posted on May 15, 2005 04:24:20 AM newFox: Mexicans take jobs in U.S. 'not even blacks want'
May 15, 2005
BY MORGAN LEE
MEXICO CITY -- President Vicente Fox came under criticism Saturday after saying Mexicans were willing to take jobs ''that not even blacks want to do in the United States.''
Fox's remark Friday came a day after Mexico announced it would formally protest recent U.S. immigration reforms, including the decision to extend walls along the border and make it harder for illegal migrants to get driver's licenses.
''There's no doubt that the Mexican men and women -- full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work -- are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States,'' Fox said in Puerto Vallarta on Friday.
The Mexican newspaper Milenio cited ''Vicente Fox's racist comment'' in a small front-page headline, while the newspaper Reforma called the president's words ''controversial.''
The Rev. Jesse Jackson told CNN that the comments were ''unwitting, unnecessary and inappropriate.''
He said the president ''should not confuse the need for sound legal immigration policy between the two countries, which is important, and the border disputes between the two countries, with a spurious comparison.''
Mexico's foreign relations secretary, Luis Derbez, said Fox was not motivated by racism but was emphasizing that ''Mexican migrants are making great contributions in the United States and that their role is a positive role.''
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Personally I think its insulting to blacks and hispanics alike. But is the implication Mexicans are lowest on the food chain? If so, didnt he forget to say 'illegal mexicans?"
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posted on May 15, 2005 04:40:31 AM new
What a terribly insulting comment for the president of any country to make. It doesn't sound like he realizes he's also insulting hispanics.
posted on May 15, 2005 04:49:12 AM new
Many moons ago, I used to date a Cuban guy. And as we'd ride around, he joke and laugh and say haha! look at all the refugees standing around! And I'd tsk and say thats not right you saying that. His parents didnt speak alot of English, but they made their way, okay. He was born here and had no illusions about how American he was...so he'd laugh and poke fun, but I wonder how'd he feel about it now as a grownup?
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posted on May 15, 2005 05:11:27 AM new
This is going to be a not-so-liberal thing for me to say, but living in the inner city like I do, I see first hand many people of all races turning down jobs that they feel are beneath them. I've heard them say that very thing. "I'd rather live on welfare than work at McDonald's" or "I'll live on my unemployment until it runs out". Okay, then what? Sure, the available jobs here pay a fraction of what the old ones did, but if I can take one of these jobs so can they. When you are out of work and have a family to support a job is a job is a job. Around here we have to face the fact that the manufacturing jobs are gone and gone for good. So, unless you plan to live in a cardboard box the rest of your life you have to take what you can get. Now, this only pertains to a small number of people living here that are unemployed. A good number of people are leaving the state to find work elsewhere or are working those minimum wage jobs. A good number of people are so uneducated that even a job at McDonald's seems like a dream. Our educational system is a total failure. Then there are those that are so conditioned to living off the welfare system that they don't feel they can ever do better for themselves and no one tells them that they can. It's a vicious cycle.
NASA is laying off people here. The federal government is laying off 1,000 people here in Cleveland (guess Bush doesn't need Ohio anymore). Military bases here are closing and that will effect numerous employers in the area. The automobile manufacturers are laying off people here. The situation is dire.
Sure, there is no comparing a job with the federal government with a job at McDonald's, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do even if it means taking two or three jobs that make up for that one. It's either that or move.
Whose more to blame for the illegal immigrant problem here? The illegal immigrant who is trying to put food on their family's table or the person who employs them in order to save on labor costs and taxes?
posted on May 15, 2005 05:32:12 AM new
I gotta run for a bit. But good post Cheryl. I think the one thing you said that stands out to me is: conditioned to...
I've worked menial jobs - and two & three at a time to keep up a lifestyle I wanted, so I know how that road goes. But honestly, I never last at those jobs because of how they treat people in those positions....I'll work hard, but I am not being a slave mule, or eat your asses humble pie, but so much. I dont think I am'/was conditioned for it. Thats why I am poor now...lol.
edit to add in case anybody misunderstands: It is because I chose to go without now, but I really dont do w/o too much because things are provided by somebody that loves me.(We partner for each other. Then again, he is working the 7 days a week and is most always tired when he gets home. I'm here posting to a message board days on end alone. - But who said life was easy, though, right?
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posted on May 15, 2005 06:25:08 AM new
Vincente, bushy's close personal friend, can shove it!
IF the Mexican people were "" full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work ""
they would demand livable wages.....
They would demand livable wages from VINCENTE FOX in MEXICO!
If he's so proud of his people why doesn't he give them jobs ???????????????????
Da "fox" says, ""''Mexican migrants are making great contributions in the United States and that their role is a positive role.''""
NO, they're NOT ...they're driving down wages.
America will not prosper by allowing in millions of people willing to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for crap wages......we will be the next Third World nation if this keeps up.
It isn't a matter of race...it's a matter of survival.
Does anyone think that as millions of immigrants flood into this country that the U.S gets bigger to accomodate them ???????
NO, we have the same amount of water and food and LAND! These resources are NOT endless but the stream of people to this country IS!
posted on May 15, 2005 11:53:15 AM new
Of course, Fox is going to be upset. We're making changes he doesn't like...and changes that will effect his Nation's major source of income [ approx 1/3 of the National funding]...money being sent from here to there.
He's also upset about the $82B bill our Congress just passed. Not only did it provide funding for our military...it's providing money for more border patrols. Then there's also the 'WALL' they and many American's don't want to see come about to keep his citizens out, illegally....don't want to see the drivers license restrictions, etc.
so....let him be upset, is my position.
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cheryl said: I see first hand many people of all races turning down jobs that they feel are beneath them. I've heard them say that very thing. "I'd rather live on welfare than work at McDonald's" or "I'll live on my unemployment until it runs out".
So have I and this is one thing that makes many American's unhappy and wanting/demanding changes.
When you are out of work and have a family to support a job is a job is a job.
lol...glad to see you stating what I have also said before. Except when I said it...I got BLASTED from the lefties here. But I do agree with your statement.
A good number of people are so uneducated that even a job at McDonald's seems like a dream.
Once again, I agree. And put the blame where it belongs...at THEIR feet. They have the same opportunity every other American has....they just chose not to take advantage of it. Then they end up in this position.
Our educational system is a total failure.
Again I agree....but also recognize it's not because we haven't thrown enough money into that deep, deep hole. But now, I'm hopeful that with 'accountability' being the new name of the game...down the road in a few years we'll see a vast improvement. If we don't...then for my grandchildren's generation...I'd vote eliminating the whole Educational system and for privatizing the whole shabang. Give those same funds to private schools, WHO ARE ENJOYING successful, achieving students and let more end up able to support themselves in better positions than at WM or McD's.
[i]Then there are those that are so conditioned to living off the welfare system that they don't feel they can ever do better for themselves and no one tells them that they can. It's a vicious cycle[i].
Yep...but as far as welfare goes...the republican congress, und clinton, DID make MAJOR changes in our welfare system. And all the dire predictions from the left didn't pan out.
Military bases here are closing and that will effect numerous employers in the area.
Which bases have been closed in your area in the past 5 years? I'd be curious to know. The base closings now being SUGGESTED have not been approved. It's just Rumsfeld's recommendations at this point. And bases aren't set up as a means to improve employment in any area in the US. Also, sometimes when bases are closed, just as in the private sector, the affected area prospers from what they're used for...that, on occassion, help the employment issue in a certain area to be IMPROVED MORE than it was when the base was there.
Then cheryl asks: Whose more to blame for the illegal immigrant problem here[i]? [i]The illegal immigrant who is trying to put food on their family's table or the person who employs them in order to save on labor costs and taxes?
Both...but if you whose MORE to blame...the one's who entered our country illegally. IF all who wanted to, as you say, 'put food on the table' were allowed to come here ILLEGALLY....then we wouldn't need ANY immigration department/funding at all. Just shut down the whole department...and let anyone and everyone who wants to come in do so. Of course, that's not the way it works the best....but you can't favor some from certain countries - allowing them to enter illegally - while putting quotas on other countries - a starving person/family is a starving person/family no matter where they're coming from.
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posted on May 15, 2005 02:40:14 PM new
I think you guys may be ignoring the fact that in Fox, we hada Mexican leader that we could work with and that was more than willing to work with us but then we ignored him for four years, we went back on every commitment that we made to him and in so doing we pretty much insured that his party will not be reelected and that no Mexican politician is going to count on any of our promises anytime soon. You can curse Fox all you want but I think it shows a rather astounding lack of memory for what came before him and a general ignorance of what will come when his term is over.
As for his comment. How exactly is it racist? It's true. How many blacks do you see harvesting crops? It may not be nice. It may not be politically correct but I think you are going to be hard put to say that it is not true.
BTW - Crow - How exactly does one go about demanding higher wages from an employer that has no money? Do ever bother to encorporate actual economics, or reality for that matter, into your rants?
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posted on May 15, 2005 03:12:24 PM new
" Do ever bother to encorporate actual economics, or reality for that matter, into your rants? "
ROFLMAO!!.....oh excuse me, I thought that was a joke.
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I for one haven't forgotten. But I also don't agree with your blame being put upon our country alone.
The drugs coming up from Mexico...hasn't decreased much.
The illegals are coming in reportedly bigger numbers than ever before....AND the Mexican government has ISSUED a booklet, informing the Mexicans just how to get into our country illegally. For THAT your Fox, has much responsibility to take.
And on our promises to Fox. Are YOU ignoring/not remembering that a little incident happened that took our National priorities in a different direction? [9-11 and HLS].
And on whether it's a racist statement or not...I believe it is. As he singled out only ONE group of people in our county....blacks. Not too PC for the PC crowd. When there are several groups that won't/don't do such hard labor either: ie: our teens - who have the HIGHEST un-employment numbers when our monthly DoL numbers are mentioned, our Asias, our whites, our etc.
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posted on May 15, 2005 04:01:49 PM new
Linda - Teens have the highest unemployment stats? Based on what? Any teen that WANTS a job can find a job. It's pretty simple to find a minimum wage no experience neccesary job in the US today and that's as much as most teens need.
As for broken promises? Ignoring Mexico and Fox was cutting off our nose to spite our face. If we really want to control the borders, it takes an effort on both sides but when someone has repeated made promises to you and broken them, damaged your party politically, etcv... just how willing do you think they are going to be to work with you. It was short sited and arrogant. We want their help. We need their help. Are they supposed to commit just because we ask when we do not reciprocate?
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posted on May 15, 2005 04:15:48 PM new
Why do people come from Third World countries to the U.S.?
Because they are desperate, there are few jobs in their country and what jobs there are do not pay enough to live on.
Why is our country any different ? Do we really want to create more poor people by not paying them enough to live on ?
Do we, in the "greatest country in the world" really want to brag how anybody can get ahead by working longer and longer hours for less and less pay?
I will ignore the ignorant who say poor people are just lazy because that's just untrue...based in hatred and prejudice, not reality.
Now, even that rotten old bast+rd, Henry Ford, knew that if he wanted to sell cars he better pay his workers enough to BUY A CAR! DUH!
They also made enough to buy other things and the money was spread around and soon others could afford cars, too. Henry was a jerk , but a smart jerk.
He made money by paying decent wages.
Now, we are regressing....we are creating an over-crowded Third World country consisting of the very wealthy and the poor.
Not right this second but that is what we are evolving into.
I also see nothing to "smiley" about when it comes to Fox's highly racist statement about Blacks...unless , of course, you don't MIND racism, or think it's a joke..
posted on May 15, 2005 04:24:51 PM newTeens have the highest unemployment stats? Based on what?
You know how I post the DoL website each month to show the encouraging job growth numbers right? Well...they also have a page on there that shows which group has the highest unemployment rate...which their numbers are based on. Just like how many whites vs blacks are currently unemployed. Of course, they give other examples too...other comparisons of races, age groups, etc.
But the one I've always wondered why they even use at all....are teens. But the numbers they use that are quoted by all news sources DO include the % of teens BECAUSE they use the age of 15/16 for their stats. As long as I've been checking the DoL website out...teens have held the HIGHEST unemployment rates...then blacks...then I don't remember. But the teen group's unemployment rate is usually around 17%....blacks usually around 10 - 11% of their group.
Ignoring Mexico and Fox was cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Had 9-11 not come about...I might agree. But it did.
If we really want to control the borders, it takes an effort on both sides but when someone has repeated made promises to you and broken them, damaged your party politically, etc... just how willing do you think they are going to be to work with you.
And what I'm saying, fenix, is that TO ME, I don't see much effort on their part either...and they weren't attacked on 9-11 and have the aftermath of that to deal with.
You felt we, as a Nation, were at fault for not keeping our promises to N. Korea too. I just see it differently than you do in both of these cases. You place the fault on our country and just won't accept that there are reasons as to WHY we didn't/weren't able to....and I've tried to explain why I see were didn't or weren't about to follow through on our promises.
It was short sited and arrogant. We want their help. We need their help. Are they supposed to commit just because we ask when we do not reciprocate?
I don't agree. And we want their help? What to keep the drug flow coming? There help on getting MORE illegals into our country? There are other ways we can eliminate this border issue IF we could EVER get EITHER the dems or the republicans to do it. Put up that WALL...it has worked in Israel..it's work there. Get more border patrols on that border.
I think if nothing else seeing the positive results of having those MinuteMen on the AZ border...since it DID cut WAY down on illegals getting into our country. Since it worked ...we should finance MORE of just that. And we don't need Mexico's cooperation in keeping their soldiers off our property either. We have a military that could be sent to prevent that nonsense.
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posted on May 15, 2005 04:35:50 PM new
Linda_K its been a mission for Bush and the republican Congress to supply cheap labor for industry. That cheap labor has lowered the overall pay scale and taken jobs from the American worker. There has been laws on the books for years to stop the influx of millions of Mexican workers. Bush did nothing to enforce those laws.
Some Republicans keep saying farm jobs HA HA. I see Mexican workers working in construction,welding,auto repair,food service along with other jobs that were once jobs for Americans until the last 4 years.
Bush had 4 years to do something about our open southern border and did nothing but make broken campaign promises. We all remember his many broken promises.
Now that most of the damage has already been done Linda_K makes another feeble attempt to cover up for her failed leaders. Sorry Linda_K we all know its all about cheap labor nothing more and nothing less.
REMEMBER 4 YEARS OF NOTHING BUT BROKEN CAMPAIGN PROMISES ABOUT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. NOW EVERYDAY AMERICANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND ARE GUARDING OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. THE SAME AMERICANS BOTH BUSH AND FOX CALL VIGILANTES.
posted on May 15, 2005 05:00:39 PM new
Linda - you are right. We do see things differently. From my point of view, you don't allow people to walk over you or roll over just because they are more powerful or may have more influence. I don't think that you arise to a position of power by doing that. Same applies in politics. We wanted something of the North Koreans. We promised something in exchange. We reneged on the promise. Now, if we do not have to honor our end of the promise, why is it that you feel that they do? We made promises to Vincente Fox and his political party that would have been good for Mexico and good for the long term success of his party. We reneged on those promises. Now, why do they owe us? Politics, Business, Security, these are all two way streets.
Why is it that you feel that we owe Fox nothing but that Fox does owe us? The only people that any leader owes anything to, is to their own people. They cooperate with other countries when it is in the best interest of their own people. Fox working with us to stem the tide of illegal immigration was only beneficial when we were offering other things that were beneficial to his citizens. Once we took them off the table, then it ceased to become beneficial.
I think the difference between us when it comes to US foreign relations is that you see the situation from a "Patriotic" point of view. Basically - If it is good for the US it is good and therefore it should be done. I tend to look at things from a business point of view. Is it a good deal? Do both sides walk away with something. If not it's not a good deal and in the end, people do not honor a bad deal so what's the point? rather than creating something real, you are taking short term solice in a fairy tale but at the end of the day, you still have the same problem you started out with.
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posted on May 15, 2005 05:09:20 PM new
peepa - Instead of just whining again and again, over and over about the terrible republicans....
put your mouth to the test.
Make a list for all of us...your follower's here especially ...of all the democrats in our House of Reps...or our Senate...who are demanding we close up our Mexican border. NOW OR DURING THE CLINTON 8 years.
The dems don't want to close it up either...because all those poor people will vote for them and all the 'give-aways' they can get from them.
The dems encouage them to come illegally into this country....then vote for us...we'll give you all the freebe's you could ever dream of having.
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posted on May 15, 2005 05:34:29 PM new
Fenix03, since you brought it up; why isn't Fox doing anything to better his citizens? Other than complain about the US trying to keep his people down there.
Fox is failure as has every Mexican President since the turn of the 20th century. Disallowing foreign investment in his countries resources is not smart "business".
posted on May 15, 2005 05:37:04 PM newWe wanted something of the North Koreans. We promised something in exchange. We reneged on the promise. Now, if we do not have to honor our end of the promise, why is it that you feel that they do?
We wanted them to not continue/advance with their nuclear weapons program. What a terrible thing to want - try to accomplish - especially since it would make the WORLD safer.
But more importantly to me is seeing your [collective] belief that THEY didn't do a darn thing to CAUSE our seeing that THEY had broken THEIR agreement first. For some reason I often get the impression that no matter how much any country does to us...we're just to accept it...they lie...who cares...they don't live up to their agreements....who cares...BUT WE SHOULD. Nope...not according to Linda.
[i]We made promises to Vincente Fox and his political party that would have been good for Mexico and good for the long term success of his party. We reneged on those promises[i].
What promises, fenix, do you see we made and haven't kept? The legal 'green card' so they can come here and work and then return home? If so...this President HAS supported that, much to my dismay, but the Congress has been the one that held it back. AND they're representing THEIR constituents desires on the matter....as they should.
Now, why do they owe us? Politics, Business, Security, these are all two way streets.
Nope, I disagree. IF we wanted to we don't need their political agreement to do squat. Matter of fact their voting record proves they haven't supported THIS President in the World's political decision making process. They sided against us going to war. Maybe you can refresh my lacking memory on just WHERE they HAVE voted in the world arena that has been so very important to the US.
Security? Nope....they're not helping make our mutual border one bit more safe. Business....yes, since clinton signed the NAFTA agreement more business is going on between the States and Mexico now. I'll ask you just who NEEDS that business more...then or us. Who benefits from it more, then or US? And that business can still take place between our two nations....just with more verification of whose crossing our borders....and if they're doing so legally....on business.
Why is it that you feel that we owe Fox nothing but that Fox does owe us?
Where have I ever stated that? I've discussed how they can cooperate with us....and how they're not. But I've never stated we, the US, can't deal with this problems WITHOUT their help. We can do it alone....be there no question about that point please.
The only people that any leader owes anything to, is to their own people.
I agree. And therefore my point is made on why rather than encouraging the Mexicans to come here...they don't figure out a way to take care of their own. WE don't OWE them anything.
They cooperate with other countries when it is in the best interest of their own people.
As do ALL Nations .
Fox working with us to stem the tide of illegal immigration was only beneficial when we were offering other things that were beneficial to his citizens. Once we took them off the table, then it ceased to become beneficial.
Working with us? WHEN was THIS? The illegal immigration has been here for generations, fenix....it didn't just start under the Bush administration. Mexico, no matter it's leader has done LITTLE to keep them out of the US . BUT your FOX....has gone in an even further, radical direction...by having HIS government approved booklets on how to get into American illegally.
I think the difference between us when it comes to US foreign relations is that you see the situation from a "Patriotic" point of view.
IF Patriotic point of view....what's in the best interests of MY country...then yes. You, yourself mentioned about ALL countries do that. And yet somehow it appears to be that some American's don't think we should opperate that way. They appear to think because we're so successful as a Nation we OWE others something. WE don't. And if we keep taking on all the illegal poor and uneducated of the world....we won't need to be worrying about it in a couple more generations either.
Basically - If it is good for the US it is good and therefore it should be done. I tend to look at things from a business point of view. Is it a good deal? Do both sides walk away with something. And I don't see your position as being any different than what MOST in our Congress strive to do. What's best for us...business wise. Like free trade...like opening up CAFTA to South American...rather than have them all show up here on our door-steps too.
If not it's not a good deal and in the end, people do not honor a bad deal so what's the point? rather than creating something real, you are taking short term solice in a fairy tale but at the end of the day, you still have the same problem you started out with.
Again, I disagree. We do not have to accept your theory that we'll still have the same problem.....we're just saying it can be solved differently than it presently is being handled.
Had this not been another problem our Nation has faced for generations with Mexico.....had this invasion ever stopped....had the amnisty programs offering legal citizenship to all those who already had entered...EVER worked...I might say your position might come true. But it hasn't.
So....unless you support totally open borders....and maybe you do, I haven't read you say whether you do or not....then we're going to have to lock them up.
Ten to eleven million illegals should be quite enough to handle all those jobs the left says Americans don't want/won't do....so we already have enough.
And the right won't force anyone who has no job to take one of these jobs before[ they pay them from someone else's hard earned money....then I say Mexico is helping with nothing....just costing American's more jobs...more money...and they get better medical care than hard working American's do. Nope...
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posted on May 15, 2005 06:00:19 PM new
::Fox is failure as has every Mexican President since the turn of the 20th century. Disallowing foreign investment in his countries resources is not smart "business".::
I assume you are referring to the US government offering an increase in visa allocations in return for partial ownership of their oil company. How is it good business to sell off part of one your largest sources of income to one one of your largest buyers. I'd be curious to learn how giving up long term revenue pipelines is a positive financial move.
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posted on May 15, 2005 06:09:29 PM new
::Working with us? WHEN was THIS? The illegal immigration has been here for generations, fenix....::
My point was that it never got started. Fox was only in office less than a year when 9/11 hit and if you remember, as major sumit between the leaders to work on immigration issues was canceled as a result and we barely spoke to him again for nearly three years... ironically just in time for our presidential campaigns.
::BUT your FOX....has gone in an even further, radical direction...by having HIS government approved booklets on how to get into American illegally.::
You are right,. I think it was a not so subtle "kiss my ass". I wonder if if the tables were turned if we wouldn't do something similar.
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posted on May 15, 2005 07:21:45 PM newFox was only in office less than a year when 9/11 hit and if you remember, as major sumit between the leaders to work on immigration issues was canceled as a result and we barely spoke to him again for nearly three years..
since you remember than I'm sure you also remember that the reason why was Fox wouldn't support our war. But...I understand...the American International's here think America should do something for those who kick us in the teeth. Cause....somehow WE need them. lol Not so,imo. Fox made the first unsupportative move...but of course, we're expected to kiss up to them. wrong.
::BUT your FOX....has gone in an even further, radical direction...by having HIS government approved booklets on how to get into American illegally.::
You are right,. I think it was a not so subtle "kiss my ass". I wonder if if the tables were turned if we wouldn't do something similar.
We DID fenix....we didn't meet with him for the three years you mentioned. fair is fair...but I support MY country's side. Unlike many of the Internationalists that think OTHER countries should be calling the shots about how and what America SHOULD do. That was just one more reason I was against a kerry presidency. he'd sell this country out in a NY minute had he been given the chance. But he wasn't...and for that I'm daily thankful.
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posted on May 15, 2005 07:56:38 PM new
::We DID fenix....we didn't meet with him for the three years you mentioned.::
Linda - you are going to have to make up your mind. First you stated that we did not meet with Mexico because we had more important issues on our mind. Now you state that it's because of the exactly issues that the meetings were supposed to help get under control.
As for not needing Mexico - I assume that you will then stop complaining that the Mexican government will not help control there border, will soon be trading all of your TV and computer monitors in for Zeniths, and will never refrain from purchasing Volkswagens and Toyotas in the future.
As for your kissing up comment... when exactly did working in cooperation with and kissing up become synonymous?
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posted on May 15, 2005 08:13:25 PM new
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you are going to have to make up your mind. First you stated that we did not meet with Mexico because we had more important issues on our mind. Now you state that it's because of the exactly issues that the meetings were supposed to help get under control.
Doesn't have to be one or the other. Fox didn't support us...so we didn't give his concerns TOP priority on our list.
As for not needing Mexico - I assume that you will then stop complaining that the Mexican government will not help control there border, will soon be trading all of your TV and computer monitors in for Zeniths, and will never refrain from purchasing Volkswagens and Toyotas in the future.
lol.....have you not noticed, fenix, CHINA is taking a ton of work AWAY from Mexican workers. Soon they're could be nothing they have to offer us. One never knows. lol
As for your kissing up comment...
now, now fenix, I was just using that 'term' because YOU DID.
when exactly did working in cooperation with and kissing up become synonymous?
Like I said.... I don't SEE where Mexico is 'working with us' on much of anything important to our security needs, fenix. Nothing else matters as much as that, imo.
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:18:37 PM newThe drugs coming up from Mexico...hasn't decreased much.
Nor will they, as long as there's a market here. Don't you figure if Americans weren't buying, smugglers would go elsewhere? Can't blame our drug problem on others Linda, we're the ones waving money to buy them. Simple supply and demand, Capitalism at it's purest, the American Way.
The illegals are coming in reportedly bigger numbers than ever before....AND the Mexican government has ISSUED a booklet, informing the Mexicans just how to get into our country illegally. For THAT your Fox, has much responsibility to take.
You haven't seen this book, and you don't know what it says. You're mistaken. I have. It's a comic book supplement. It offers advice on staying alive, avoiding dehydration. It gives really devious, sneaky advice like "If you are determined to cross the Camino del Diablo, be sure to take enough water, wear long sleeved shirts and a hat." It categorically does not inform Mexicans "just how to get into our country illegally.
You're just plain wrong.
edited to fix Linda's second quote.
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[ edited by profe51 on May 15, 2005 09:20 PM ]
When there are several groups that won't/don't do such hard labor either: ie: our teens - who have the HIGHEST un-employment numbers when our monthly DoL numbers are mentioned, our Asias, our whites, our etc. 