China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control
Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
China's ambassador to the United Nations last week called for international controls on the Internet.
Chinese Ambassador Sha Zukang told a UN conference that controls should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations.
"It should ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning," he said at the conference on Internet governance.
Sha said China opposes the "monopolization" of the Internet by one state, a reference to the Untied States, which ultimately controls the digital medium.
"It is of crucial importance to conduct research on establishing a multilateral governance mechanism that is more rational and just and more conducive to the Internet development in a direction of stable, secure and responsible functioning and more conducive to the continuous technological innovation," he said.
China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout the country and outside of strict government censorship.
China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Periodically, Chinese security forces raid Internet cafes and arrest people who violate Chinese rules.
Sha said China has 94 million Internet users out of a worldwide total of about 810 million.
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Agree? Disagree? Won't ever happen? Your thoughts on whether things should stay as they are now....or be changed to accommodate China and maybe others Nations that might agree with them.
posted on March 2, 2005 03:04:57 PM new
Linda, I hope not. I didnt think the US dominates, btw. For some reason I thought Europe was ahead of the curve of that....?
posted on March 2, 2005 04:18:08 PM new
How can they regulate it?
So the people in China cannot critize their government, sounds good to me.
If only China is the one complaining then they need to do some regulation themselves and not bring UN or government into this. We do not need a government controlled internet....
posted on March 2, 2005 04:22:55 PM new
Okay.. I don't understand what they are saying??? Would someone please explain to me what it is that they want exactly? Thanks.
posted on March 2, 2005 05:09:16 PM new
The net shouldn't, and for the most part won't be regulated at all, try as governments might. Every time some beady eyed sellout programmer helps a nation filter it's web access, a bunch of people around the world will jump on the challenge and find a work around for those willing to learn how.
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posted on March 2, 2005 06:15:40 PM newHow can they regulate it?
Put Linda in charge. She is good at telling citizens what they can and can not say when it comes to criticizing the government.
She is great at calling everyone Un-American. I am sure she can learn to say the phrase that is very Un-Chinese of you.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on March 2, 2005 07:05:36 PM new
Maybe we should let Linda do that as she is very knowledgeable. I don't think she tells anyone how to post though. If she has an opinion about what another posters post she isn't afraid to answer it. This is a discussion board and anyone can post what they want and they do.
Back to the internet. If China doesn't like it then they need to regulate what their citizens get.
Now what I would like to know is how you get into another countries webpages. I only search US sites but it would be interesting what others have to say.
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posted on March 2, 2005 09:44:37 PM new
Probably most of us remember as sellers when France was having a fit because ebay was allowing Nazi items to be sold. They pressured ebay to stop it and I believe even took them to court in order to stop them.
Anyway....this isn't the article I remember reading when the subject of global regulations came up before, but it might better inform us of what might happen if enough countries decided to push this 190 country 'regulating' body over the internet and its contents.
posted on March 2, 2005 10:32:14 PM new
fenix evidently China doesn't or they wouldn't have gone to the UN.
1. This is what China said. China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout the country and outside of strict government censorship
2. They also said this. China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Evidently they are having problems controlling their own population but is that a problem for the UN. Darn I hope they are not reading our discussion board. (That comment is for the 2nd part).
Thanks for the link. I am going to check that out. I try not to wander around the Internet to much.
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posted on March 2, 2005 10:51:39 PM new
Libra - do the research. Expand beyond a single article posted here. China desperately attempts to filter what their citizens are allowed to access. The reason they want regulation is so that they can more successful in their attempts becasue, as Prof stated earlier, free thinking people around the world will always find a work around to nulify government attempts at filtering access.
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posted on March 3, 2005 04:27:40 AM new
The L sisters Linda K and Libra63 would love to have the net so all we could read is their narrow view of the World.
Well, Bigpeepa...Unlike Linda, Libra appears to have an open mind to reading...when she says, "Now what I would like to know is how you get into another countries webpages. I only search US sites but it would be interesting what others have to say."
posted on March 3, 2005 06:50:19 AM newThe reason they want regulation is so that they can more successful in their attempts because, as Prof stated earlier, free thinking people around the world will always find a work around to nulify government attempts at filtering access.
This appears as if it democracy in its infancy. Why would Libra be against, allowing democracy in China? It appears to me as if this is what the people want. Is it because China is not on the Bush agenda for forcing democracy in China? If the people really want democracy it will eventually happen through natural means.
Or is Libra against it because it allows free thinkers to criticize their government?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on March 3, 2005 08:48:17 AM new
logansdad where did I say this. Why would Libra be against, "allowing democracy in Chinas".
I was only posting what China said. They have a different form of government than we do. They are communists and if that is what the government wants then let them have it. Remember the people of China elect their government just like we do. If they don't like it let them move to the US and take more jobs away from the Americans.
Wow I guess in this discussion board it is okay for posters to post things that aren't true. Read it again logansdad and tell me where I said that.
Again crowfarm posts nothing of value. She contributes nothing to this board except for name calling. Where did I say I like communism? Show me where. Just like logansdad you cannot read a posters post.
As to the topic......lalalalalala.....soon China will do anything it pleases.........
This isn't the topic crowfarm reread the OP and you will see you are way off base. It is China that wants the UN to step in and regulate the internet. You have a problem with the concept of what the topic is.
posted on March 3, 2005 10:45:43 AM newWhy would Libra be against, "allowing democracy in Chinas".
Read it again logansdad and tell me where I said that.
So the people in China cannot critize their government, sounds good to me.
Back to the internet. If China doesn't like it then they need to regulate what their citizens get
They are communists and if that is what the government wants then let them have it.
Plain as day Libra !!!!
You said it three times Libra. I bet you are going to deny you said those things.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on March 3, 2005 11:29:29 AM new
"So the people in China cannot criticize their government, sounds good to me. Yes I said that but I was referring to crowfarm, logansdad and bigpeepa. China doesn't want anyone to spoil their communism. But here in America you have the freedom of speech. I was referring to the three of you about what it would be like for you 3 to live in a communist country. You seem to have nothing good to say about America and the people who live in it.
Again logansdad wrong. Where did I say that 3 times. Evidently you have a problem with comprehension. Yes I said this Back to the Internet. If China doesn't like it then they need to regulate what their citizens get? Why do they have to go to the UN for regulation? Evidently they can't do it by themselves.
I didn't say that that was in the article.
Another stupid post by logansdad {i}They are communists and if that is what the government wants then let them have it{/I]. That is what communism is. Dictatorship
Crowfarm postsAs to the topic......lalalalalala.....soon China will do anything it pleases......... They won't crowfarm, get over it. They are a communist country and the people of China will do as the communist government says.
Get a grip crowfarm post what you like you will never live up to the standard of a good American.
posted on March 3, 2005 12:01:32 PM new
::Remember the people of China elect their government just like we do.::
What world do you live in? Do you have a clue what you are talking about? It's not as if they get a chance to choose between the Democratic and Communist candidates Libra. Besuides, the elections that are held are for small local positions. there are no general elections in China.
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posted on March 3, 2005 12:20:17 PM new
Taking this from The Carter Report website.
This article appeared in the March 30, 1997, edition of The Atlanta Journal and Constitution.
China's first challenge is to standardize procedures and guarantee the secret ballot throughout the country.
Reports of China's attempts to influence U.S. elections, imprison political dissidents, harass Taiwan and increase arms spending have led some Americans to perceive China's spectacular economic growth - about 10 percent a year for the last 20 years - as ominous.
But that view misses a far more complex China, parts of which offer some grounds for encouragement to those concerned about the rights and opportunities of one-quarter of mankind. Not only has growth lifted the overall economy, it also has significantly enhanced living standards and expanded some freedoms of the vast majority of Chinese. And China, with little attention has been conducting an experiment in free elections at the local level.
A decade ago, the Chinese National People's Congress (NPC) passed a law calling for direct elections in the country's rural villages, where 900 million people live. Among the few who are aware of the law, there are markedly different views as to its import.
In the United States, some view Chinese village elections as a sham aimed at deluding the West into thinking that the country is becoming democratic, when in fact the Communist Party is in complete control. Others see elections as a dramatic step forward on the road to democracy.
In China, some leaders see village elections as a way to relieve tensions in rural areas and encourage new leadership and greater self-reliance. To others, they are a dangerous precedent that could undermine the party and lead to instability.
It does show they have elections whether honest or not they still vote....
posted on March 3, 2005 12:52:21 PM newIt does show they have elections whether honest or not they still vote....
You could have said the same thing about Iraq under Saddam. They had elections and the people still voted - 100% for Saddam.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on March 3, 2005 12:52:21 PM new
logan and bigpeepa , why didn't you KNOW what Lala meant by
""So the people in China cannot criticize their government, sounds good to me."""
You should have KNOWN she was referring to ME...isn't it OBVIOUS ????HA!
" Yes I said that but I was referring to crowfarm, logansdad and bigpeepa"
Libra , not critcizing the government is what Communists do....if you agree, you are a Commie sympathizer....no two ways about it.
China's election DO sound like ours, though, good point!
posted on March 3, 2005 01:24:44 PM new
Libra- are you honestly this dense? They vote on which of the party faithful will be the village leader. They do NOT vote on national leadership or laws. I'm curious as to whether or not YOU know what side of this you are on since in one post you are insisting that they have a voice in their leadership yet in another you state that they are a dictatorship.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
They still have elections....They elect either communism or the democracy. Maybe not the person but the party that they want in office....
Now the communist party is trying to get the UN to regulate the internet. This is what the thread is about. Why are they going to the UN. The UN can't do the job they are supposed to do.
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