posted on May 19, 2005 08:45:01 AM new
A poll from Peepas favorite source, guess he didn't post it because it didn't advance his agenda.
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Media watchdog wants cash for victims to make magazine's retraction 'sincere'
As fallout continues from Newsweek's retracted report about a Quran flushed down a toilet where Muslim terror suspects are held, a new online poll by users of America Online shows most feel the magazine's story is worse than last year's fabricated-documents fiasco by CBS News.
With more than 58,000 respondents in the unscientific survey, 60 percent of AOL users said Newsweek deserves more criticism than CBS, which used phony documents to put President Bush's National Guard service in a negative light.
Though CBS News management originally stood by the authenticity of its documents, network anchor Dan Rather finally issued an on-air apology for the broadcast, claiming the network had been "misled."
In the AOL poll, users were asked, "Which organization handled the post-report fallout better?" The answer was nearly split down the middle, with 51 percent saying CBS, and 49 percent saying Newsweek.
As far as Newsweek's post-report response, a large majority – 63 percent – rated it "poor." Sixteen percent called it "fair," 12 percent said it was "good" and 10 percent believe it was "excellent."
"This is just like the CBS scandal," writes one poll participant in an associated messageboard. "The real question is why the Muslims didn't get this upset by any of the previous stories telling of desecrations to the Quran. The rest of the media won't look at that. They'll feed on the flesh of wounded competition – and America will be less informed because of it."
Others took direct aim at Michael Isikoff, one of the Newsweek reporters who wrote the blurb about the Quran in the toilet, which sparked violent protests in the Mideast and Asia, leading to at least 15 deaths.
"Writing a story based on lies and innuendo and unproven 'facts' is not journalism and is not doing his job," said Jennifer Combs of Silverton, Ore. "Inciting riots is criminal and he ought to be doing a nice long jail sentence along with his editors who allowed the story to go to press!"
Jeffery S. Richardson, an attorney in Tallahassee, Fla., wrote:
Congress needs to subpoena Mr. Isikoff, and if necessary, raid his offices and put him in the can until we find out his source. The First Amendment gives you the right to say what you will, but it does not relieve you of responsibility for what you say. Neither does the law provide a special 'reporter' protection from our common duty to provide testimony and evidence. This is a very important issue and we need to make haste in showing the Muslim world that we have investigated this matter fully. It is also important that Newsweek accept responsibility for [its] error in judgment and its predictable results, and make amends to those people that their error affected.
Others think the news magazine is getting a bad rap.
"Pointing the finger at Newsweek is like blaming the gas-gauge when the car runs out of gas," wrote a poster from northern Florida. "Who is responsible and who can be confronted, are the 'better questions.'"
"Newsweek may have erred causing increased Moslem ire," writes Ron Field, "but what about this administration which erred or lied on [weapons of mass destruction] and which has resulted in an ongoing war that has resulted in the deaths of thousands?"
Isikoff, meanwhile, is vowing to continue digging into the controversy, telling Newsday, "We are continuing to investigate what remains a very murky situation. It's not like us or them [the Pentagon] have gotten to the bottom of this."
Referring to the violent protests, Isikoff said, "Things turned out horribly, but it was unforeseen. A very strange set of circumstances led to a very horrible chain of events. And we all feel terrible about it."
But the veteran journalist, noted for his chronicling of former President Bill Clinton's sexual affair with intern Monica Lewinsky, is also defending his reporting on the toilet story.
He told Newsday a top Pentagon official did not dispute the Quran charge when shown the story before publication.
"If it was wrong, why didn't you [Pentagon officials] demand a correction right away?" Isikoff said. "... They didn't say a word until 11 days after the piece ran, when rioting had begun."
The AOL poll also asked its users: "Will this cause long-term damage to American-Islamic relations?"
With more than 132,000 people voting on that question, almost three out of four respondents – 73 percent – said yes.
With that in mind, the media-watchdog group Accuracy in Media is calling on the Washington Post Company, which owns Newsweek, to compensate the victims of the violence caused by its story and help pay to rebuild properties that were destroyed.
"This goodwill gesture would help show that the Newsweek correction, apology and retraction are sincere," said AIM editor Cliff Kincaid.
AOL also asked to rate the Bush administration's post-Newsweek report response.
Thirty-five percent voted "poor," 24 percent said "good," 23 percent called it "excellent" and 18 percent responded "fair."
posted on May 19, 2005 09:05:39 AM new
This is always what gets me the most. Do something like this and then TRY to blame the Pentagon...rather than just acting like a man and accepting HIS responsibility for HIS lack of verification.
also defending his reporting on the toilet story.
He told Newsday a top Pentagon official did not dispute the Quran charge when shown the story before publication.
Oh pray....did he give the NAME of this supposed Pentagon official...or is this like his OTHER, so called, anonymous source that got him into this trouble in the first place?
Still me mentions the Pentagon did nothing for 11 days. Gee...wonder why...probably because they were investigating a ton of 'left-wing' charges made against our Country's actions.
It was HIS responsibilty to verify his story...BEFORE causing this problem...just like ratherbiased.. No...blame it on someone else who WAS investigating HIS accusations during this same 11 days.
"If it was wrong, why didn't you [Pentagon officials] demand a correction right away?" Isikoff said. "... They didn't say a word until 11 days after the piece ran, when rioting had begun."
I like the suggestion that 'weaknews' AND Isikoff pay for the damage they've caused.
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posted on May 19, 2005 09:13:17 AM new
This is an important subject as its becoming increasingly more difficult to rely on the news media as a whole for accurate reporting. From the Jayson Blair scandal at the NY Times, similar scandals at the USA Today, to the Dan Rather incident and now Newsweek - it begs the question "what bogus reporting has gone unnoticed?"
In response to the Newsweek incident we canceled our subscription two days ago. The nice lady on the phone who processed the cancelation asked why were canceling. I responded, "do you really need to ask that?" To which she replied, "the same reason as everyone else I assume." Uh huh.
posted on May 19, 2005 09:21:36 AM new
Isn't the prime function of "reporters" to "report the news" and not to "incite" it????
Seems to me as if the opposite is becoming the norm for the MSM.
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When Liberalism and Physics Collide
Written by Matthew Holmes
Thursday, May 19, 2005
Finally, liberals have a slogan that A) rhymes and B) is actually true: "Newsweek Lied, People Died!"
So you can imagine my surprise to find out conservatives are the only ones saying it.
Where's the liberal outrage over the deaths of at least 17 innocent people, thanks to the bogus Newsweek report that American interrogators flushed copies of the Koran down the toilet?
Where are the scores of foul-smelling leftist hippies screeching, "Newsweek Lied, People Died!?"
Newsweek has since retracted the story after a 5 year-old child demonstrated for them the impossibility of flushing any kind of book down the toilet.
Now, the magazine claims to have made a simple mistake. Not real comforting to the families of the dead.
I have heard a lot of BS in my interaction with the Left, but the idea that a major magazine publication like Newsweek does not know it's impossible to flush a book down a toilet takes the cake.
Seriously, try flushing any book down the toilet and see what happens.
For example: My Life, by Bill Clinton is so thick, it won't even fit in the bowl. It Takes A Village might smell better than it did before you flushed, but alas, it still rises back to the top. Michael Moore's Stupid White Men is also a stubborn floater.
Which basically leaves two theories about why Newsweek actually bought this lie.
One, the magazine has some kind of Tim “The Tool Man" Taylor Super-Toilet, complete with its own internal combustion engine and capable of devouring any book their editors disagree with.
In that case, Newsweek's septic tank is likely filled with copies of the Constitution, the Holy Bible, and the complete works of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh--all victims of this mutant, ‘Super Toilet.’
I can hear the promo now: "Our toilet slices, our toilet dices, our toilet even makes Julian Fries!
I demand to see the toilet capable of devouring an entire book. In fact, I would buy a copy of Dude, Where's My Country?, just to watch it go down the pot.
Of course, the more likely explanation is that Newsweek—like a toilet with remnants of My Life and Stupid White Men floating in the bowl—is simply full of crap.
I know how much a lot of liberals hate America. I know liberals who would trade thousands of American lives just to be able to defeat President Bush on any given issue.
But it’s still hard to believe that in a time of war it would be so important to cast America in an evil light, that an American magazine would knowingly publish a lie that would anger even the most self-respecting Muslim?
Liberals can't seem to get it through their heads that Muslims in the Middle East aren't like Christians in America. Muslims don't stand for people assaulting their religion. While Christians constantly allow their right to religious freedom to be challenged, Muslims will fight to the death over such things.
Militant Islam never turns the other cheek.
The editors and staff at Newsweek have earned an all-expense paid trip to Guantanamo Bay, where interrogators should give them hourly demonstrations of what actually happens when garbage gets flushed down the toilet.
posted on May 19, 2005 09:25:21 AM new
""This is an important subject as its becoming increasingly more difficult to rely on the news media as a whole for accurate reporting.""
Yup, especially when the bush administration PAYS people in the news media to present something as fact when it's not. Armstrong Williams among others.
What subscription do you cancel when the world finds out about the BUSH APPROVED torture in Iraqi prisons ????
[ edited by crowfarm on May 19, 2005 09:26 AM ]
posted on May 19, 2005 09:27:50 AM new
Bear, if you read up on this reporter, he is supposedly a real straight up old timer type.
What I dont understand is how THEY have so LITTLE understanding of what were dealing with here that they didnt think that would cause the raucous ferver it did. ??
posted on May 19, 2005 09:33:53 AM new
I've been reading that MANY are doing just as you did, fiset. Cancelling....and not just individual subscribers either.
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It's ALL about being first with the story...get those $$...whether they inflame anti-Americanism around the world...isn't as important as to them as that. And most likely why we're seeing more and more American's TURN FROM the main-stream media...to other, more trust-worthy sources.
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Also, wanted to share this information about the Pentagon's policy...established earlier in regards to the Koran.
U.S. Long Had Memo on Handling of Koran
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff WriterTuesday, May 17, 2005; Page A03
More than two years ago, the Pentagon issued detailed rules for handling the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, requiring U.S. personnel to ensure that the holy book is not placed in "offensive areas such as the floor, near the toilet or sink, near the feet, or dirty/wet areas."
The three-page memorandum, dated Jan. 19, 2003, says that only Muslim chaplains and Muslim interpreters can handle the holy book, and only after putting on clean gloves in full view of detainees.
The detailed rules require U.S. Muslim personnel to use both hands when touching the Koran to signal "respect and reverence," and specify that the right hand be the primary one used to manipulate any part of the book "due to cultural associations with the left hand." The Koran should be treated like a "fragile piece of delicate art," it says.
The memo, written a year after the first detainees were brought to Guantanamo from Afghanistan, reflects what U.S. officials said was a specific policy on handling the Koran, one of the most sensitive issues to Muslims. The Pentagon does not have a similar policy regarding any other major religious book and takes "extra precautions" on the Muslim holy book, officials said.
"They're not supposed to in any way disrespect or desecrate the Koran, and there are a very specific set of rules the military has on handling the Koran," State Department spokesman Richard A. Boucher said yesterday. "We made it clear that our practices and our policies are completely different" from allegations in a Newsweek article that the magazine formally retracted yesterday.
The Newsweek report said that U.S. military investigators had confirmed that a U.S. interrogator at Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet.
The Pentagon memo, among other directives, barred military police from touching the Koran. If a copy of the book was to be moved from a cell, the memo said, it must be placed on a "clean, dry detainee towel" and then wrapped without turning it over at any time. Muslim chaplains must then ensure that it is not placed in any offensive area while transported.
In an effort at damage control, the State Department transmitted the Newsweek retraction to all U.S. embassies in Islamic countries yesterday along with statements by top Bush administration officials about U.S. respect for the Koran.
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posted on May 19, 2005 10:10:30 AM new
I remember the Armstrong Williams incident CRAW, I was helping George clear brush in Crawford when Armstrong approached & I saw George pull out his personal check book & wrote him a check.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
[ edited by Bear1949 on May 19, 2005 10:14 AM ]
posted on May 19, 2005 10:21:15 AM new
Not exactly sure what you're referring to, dbl.
You mean weaknews? If so...yes...more than a little too late. The damage has been done.
BUT since Newsweek refuses to accept his resignation...that still says a lot to me.
ie: It's still their agenda to bash Bush...blame him for everything, etc. they deal with the consequences later.
I made a statement here, after we had invaded Iraq, stating the harm I saw those on the left were doing both to our Nation and our soldiers by their support and actions against what we were taking.
The lefties about run me off the board. They don't see how their actions, any actions that encourage more hatred towards the US hurts anything. They're, imo, blinded to the fact that it aids and abets our enemies...and makes it much harder for our soldiers stationed in Iraq. Like it's more important to make this President look bad that to stand by their own country.
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posted on May 19, 2005 10:33:06 AM newThe damage has been done.
Yes, thats what I meant, Linda.
I think, the Arabs, (for lack of a better catch-all) are just re-avowed the U.S. has no respect for them or their God. It's not going to fair well over there anytime soon. The whole Allah thing is at the very crux of their actions. Just my opinion.
Last week, Newsweek published a story claiming U.S. interrogators were desecrating the Quran by tearing it up and flushing it down the toilet.
Predictably, the story sparked protests across the Islamic world. In Afghanistan, at least 17 people died and more than 100 were injured. And this is just the beginning. Muslim clerics, who search for opportunities to fan the flames of hatred toward the United States, leaped on this "gift" from the liberal U.S. media.
It was the worst street violence the country has seen since U.S. troops ousted the Taliban in 2001. Newsweek issued what it called an "apology." It admitted its source was wrong, and said it regretted putting U.S. troops in harm's way. It offered its sympathy to the victims.
It makes me wonder. Even if the story were accurate, it would have still caused the same riots. It would still have inevitably put U.S. troops in harm's way. So would Newsweek still "regret" the results?
The chief spokesman at the Pentagon, Lawrence Di Rita, called the apology "very tepid and qualified." He told a news conference, "Newsweek reported something that was factually inaccurate on several points. It's demonstrably wrong, and Newsweek has acknowledged that. But they have not retracted it, and have tried instead to water it down." Di Rita added, "They printed a story based on an erroneous source or sources that was demonstrably false and that resulted in riots in which people were killed. I don't know how else to parse it."
Another Pentagon spokesman, Byran Whitman, issued a statement. In it, he said, "Newsweek hid behind anonymous sources, which by their own admission do not withstand scrutiny. Unfortunately, they cannot retract the damage they have done to this nation or those that were viciously attacked by those false allegations."
Newsweek explained why they ran the story, saying, "There had been previous reports about the Quran being defiled, but they always seemed to be rumors or allegations made by sources without evidence. The fact that a knowledgeable source within the U.S. government was telling us the government itself had knowledge of this was newsworthy."
And the fact that the source was wrong is evidently merely inconvenient. Especially after Newsweek editor Mark Whitaker insisted the magazine would not make any retraction.
He said in an interview that no disciplinary action would be considered against the reporters. Whittaker's extension of sympathies is transparently meaningless public-relations doublespeak. It's "apology" left readers with the distinct impression that the only thing wrong with the story was that Newsweek couldn't absolutely prove it, not that it didn't happen. It sounds like the Dan Rather defense. Except in this story, people died.
All the retractions in the world, even if they are made, will not quench the fires of fanaticism this irresponsible report has ignited. The Muslim street is already predisposed to believe the most outrageous lies about the United States anyway. Now our own media has given them a choice excuse to hate us more.
Whenever a person throws gasoline on a fire that is already threatening people's lives, we arrest them. Isn't this exactly what Newsweek has done?
posted on May 19, 2005 11:33:46 AM newThere was no war before the Newsweek article.
Is anyone saying otherwise? As far as I'm concerned, the Newsweek flub is just the latest in mainstream media mistakes, which now seem to be coming to light at a rather alarming rate.
posted on May 19, 2005 11:46:37 AM new
dbl - I agree too. The ME hated the US long before this incident. It's just fanned the flame of their hatred towards us.
And while they are so concerned, outraged about what they perceive to be mistreatment of their Koran, I doubt they'd have any respect for say our Bibles...nor allowing for the religious differences like we do in the states. It's their way or 'off with your heads'.
But the bottom line is they need no excuse for their hatred of our country...they need no excuse to believe ANY story of wrongdoing on our part - whether truthful or not. But why some American's try to inflame that hatred towards their own country...is far beyond my ability to comprehend.
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posted on May 19, 2005 12:01:41 PM new
But why some Americans try to inflame that hatred by approving of torture is beyond my comprehension...well, not really....sadists and terrorists are sadists and terrorists no matter what country they come from.
posted on May 19, 2005 02:37:08 PM new
Hey Crow what hypocrites Bear and this bunch are. No one could ask for a bigger bunch of PHONIES. Using a INTERNET poll after most of them giving me all their crap about AOL polls. Plus this bunch has no room to talk about made up stories and the harm made up stories do after what their leaders have and still are telling the American people.
The next time I show a AOL POLL I sure don't want Bear or any of you republicans saying a word about AOL OR INTERNET polls again you BUNCH OF PHONIES.
I might be a lot of things you people don't like but I sure as Hell am not a PHONY.
posted on May 19, 2005 07:38:37 PM new
Yes Libra63 you just joined your sister Linda_K's crowd on this one.
Bear said "A poll from Peepas favorite source, guess he didn't post it because it didn't advance his agenda."
Guess what I don't have to try to advance an agenda on this post from Bear and all you republicans that replied. You all have advanced my agenda for me very nicely.
posted on May 19, 2005 08:06:52 PM new
Peepa, there is a new song on the country charts that really expresses my concern over your opinion of me. In case you missed it, its titled "My Give a Dam's busted".
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on May 19, 2005 08:32:42 PM new
Hey Bear, your are right you need not worry about what I think of people like you and your failed leaders. What you need to worry about is the ever increasing number of Americans that aren't thinking very fondly of people like you and your leaders.
BTW please see the latest article posted on AOL about the Iraq war. The same war you guys were all saying was going so well just a few weeks ago. I am also very disappointed about this news. I was hoping what your leaders were saying was true for once. Just a few weeks ago Americans were being told we could soon withdraw American troops from Iraq.
From AOL NEWS
Senior Iraq Oil Ministry Official Shot Dead
By Ahmed Seif, Reuters
BAGHDAD (May 19) - Gunmen killed an Oil Ministry official on Thursday and escalating violence claimed at least 18 more lives, fueling fears Iraq may be moving toward civil war.
Reuters
Residents view the damage after a car bomb attack in Baquba, Iraq. Two policemen were killed.
The oil official, Ali Hameed, was shot outside his home as he left for work, a police official said.
Mainly Sunni Muslim insurgents have stepped up attacks on officials and security forces since a Shiite-led government was announced last month. They have killed more than 500 people in a campaign that has challenged government promises of stability.
In the worst violence on Thursday, seven people were killed in clashes in the northern city of Mosul after insurgents attacked the house of a local Sunni Muslim politician, witnesses and hospital officials said.
The politician, Fawwaz al-Jarba, said his driver and three guards were among the dead. He said U.S. troops backed by helicopters responded to his request for help.
In Baghdad, a university professor was shot dead, an Iraqi soldier was killed in a suicide bombing, and four other Iraqi soldiers were kidnapped. A roadside bomb also killed an American soldier in the capital, the U.S. military said.
The escalation in violence has raised concerns the country could erupt into a full-scale civil war. Discoveries of people killed execution-style and dumped at various sites -- 50 have been found since Saturday -- have stirred sectarian passions.
Most victims were Shiite Muslims but some were Sunnis.
Four more bodies were found on Thursday, this time just south of Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit. Police said they had been shot dead.
A funeral service was held for Muhammad al-Allaq, a Shiite cleric who was gunned down on Wednesday, relatives said.
Top Sunni cleric Harith al-Dhari has publicly accused the Badr Brigades, the militia of the main Shi'ite political party, of assassinating Sunni preachers.
It was the first time Dhari publicly accused the armed wing of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), which was part of the Shi'ite coalition that won a majority in parliament in the historic Jan. 30 elections.
Dhari's Muslim Clerics Association called for a three-day closure of Sunni mosques in protest at the killings and warned that Sunnis would not keep silent.
The top Badr Brigades official denied the accusations and said Sunnis and Shi'ites should avoid sectarian strife.
Shiite Arabs and Kurds, who dominate Iraq's parliament, have promised to give Sunni Arabs a key role in politics and in drafting a new constitution, even though the Sunni Arab minority won only 17 of parliament's 275 seats.
Sunni Arabs were the most powerful group in Iraq during Saddam Hussein's rule, but largely stayed away from the January elections and make up the backbone of the insurgency.
So far, most Shi'ites have heeded calls by moderate clerics to show restraint in the face of suicide bombings and insurgent attacks that have killed thousands. But the recent explosion of violence has raised questions over their patience.
In Mosul, hospital officials said two people were killed when a bomb exploded prematurely in the car they were driving on a suicide mission. In the northern town of Baiji, four soldiers from the Iraqi army were kidnapped at dawn.
Police said a roadside bomb killed two policemen in Baquba, and a police officer and his father were shot dead traveling in their car in Samarra.
Many of the deadliest attacks have been blamed on Al-Qaida's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who called for suicide attacks against U.S. forces to be stepped up in an audiotape message attributed to him on Wednesday.
He also defended the killing of "innocent Muslims" in suicide bombings, saying it was legitimate in a holy war.
Zarqawi's followers issued a new warning against Iraqi forces on Thursday in leaflets in Baiji, residents said.
"Leave your jobs within four hours otherwise you will get yourself killed," said the leaflets hung on mosques.
posted on May 19, 2005 08:56:44 PM new
Well...I'm still waiting for that list of democrats in our Congress who are calling for our withdrawl from Iraq. Still haven't seen that list of names yet. And since they just recently voted FOR more war funding...guess that pretty much says even kerry wants us to stay.
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posted on May 19, 2005 10:13:05 PM new
From CNN, an hour ago:
Red Cross warned U.S. over Quran
Allegations of mishandling preceded Pentagon guidelines
The International Committee of the Red Cross gathered "credible" reports about U.S. personnel at the Guantanamo Bay naval base disrespecting the Quran and raised the issue with the Pentagon several times, a group spokesman said Thursday.....
"The fact that ICRC documented these allegations, documented them and formalized them, I think makes a difference," Schorno said. "We researched them and found they were credible allegations."
Although Red Cross employees did not personally witness any mishandling of Qurans, Schorno said, they documented and corroborated enough reports from detainees to share them with Pentagon and Guantanamo officials in confidential reports.
Schorno said the Red Cross would not have raised the issue if it had been an isolated incident, but he would not offer specifics about the number of complaints.
"The very fact that we brought up the issue speaks for itself," he said. "We don't make such reports for minor problems."....continues
posted on May 20, 2005 12:55:34 AM new
Profe maybe you can explain this to me. Why are the Republicans making such a stink about this when they approved using torture?
Surely torture would inflame hatred against the U.S.???
posted on May 20, 2005 01:47:06 AM newAlthough Red Cross employees did not personally witness any mishandling of Qurans, Schorno said, they documented and corroborated enough reports from detainees to share them with Pentagon and Guantanamo officials in confidential reports.
AGAIN...SOME Americans who are MORE willing to accept the 'word' of our enemies, than those who represent OUR OWN country. For crying out loud...the RC didn't even witness this 'supposed crime'...but it is their job to take all reports so they can be investigated.
Could the lefties just give their own countrymen/soldiers the benefit of the doubt when our ENEMIES make these accusations ALL THE TIME. nope...doesn't appear so.
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The PRISONERS at Gitmo MAKE UP all kinds of phoney/false alligations about what's being done to them there. Some of their attorney's have claimed they're forced to have sex with dogs, that prostitutes bleed on them....their list goes on and on.
WHY? Because they're TRAINED to make these FALSE alligations....and some 'bleeding heart' liberals believe THEM over our own soldiers.
posted on May 20, 2005 05:57:14 AM new
Hello All, Since the Bush war in Iraq is so unpopular that the U.S. military can't meet their recruitment quota for 4 months back to back. Last month their quota was off by a wopping 41%
Since the Bush twins haven't been doing much since college. I think it would show their Dad how much they are behind him and his war if they signed up for a tour in Iraq.
posted on May 20, 2005 01:05:34 PM new
Bear if the cartoon is all you got its weak. It seems like all you guys got left is cartoons and fake posts like the one Linda_K disguised to look like it came from the AP and not some bull roar right wing web site.
Its been fun watching you guys go from boasting about Bush to your all out attempts (true or not) at trying to defend Bush in just over 100 days.
They don't see how their actions, any actions that encourage more hatred towards the US hurts anything. They're, imo, blinded to the fact that it aids and abets our enemies...and makes it much harder for our soldiers stationed in Iraq. Like it's more important to make this President look bad that to stand by their own country. 
