we don't know the inner workings of Homeland Security, and of course we never will, nobody can comment on how safe we are..
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trai
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posted on November 10, 2004 04:11:47 PM
Safe? Its only a state of mind. There truly is no safe in todays world as one can only do so much.
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kiara
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posted on November 10, 2004 04:41:49 PM
Libra63, when you cross back into the US you are usually always stopped and it is the US Customs that searches your vehicle, not the Canadians so they (the US) would be confiscating liquor bought in Canada if it wasn't declared...... Canada doesn't care that you bought liquor in their country.
When you enter Canada it is Canadian Customs checking cars coming in and when you leave, the US Customs checks you. If you are paying duty on items you bought when you return to the US, it is the US government collecting it, not Canada. I have tried to explain this to you several times before.
Oh I know buy all the liberal posters on this board.
Sorry, I think the asking price would be far too high as intellect is an expensive purchase. 
nobody can comment on how safe we are.
I thought the question was do we feel safer and that's what I commented on.
What do you mean, I can't answer because I live in Canada? Terrorism affects us all and Osama Bin Laden just announced that Canada pizzes them off too because of their association with the US and they're on the hit list too. Canada is just as open to attack as anyone else in this world. Duh!
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 10, 2004 05:11:26 PM
LOL.. Kiara.. better you than me.. you have the patience of a Saint! I'd be guilty of "Shaking Senior Syndrome"..Aarrhhhgggg!!!
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kiara
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posted on November 10, 2004 05:36:09 PM
I don't know, Maggie.... I don't swear too much in RL but sometimes I read here and I smile and shake my head and start to mutter the F word........ hahahaha
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