posted on March 31, 2005 01:16:20 PM new
That George Felos, Michael Schiavos attorney is on the board of directors at the hospice Mrs Schiavo had been.
Also Judge Greer, who denied the appeals and whatevers of The Schlinders is also connected to the hospice.
I was told this by someone, and did look it up fast..
Bunch of stuff out there if you like googling, I don't have time, in fact I gotta go out..
Just thought it interesting, and if it did mean anything.
posted on March 31, 2005 01:22:16 PM new
Finally, someone who makes sense:
NEW YORK— It is possible that Michael Schiavo is a battering spouse or a murderer, just as it is possible that you are a battering spouse or a murderer.
But the odds against him (or you) being a battering spouse or murderer, and a complete idiot, are very, very high.
And that is exactly what the husband of the unfortunate, and unfortunately publicized, Terri Schiavo, would have to be, to have done what he did yesterday, unless his innocence was all but certain and the mainstream medical evidence on his wife’s condition all but incontrovertibly verified.
Through his attorney, Mr. Schiavo announced that after his wife’s life ends, he will delay the planned cremation of her body, and ask the Chief Medical Examiner of Pinellas County, Florida, to conduct a full autopsy on the cause of her now impending death.
If he, as some blood relatives of his wife now suggest after a decade of suggesting otherwise, somehow abused her, or he led to the heart stoppage that put her in her present state, it is not likely to be missed by the autopsy.
If he, as his in-laws and all of his critics now suggest after nearly a decade of suggesting otherwise, had an ulterior motive in seeking to end her treatment, it is not likely to be missed by the autopsy.
And if the part of her brain that makes her her was not irreparably damaged (in fact, turned to liquid)— as examination after examination and court after court has found— it is certain not to be missed by the autopsy.
In short, Mr. Schiavo has just given his critics three opportunities to prosecute him by authorizing, in fact requesting, the autopsy. If he’s been lying, or the doctors have been wrong, or any of the hysteria stirred up by those operating both in good faith and bad in this case, is true— then he is a complete idiot.
This case should now be considered closed. Obviously it will not be. It will be perpetuated by a few good, sad people who do not want the woman they know as daughter, sister, or friend, to die. It will be perpetuated by others who cannot come to grips with the incongruity of part of her brain still acting automatically, like a stoplight in the middle of a desert. But mostly it will be perpetuated by people who do not and have not given a damn about Terri Schiavo, or her parents, or anyone but themselves and the opportunities to exploit this situation for their own personal or political beliefs.
Michael Schiavo’s insistence on an autopsy will resolve more than just how hopeless his wife’s situation really has been. It will also be an autopsy on the credibility of those who have tried to manipulate her insentient condition. For, unless Michael Schiavo is a battering spouse or murderer, and a complete idiot, his public critics will be revealed as snake-oil salesmen who have not only exploited his wife, but also thousands of Americans who— just like me, and no doubt just like you— would love nothing more than to see Terri Schiavo rise from her bed and go home, happy, healthy, and fully restored.
Those who suggested that any hospice would ever let a person die a miserable, painful death should simply recant. Hospice is one of the greatest institutions ever to appear in American health care. No one, whatever their motives or goals, should ever be allowed to suggest that those who provide care in hospices do so in a way that does anything other than put the control of pain and the maintenance of human dignity at the forefront.
By Arthur Caplan
Bioethicist at University of Pennsylvania
MSNBC
posted on March 31, 2005 01:35:23 PM new
Thanks, Helen. Unfortunately, I don't think it will matter what the autopsy says about her condition. There will still be those people who believe that given a few more years, she would go home happy and healthy and will still blame her husband for her death.
posted on March 31, 2005 02:08:06 PM new"... the opportunities to exploit this situation for their own personal or political beliefs."
I agree. It's the angels against the devils instead of upholding this girl's wishes. Only good people wanted her to live. I wonder if any of these pro-life-against-your-will protesters were non-religious?
posted on March 31, 2005 02:25:39 PM new
No, but Cheryl maybe if they would have started rehabilitation in the first stages everything would be different. He, after he got his million dollar settlement ended all of Terri Schiavo's ability to have help. At least he could have tried that but instead he didn't and I think that is when the problems started.
THERE WAS NOTHING TO REHAB. Her cerebral cortex was liquified. That is the center of who you are. It's the center that controls motor skills. It was gone. GONE! Her brain went without oxygen for more than 10 minutes. And, that's the very last time I'm going to make that statement to anyone because apparently it doesn't sink in.
Maybe the Coroner will be able to convince someone.
posted on March 31, 2005 02:48:35 PM new
Libra - If you are going to argue this case, please the available facts of it. She did go thru rehab, for several years after the heart attack and there was no improvement nor was there any reason to believe there would be since her cortex was destroyed.
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posted on March 31, 2005 02:55:55 PM new
Cheryl I am the one person you don't have to explain medical conditions to.
What you need to do is read for yourself and just see what transpired in the beginning stages of her treatment, well the treatment she didn't get. The treatment that was ordered, not done and stopped after he won his law suit.
And yes the doctors she talks about are in the webpages I listed.
posted on March 31, 2005 05:35:22 PM new
Libra, no thats not the one I got the info above on, but its an interesting page.
I don't know what happened here. I doubt anyone here REALLY knows.
Maybe she could have been rehabilitated, and maybe not.
Maybe the autopsy will show something we don't know, and maybe it won't.
We were all 'presented' by ALL media outlets on this case, day in and day out.
We can only speculate what is right and whats wrong.
In my humblest opinion, I think taking a feeding tube out, and not even giving water for her tongue and lips was extremely cruel. We treat those on death row like royalty compared to what happened to Terrie Schiavo.
posted on March 31, 2005 05:40:35 PM new
NTS, That George Felos, Michael Schiavos attorney ... he was on the news giving his lawyerly crock a spin - I had to shut it off.
But you see, since my father was a lawyer, I am highly qualified to give an opinion on him and can see for miles and miles when most of these guys start talking. And you know this Schiavo? I could also tell right away he was a Long Island guido control freak. My mother was a hair dresser and knew all about them. Perfect Perfect. Anything less is unacceptable. Probably had terri so tied up with her weight problem drove her right into this bulemia. But of course, the NYTimes will readily overlook that in their stories.
posted on March 31, 2005 05:46:28 PM new
Well then, answer me this? Where were her family and friends during all of this terrible abuse she was suffering at the hands of her horrible husband? Where were they if she was suffering from an eating disorder? Taking no action when you know someone is being abused is about as bad as abusing that person yourself.
posted on March 31, 2005 05:53:41 PM new
They probably didnt know, Cheryl. I surmise, and yes, this is only my gut feelings about it - but I think he and terri were on the beginning roads to trouble and their marriage would not have lasted.
edited to add: Maybe they didnt know the extent of it. Or if they did have a slight clue without really knowing, they might have took the position to allow them to work it out themselves. But I dont think her mother knew she developed bulemia.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Mar 31, 2005 05:56 PM ]
posted on March 31, 2005 09:43:42 PM new
Mr Felos, gave $1000,00 to the campaign of Mr Greer. They are friends.
"Through his attorney, Mr. Schiavo announced that after his wife’s life ends, he will delay the planned cremation of her body, and ask the Chief Medical Examiner of Pinellas County, Florida, to conduct a full autopsy on the cause of her now impending death"
Mr Schiavo, had no choice other than have his attorney make that announcement. Because The State of Florida has a law that when a body is to be cremated and the body has been suspected of being abused or attempted murder may been involved, it calls for a full autopsy to be performed.
posted on March 31, 2005 10:55:03 PM new
Fred - there is a big difference between suspicion of abuse and accusations of abuse with no physial evidence. He did have a choice. The state would not have come in and ordered one. Her parents probably would have sued but more than likely that would have been denied as well.
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